This is really going to take a bite out of Florida tag submissions.

good move, charlie. now he's a republican we can all, ahem, get behind.

FlashHarry: good move, charlie. now he's a republican we can all, ahem, get behind.

He's sane and has some good ideas. Which means the GOP will do everything they can to try and destroy him.

Cagey B: FlashHarry: good move, charlie. now he's a republican we can all, ahem, get behind.

He's sane and has some good ideas. Which means the GOP will do everything they can to try and destroy him.

At their own risk. I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but there are plenty of Florida Independents (and I dare say Democrats, too), that would give him serious consideration.

I kind of like this guy. Seems to make sane decisions. Why in the hell is he still a Republican?

clancifer: I kind of like this guy. Seems to make sane decisions. Why in the hell is he still a RepublicanPolitician?

FTFY

FlashHarry: good move, charlie. now he's a republican we can all, ahem, get behind.

Even Democrats can reach around the aisle and congratulate him.

So basically, they're trying to add tolerance to the zero-tolerance rules?

Zero-Tolerance: Decision making for idiots.

Cagey B: FlashHarry: good move, charlie. now he's a republican we can all, ahem, get behind.

He's sane and has some good ideas. Which means the GOP will do everything they can to try and destroy him.

They've already started. There's a good sized faction of the GOP that has already shunned him because he's agreed with Obama on a thing or two, which is tantamount to heresy.

As a kid who spent the early 1990s in central Florida watching kids get expelled for incredibly stupid reasons on a regular basis, all I have to say is it's about freaking time.

Good. Zero tolerance for kids is ridiculous.

which requires school boards to revise their zero-tolerance policies to ensure that students expelled or referred to law enforcement pose a serious threat to school safety, and are not expelled or arrested for petty misconduct

Oh, now you've done it, Charlie. These kids are going to be all hopped up an Advil and shooting each other with drawings of guns now.

First thing I thought of.

/thanks.

It makes me sad we have to legislate common sense BACK into law.

If Crist had gotten the VP nod instead of Palin, it would have been a very, very, very different race. I agree with the man on a good number of issues myself and I was holding my breath for him to be nominated. Palin just made me laugh my ass off. It's sad, really, because we need two strong parties.

Anyhow, I don't agree with him on a whole lot of stuff either, but I still remember a story about him just after he was elected - it was from some environmental groups dumbfounded that after he was elected - even though they campaigned against him - he opened his door to folks from both sides of the aisle and at least gave them a chance to say their piece if not work out compromises.

Freaking amazing. And it's sad, that that's freaking amazing.

Anyhow, well played, Crist. Keep your head above water and maybe the more rational folks in your party will finally beat down the dumbasses. I'm not holding my breath, but here's hoping.

/got detention in 9th grade for putting a blank floppy into a computer
//gotta love zero tolerance

Diogenes: This is really going to take a bite out of Florida tag submissions.

We just had a conversation last week about the Florida tag's appropriateness, and I concluded that only a "Hero" tag could trump it. Florida is an expression for "Fail + Appropriate Tag" and obviously there's no fail in this article. There is still plenty of fail to go around in the state, so we'll remain stocked on Fark.

Way to go, Florida lawmakers, for once.

StreetlightInTheGhetto: If Crist Anyone, select animals, or perhaps even some benign inanimate objects had gotten the VP nod instead of Palin, it would have been a very, very, very different race. I agree with the man on a good number of issues myself and I was holding my breath for him to be nominated. Palin just made me laugh my ass off. It's sad, really, because we need two strong parties.


a little FTFY but otherwise:
This

That kinda takes the "zero" out of zero tolerance, doesn't it?

Mrs. Lovejoy, what are your feelings on this issue?

Gov. Charlie Crist will visit Robert E. Lee Senior High School Wednesday, June 17, to sign Senate Bill 1540, which requires school boards to revise their zero-tolerance policies to ensure that students expelled or referred to law enforcement pose a serious threat to school safety, and are not expelled or arrested for petty misconduct.
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*claps*

I'm actually clapping for a republican governor. This doesn't happen often. Keep it up Crist!

Now if only he could do something about University budget cuts and loss of tax revenue in the State.

Well, Senate Republicans are already lining up to oppose him so don't plan on seeing him around for long. Which is too bad because he's a good guy.

Christ is a Governor now?! Is he heading up Alaska??

Never thought I would believe in Crist, way to go.

