Beck really gets the ITG in me riled up.

Wow, that was a laugh riot.

Har Har Har...

Yes, but who really gives a sh*t what they think?

How are their opinions qualified by some distinction; some education or experience that would give their voices weight?

CtrlAltDelete: How are their opinions qualified by some distinction; some education or experience that would give their voices weight?

Dude, they have blogs. BLOGS!

Approved:

NewportBarGuy: Dude, they have blogs. BLOGS!

Man, I have a blog.

I'm a goddamn retard.

Party Boy: This is someone who might be the single most compelling poster child for the ability of white males to advance in America for reasons having to do with everything except merit.

Followed closely by Bill Kristol, except it was his Dad, not Mom, who got him where he is.

robmilmel: Followed closely by Bill Kristol, except it was his Dad, not Mom, who got him where he is.

not to mention his general creepiness.

Seriously, have you ever heard that man speak? CREEPY AS HELL.

So the dingbats on the right say he was a lefty and this is what lefty's do. The dingbats on the left say it's the guns fault and we should ban guns, totally ignoring the nutcase wielding it.

The people in the middle want to shoot both off to the moon

Yeah, because when I want to hear an unbiased view of reality, filled with truth and logic, the first names that pop into my head are Glenn Beck and Jonah Goldberg.

The Holocaust shooter was a lefty? Now that's just batsh*t insanity.

Crosshair: The dingbats on the left say it's the guns fault and we should ban guns, totally ignoring the nutcase wielding it.

[CITATION NEEDED]

And if you're in the middle, then I am a Stetson hat.

SilentStrider: Seriously, have you ever heard that man speak? CREEPY AS HELL.

He does have that lovely "Why so serious" smile and the delivery of a DMV employee saying "Next".

CtrlAltDelete: Man, I have a blog.

Party Boy: So much of the right-wing pundit class -- which also complains endlessly about the unfairness of affirmative action in undermining "merit-based" achievement -- similarly owe their entire careers to their moms and dads.

Sums it up nicely. Every time I see a Swanson Foods product, I realize "THAT'S why Tucker Carlson's opinion matters... to someone!"

To be fair, the shooter's politics are probably to the left of Beck's and Goldberg's.

Bloody William: Crosshair: The dingbats on the left say it's the guns fault and we should ban guns, totally ignoring the nutcase wielding it.

[CITATION NEEDED]

And if you're in the middle, then I am a Stetson hat.

You do look quite smart when perched atop my head, but I'm gonna go with "Crosshair's pulling things out of his ass again".

robmilmel: Followed closely by Bill Kristol, except it was his Dad, not Mom, who got him where he is.

Yes, the neocon family tree is an inbred one, and reads like the Old Testament

Ye.
Midge Decter and Norman Podhoretz Begat John Podhoretz and Rachel Decter - Podhoretz who will become editor of the neocon rag "Commentary" after his dad retires.

Rachel Decter then wed Elliot Abrams

Irving Kristol and Gertrude Himmelfarb begat Bill Kristol who founded the Weekly Standard.

NewportBarGuy: Sums it up