Great, now only the black students will get expelled

/okay maybe a little.

the far right will say he's making schools less safe and revert back to their "RINO" attacks.

The Rubio vs Crist battle should be fun

grinding_journalist: It makes me sad we have to legislate common sense BACK into law.

I hate to do this.... but...

THIS

Best piece ever written about zero tolerance policies:
Link (new window)

Jesus Crist

El saviiiiooorrr de Florida

Sooooo, the ONE SIZE FITS ALL concept doesn't work.

Nice to see the leaders of this nation finally figured out what we all knew all along!

Watching the gubernatorial debates, there was one point where I wanted to throw my TV. Crist was asked whether he agreed with and supported GW Bush and he said something to the effect of, "Of course I do. He's our leader."

I was pretty pissed when Crist won the election, but I must give credit where due. He's doing a decent job.

HotWingConspiracy: which requires school boards to revise their zero-tolerance policies to ensure that students expelled or referred to law enforcement pose a serious threat to school safety, and are not expelled or arrested for petty misconduct

Oh, now you've done it, Charlie. These kids are going to be all hopped up an Advil and shooting each other with drawings of guns now.

My keyboard got a misting... not a full soaking. Well played.

StreetlightInTheGhetto

/got detention in 9th grade for putting a blank floppy into a computer

What kind of rule led to that?

Governor Crist: soft on crime.

StreetlightInTheGhetto:
/got detention in 9th grade for putting a blank floppy into a computer
//gotta love zero tolerance

I didn't think you could fit a 3.5" in floppy in anything.

/I hate myself

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - Gov. Charlie Crist will visit Robert E. Lee Senior High School Wednesday


I remember seeing a REL HS in Tampa as well...it was in the ghetto.

ucfknights:

The Rubio vs Crist battle should be fun

Whose fish tacos are better? At least Crist's came with endless wine, though it did taste of iron.

StreetlightInTheGhetto:
/got detention in 9th grade for putting a blank floppy into a computer

I have you beat.

I got suspended when my mom came in to the office and picked me up and took me to the dentist for my appointment.

He's sane and has some good ideas. Which means the Democrat party will do everything they can to try and destroy him

Crist is letting these punks RUN WILD. They'll be bringing guns into school now. Kick this RINO out of our party. He coddles criminals. Charge these punks as adults.

John Henry Eden: Governor Crist: soft on crime.

Governist Crist: Soft on crime, hard on.

/Wishes it were Friday, already

tshetter: JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - Gov. Charlie Crist will visit Robert E. Lee Senior High School Wednesday


I remember seeing a REL HS in Tampa as well...it was in the ghetto.

according to my in-laws this one is in the ghetto as well.. *rolls eyes*

/lived 2 streets down ..Riverside is a lovely place to live

Let's not sing his praises too loudly... This is the same Governor that just created $2.2 billion in new taxes and signed a bill allowing developers free-rein to pave over what's left of Florida.

He was also just recently elected Governor and now he's planning a Senate run. Screw him.

ArrogantGod: StreetlightInTheGhetto:
/got detention in 9th grade for putting a blank floppy into a computer

I have you beat.

I got suspended when my mom came in to the office and picked me up and took me to the dentist for my appointment.

I got suspended because I left school during a bomb scare. Rather than wait outside in the snow for the school to be cleared, I went home with some friends.

/would do it again
//am not waiting for bombs

Crist is risen, indeed.

BunkoSquad: FlashHarry: good move, charlie. now he's a republican we can all, ahem, get behind.

Even Democrats can reach around the aisle and congratulate him.

"reach around" ?

MindStalker: BunkoSquad: FlashHarry: good move, charlie. now he's a republican we can all, ahem, get behind.

Even Democrats can reach around the aisle and congratulate him.

"reach around" ?

Seriously?

I hope he wins the sen. seat we need a Reb. that can take a wide stance on issues

Cagey B: He's sane and has some good ideas. Which means the GOP will do everything they can to try and destroy him.

really!
cause isnt zero tolerance one of those insane GOP ideas?
didnt reagan start that?

certainly, anyone in favor of zero tolerance should be between with sticks

/have no tolerance for these tards
/damnit ... get's in line

Where did these policies come from in the first place? The Federal Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994 required states receiving federal educational funds to adopt zero tolerance policies.

I don't know whether to thank Bill Clinton or Newt Gingrich for its passage.

discordium: grinding_journalist: It makes me sad we have to legislate common sense BACK into law.

I hate to do this.... but...

THIS

Triple THIS!

notmtwain: Where did these policies come from in the first place? The Federal Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994 required states receiving federal educational funds to adopt zero tolerance policies.

I don't know whether to thank Bill Clinton or Newt Gingrich for its passage.

Zero tolerance for guns I can agree with. Same for certain controlled substances. OTC, hell no.

canadianloon: First thing I thought of.

/thanks.

I must say I have zero tolerance for her wearing clothes.

canadianloon: First thing I thought of.

/thanks.

No, thank you canadianloon!

/going in my emergency eye-bleach folder...

bhcompy: notmtwain: Where did these policies come from in the first place? The Federal Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994 required states receiving federal educational funds to adopt zero tolerance policies.

I don't know whether to thank Bill Clinton or Newt Gingrich for its passage.

Zero tolerance for guns I can agree with. Same for certain controlled substances. OTC, hell no.

Zero tolerance for recreational drugs almost makes sense. I would prefer a 0.001 tolerance though, lest some kid end up with a flake of resin on his sneaker and get ejected for that. What they do at home is no one's business but their own and their parents.

Zero tolerance for guns, less so. School rifle teams and after school gun saftey courses are, to my mind, if not a good thing then no worse than football and driver's ed. (Compare if you will traffic fatalities to gun fatalities in any recent year.)

And I am one of those folks in favor of a certain amount of gun control.

The Apocalypse is upon us. Republicans making sense. In Florida.

Saberus Terras: canadianloon: First thing I thought of.

/thanks.

No, thank you canadianloon!

/going in my emergency eye-bleach folder...

I'm guessing you got the "reach around" joke, eh?

canadianloon: First thing I thought of.

/thanks.

Good on 'em. Zero tolerance is a cancer as far as school discipline goes. If someone's getting their ass whooped, they can't fight back, or else they get arrested, too. Sometimes, a person just needs to be beat up by the person they keep treating like crap.

Didn't Crist write the original "Turn the Other Cheek" policy?

Aexia: Well, Senate Republicans are already lining up to oppose him so don't plan on seeing him around for long. Which is too bad because he's a good guy.

How long until he switches parties? I wonder. I wonder if he and snowe and collins and bloomberg and spectre and any number of blue dawgs might not get together and form a party of the middle. They might get my vote here and there.

TypoFlyspray:
Zero tolerance for guns, less so. School rifle teams and after school gun saftey courses are, to my mind, if not a good thing then no worse than football and driver's ed. (Compare if you will traffic fatalities to gun fatalities in any recent year.)

And I am one of those folks in favor of a certain amount of gun control.

Sure, but you issue permits for that, and make sure the firearm and ammo is controlled in a specific manner, even if it includes trigger locks with only the rifle team coach having the key. You shouldn't be carrying a handgun to school though.

discordium: ArrogantGod: StreetlightInTheGhetto:
/got detention in 9th grade for putting a blank floppy into a computer

I have you beat.

I got suspended when my mom came in to the office and picked me up and took me to the dentist for my appointment.

I got suspended because I left school during a bomb scare. Rather than wait outside in the snow for the school to be cleared, I went home with some friends.

/would do it again
//am not waiting for bombs

I got expelled when I called in that bomb threat.

tshetter: JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - Gov. Charlie Crist will visit Robert E. Lee Senior High School Wednesday


I remember seeing a REL HS in Tampa as well...it was in the ghetto.

So there's an Erwin J Rommel and an Isoroku Yamamoto High School as well? Or does Florida only name schools after failed military leaders when they're hillbillies?

For those of you who read the bill that was linked at the site... is it just me or does this really not do a damn thing.

They say that it is not necessary to report b.s. (aka: being a teenager) behavior to law enforcement agencies and they encourage 'other options' but does not flat out specify what is and is not grounds for expulsion vs. (suspension, detention, write up, or ). Seems like it more the mayor saying "I acknowledge that there is the potential for problems and abuse, but us politicians really aren't saying what should be done to resolve it."

Also... Zero Tolerance got it's start in Los Angeles schools in the mid-80's during the gang problems there. It was sort of justified then. Now? In the rest of the country? No. Get rid of it. It's a veiled attack on the civil rights of students, at worst.

Reagan, Clinton, and Gingrich had nothing to do with it, really. It's really up to the states and the school districts.

This news brightens my day. If only this trend would catch on in other states...

/looking at you, PA

bhcompy

Zero tolerance for guns I can agree with.

You know that zero tolerance for guns often includes squirt guns and even finger pistols?

aerojockey: bhcompy

Zero tolerance for guns I can agree with.

You know that zero tolerance for guns often includes squirt guns and even finger pistols?

But under this new law, that would fall under misconduct rather than a serious threat to the safety of the students and staff. Kids shouldn't bring squirt guns to school, but they shouldn't be expelled for it either. Whatever happened to plain ol' detention?

aerojockey: bhcompy

Zero tolerance for guns I can agree with.

You know that zero tolerance for guns often includes squirt guns and even finger pistols?

And those aren't guns. I'm talkin about firearms.

I can't seriously believe there are high schools named after Robert E. Lee. Is there a Benedict Arnold High as well?

Girl got suspended for a plastic butterknife in her lunchbox, stuff like that is retarded, like Fark retarded. This is a good story.

tricycleracer: Zero-Tolerance: Decision making for idiots.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE

Learn it. know it. live it.

It's_A_Farking_Secret: I can't seriously believe there are high schools named after Robert E. Lee. Is there a Benedict Arnold High as well?

As someone who is not from the South(or the North), Lee is as much an American hero as anyone else. He was a brilliant general, one of the best in American history, who fought for his homeland, and wasn't particularly immoral nor was he unprofessional in defeat.

tricycleracer: Zero-Tolerance: Decision making for idiots So people can stop getting sued for making rational decisions.

It's_A_Farking_Secret: I can't seriously believe there are high schools named after Robert E. Lee. Is there a Benedict Arnold High as well?

Yeah. Lee isn't a failure as far as a military leader goes. Given the circumstances the man was provided with, he could be looked upon as one of the greatest military geniuses in human history. He held back the Union Army for 4 years with a rag- tag army and was often short of supplies and weapons. It's hard to agree with the cause he fought for, but Lee is one of the more blameless figures from the Civil War period. He was torn between his country (the US) and his state (Virginia), which was a common divide at the time. A state was first, not country. It's really a shame the man didn't fight on the side of the Union... the war would have been over in months, not years. His military genius would also be more widely recongnized.

I won't rest until a Greater Common Sense Act is passed

This is a rehash of something I wrote in late December 2007:

"Zero Tolerance"

One thing that pisses me off is the complete lack of common sense exhibited by people who are supposed to be in positions of authority, whether they are parents, teachers, administrators, bureaucrats, law officers, etc. in regard to "zero tolerance" policies. Where completely innocent and harmless people are victimized by process fetishists (i.e., policy drones with bureaucratic personality disorder) who refuse to exercise common sense and use discretion. Like someone peeing in the woods-- suddenly he finds himself under arrest, placed on a "sex offender" registry, forced to notify the authorities of his whereabouts for the rest of his life, forbidden from living within a half-mile of any school, etc. All because he had to pee really badly and wasn't anywhere near a rest room, and some asshole voyeur with a badge was spying on him and caught him in the act of peeing in the woods. Or like a 12 year old girl suspended for a week from school for giving a breath mint to a classmate (violates a "no drug" policy). Or a 1st grader suspended and sent for intensive counseling for drawing a picture of stick figures shooting guns, or for merely uttering the word "gun" on the school bus.

Here's what I propose. I won't go into great detail (I don't have much experience with drafting legislation), but I'll at least share my concept (up for discussion/criticism/suggestion/revision). We need a "Greater Common Sense Act" in this country.

One of the provisions of this Act would be to establish a large "facility of shame" called something like "the FAIL Home" ("For Asinine Imbecilic Losers", perhaps?). This facility would be where those idiots of authority who are found guilty of refusing to use common sense in implementing and enforcing zero-tolerance policies would be incarcerated for a period of at least 1 year, depending on the severity of their willful stupidity. There would be no chance for parole or pardon, unless the convicted person was found to have been set up or to otherwise be totally innocent.

Every day on national TV, a head-shot photo of each retard who has been newly incarcerated would be shown one at a time, along with their name, which would be read aloud by an appropriately-voiced narrator (John Larroquette, perhaps?), after which a graphic of a big red X would be stamped over their photo (with an appropriate deep, cold, metallic stamping sound effect), followed by the narrator saying "FAIL!" in a contemptuous voice. A website would be maintained where people could look up any of these idiots and see their and name, crime, and photo (accompanied by the same red X animation and "FAIL!" soundfile at the click of a button).

People who are convicted of violating the Act would be ineligible for holding any positions of authority or to vote for a period of 5 years after being released from the FAIL Home. Their IDs (license, passport, etc.) would be stamped with a big red X with the word FAIL underneath for a period of 5 years to ensure of this.

What do you think of this so far? Anyone want to make suggestions and help me flesh this out some more?

Ziabatsu: Great, now only the black students will get expelled

This protects kids that actually aren't being disruptive. So I suppose you're right.

A Republican with common sense! Whodathunkit?

/Republican
//Sick of the neocon sellouts

It's_A_Farking_Secret: I can't seriously believe there are high schools named after Robert E. Lee. Is there a Benedict Arnold High as well?

You should read up on Benedict Arnold as well. A very fascinating person and not some evil villian that some people have made him out to be.

rasicar: For those of you who read the bill that was linked at the site... is it just me or does this really not do a damn thing.

Have you ever read any bill/law? No? Neither has 99% of supporters or reporters. They go off the description from the writers and the title. You could present a bill titled "Free Child Healthcare Doctrine" and say that it doesn't raise taxes but have the body of it be tax breaks for tobacco companies and you would have dumbasses rallying for weeks to ensure it passes..

Thunderpipes: Girl got suspended for a plastic butterknife in her lunchbox, stuff like that is retarded, like Fark retarded. This is a good story.

My nephew here in California got suspended a few years ago because his mom accidentally dropped a butterknife in his backpack. Seriously retarded. What did they think he was going to do... spread someone to death?

canadianloon: First thing I thought of.

/thanks.

Dear sweet Jebus.

I've heard so many stories at my school and other school sites of literally retarded stuff. One kid was stopped by a passing security guard trying to fix a set of scissors WHILE IN CLASS. The security guard, viewing these as 2 knives, got him expelled. It was so illogical, but under these rules, he was expelled. Ludicrous.

Shouldn't there be a committee of "we aren't so farking stupid" which resides over these cases?

canadianloon: First thing I thought of.

/thanks.

Odd, I've seen the same picture but the t-shirt says something like, "Admit it, you'd go to jail for this."

Marine1: Also... Zero Tolerance got it's start in Los Angeles schools in the mid-80's during the gang problems there. It was sort of justified then. Now? In the rest of the country? No. Get rid of it. It's a veiled attack on the civil rights of students, at worst.

Reagan, Clinton, and Gingrich had nothing to do with it, really. It's really up to the states and the school districts.

Students have less rights than slaves.

Zimmy: Marine1: Also... Zero Tolerance got it's start in Los Angeles schools in the mid-80's during the gang problems there. It was sort of justified then. Now? In the rest of the country? No. Get rid of it. It's a veiled attack on the civil rights of students, at worst.

Reagan, Clinton, and Gingrich had nothing to do with it, really. It's really up to the states and the school districts.

Students have less rights than slaves.

You mean the learning part or the not getting whipped part?

bhcompy: Sure, but you issue permits for that, and make sure the firearm and ammo is controlled in a specific manner, even if it includes trigger locks with only the rifle team coach having the key. You shouldn't be carrying a handgun to school though.

With a very few, very specific exceptions (eg. A member of the rifle team has cleared participating in a handgun competition with the coach) I am fine with that. In fact, now that you've laid it out, I would be willing to insist on it. That's not zero tolerance, though. That's strictly limited tolerance. It's tight regulation. It's the way to handle the dangerous things.

JESUS H. CHRIST! After reading this thread, it's clear that the only thing Fark has zero-tolerance for is Republicans.

If I wanted this kind of spew I'd go read CNN.

/Wants to know where the political meters are?

Zimmy: Students have less rights than slaves.

Fortunately, knowing everything and never being wrong makes up for it.

/ Lawn. Off. Now.
// Twerp

ricktwig: JESUS H. CHRIST! After reading this thread, it's clear that the only thing Fark has zero-tolerance for is knee jerk, idiot Republicans.

FTFY

This is not necessarily directed at you unless you want it to be, and there are plenty of farkers out there who I am sure do have zero tolerance for Republicans. However, I am under the impression that well reasoned Republicans such as Crist and perhaps a few others I could name, who have seen the drubbing handed out last election and realized that the party line they have been either toeing or bucking depending on specifics has gone stale and sour, and they need to come back to the core principles that will play in the 21st century and jettison the one that were supposed to have been gone with the englightenment, actually tend to get their props when circumstances dictate.

What is nigh unto universal here, though, is a certain cynicism, which informs the farknoscenti that those currently in control of the machinery of the Republican party have determined that the values needed are the ones that worked so well in the 10th century, and who have a gross distrust of the populace that elected them (in the latter, they are no different from the democratic leadership, by the way). Unfortunately for the admirable republicans, the strength of the Republican party has always been lockstep unity (in my life at least), and dissent if punished harshly. Therefore the pervasive projections of defection to the Democrats. Add to that a certain bias, a longing toward, if you will, toward a multi party system (one I don't share) or the historical recognition that a third party can only flourish in a power vacuum (which we may be prematurely detecting, but hope springs infernal(sic)), and you get the projections that moderate republicans and conervative democrats may split off of the parties to become a powerful middle, to become kingmakers if not kings.

So no, there is not zero tolerance for Republicans here, but they are, all things being equal, frowned upon.

I'm fairly sure the more ludicrous types of zero-tolerance policies all came into effect after Columbine. Of course, back then people believed that the Columbine killers were two mostly normal kids who had snapped, while most psychologists today agree that Eric Harris was a diagnosable psychopath who, if he hadn't killed at age 18, would probably have killed at age 20 or 25, etc. All that zero-tolerance policies did was prevent a whole bunch of mostly harmless kids from getting an education.

ricktwig: JESUS H. CHRIST! After reading this thread, it's clear that the only thing Fark has zero-tolerance for is Republicans.

If I wanted this kind of spew I'd go read CNN.

/Wants to know where the political meters are?

You sound fat.

Everyone's praising the guy. Don't blame us if the party doesn't have more than a handful of standouts.

FlashHarry: good move, charlie. now he's a republican we can all, ahem, get behind.

Like I've said a brazillion times, if McCain had picked someone like Crist, I'd have voted McCain. Oh well.

We need more politicians with a good dose of common sense.

fuzzycuffs: Cagey B: FlashHarry: good move, charlie. now he's a republican we can all, ahem, get behind.

He's sane and has some good ideas. Which means the GOP will do everything they can to try and destroy him.

They've already started. There's a good sized faction of the GOP that has already shunned him because he's agreed with Obama on a thing or two, which is tantamount to heresy.

They've been at it for a while, really... the Religious Rong down there have gone to battle with him for his pro-gay policies. There was a thread on Fark, actually, AGES ago, about that very thing. They tried to slander Crist, do some dirty dealings using another GOP candidate during one of the gubernatorial primaries...yeah.

It's_A_Farking_Secret: I can't seriously believe there are high schools named after Robert E. Lee. Is there a Benedict Arnold High as well?

I assume you are unaware of Washington & Lee University? (new window)

Excuse me, sub, don't you understand how this website works?

Take your GOP-asshattery elsewhere.

discordium 2009-06-17 12:22:57 PM
grinding_journalist: It makes me sad we have to legislate common sense BACK into law.

I hate to do this.... but...

THIS

Agreed.

Bottles of aspirin heard sighing relief statewide.

jpbreon: Excuse me, sub, don't you understand how this website works?

Take your GOP-asshattery elsewhere.

Subby here.

So we're damned if we slam, and damned if we don't? Fark that.

Zimmy: Students have less rights than slaves.



I'll feed the troll. Students certainly don't have fewer rights than slaves, but I did have a cop tell my high school government class, in all seriousness, that we had fewer rights than prison inmates during school hours. This was in 97 or 98, so before all the zero tolerance stuff had really gotten off the ground, I think.

he's a little too metrosexual,eltist for the GOP nationally. They couldn't make their funny jokes about hair,tan etc..with him in a race. it would be a big disadvantage with Billy Bob up in W.VA or Cletus in S. Carolina.

It's_A_Farking_Secret: I can't seriously believe there are high schools named after Robert E. Lee. Is there a Benedict Arnold High as well?

The fact that there's a school named after Robert E. Lee makes a lot more sense when you learn that Jacksonville also has a N.B. Forrest High School - named after Nathan Bedford Forrest.

N.B. Forrest made his fortune as a slave trader; then was a Confederate cavalry and military commander in the Civil War, accused of being responsible for war crimes at the Battle of Fort Pillow for leading Confederate soldiers in a massacre of unarmed black Union Army prisoners; and then post-war helped form the Ku Klux Klan - serving as the first Grand Wizard of the KKK and commander of the Grand Dragons of the Realms.

Swell guy. Who had the school named after him in 1959 at the urging of the Daughters of the Confederacy because they were angry over the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision. There recently was an effort to get the name changed, but in the end it was shot down and the name stands.

I guess in a way it's kind of an odd justice that over half the student population there now are black - black students going to school along side white kids in a school with his name on it would probably make that assholes head explode with rage.

So, yeah, in comparison, Robert E. Lee HS isn't even worth batting an eye over.

waterfowl: Zimmy: Students have less rights than slaves.



I'll feed the troll. Students certainly don't have fewer rights than slaves, but I did have a cop tell my high school government class, in all seriousness, that we had fewer rights than prison inmates during school hours. This was in 97 or 98, so before all the zero tolerance stuff had really gotten off the ground, I think.

dude when I went to high school we had open campus. we could leave and come back as long as we were on time for class. so we'd all go get a buzz at lunch and go out to eat.
we had a picnic area between the two cafeterias that was a student smoking area. we'd hang out there and smoke cigs and play poker for lunch money.
We had one cafeteria that was all vending machines with junk food,coke machines and a jukebox too.

also I spent one quarter out at the planetarium/observatory an we went out on trips all the time to go whitewater rafting and rappelling. got to grade myself :)

Oh and in graphic arts we made counterfeit money and used it in the vending machines.

*good times*

Shemp Mo-Din: It's_A_Farking_Secret: I can't seriously believe there are high schools named after Robert E. Lee

Thats because you are a moron

I can only hope we here in CA take a hint from that one. Wow, never thought I would type that. heh. In my sons kindergarten class, a 5 year old was expelled for possession of a folding pocketknife. The kid is slightly slow, very nice, and would no more stab someone then he would fly to the moon by putting his head between his knees and spitting hard.

The teacher called the farking POLICE on the kid, not because he wanted to, but because he had to, or he would lose his job. So a 5 year old got yelled at police, the principle, the teacher, expelled, and has a permanent troublemaker mark on his record. Because he came to school with a pocketknife that his brother gave him as a gift.

Zero Tolerance rules are utterly insane.

damn, I'm glad I voted for that guy.
\will vote for him in the senate race too.

Yeah, this bill seems like a winner.
Most of the time, zero tolerance = zero competence.
But yesterday Charlie tried to improve his "tough on crime" credentials by signing a bill that would force anyone charged (not convicted) with a felony in Florida to submit to being catalogued in the state DNA database.
All hail big brother.

Link thing here

Gov. Charlie Crist will visit Robert E. Lee Senior High School Wednesday, June 17, to sign Senate Bill 1540, which requires school boards to revise their zero-tolerance policies to ensure that students expelled or referred to law enforcement pose a serious threat to school safety, and are not expelled or arrested for petty misconduct.

Thank you Governor Crist

glave27: It's_A_Farking_Secret: I can't seriously believe there are high schools named after Robert E. Lee. Is there a Benedict Arnold High as well?

I assume you are unaware of Washington & Lee University? (new window)

That one irks me but it gets a pass for being there prior to his treason.

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: Shemp Mo-Din: It's_A_Farking_Secret: I can't seriously believe there are high schools named after Robert E. Lee

Thats because you are a moron

Wow what an excellent argument. I'm appalled tax payer dollars go to supporting a school named after a man who led a military insurgency to split the nation in two so one part could keep slaves. (Spare me the states' rights speech, they only cared about it when it came to banning slavery).

CrankMyBlueSax: The Apocalypse is upon us. Republicans making sense. In Florida.

I think it's the collective republican voice that has been extremely dumbed down with all of the Obama WHARRGARBL, tea parties, Dr. Tiller's murder and the Holocaust museum shooter that the Florida republicans are actually starting to look normal.

Oh for the love of... Did any of you actually READ the article? This law does NOTHING.

Zero-tolerance, at least in Orange County schools, automatically brands anyone caught by it as a serious threat to themselves and everyone around them because, according to zero tolerance, the very act of violating the policy automatically proves that what you've done is beyond petty misconduct or else you wouldn't have violated the policy to begin with.

This is a bullshiat law that won't have ANY effect on ANYTHING because the way to circumvent it has already been in effect since 2000.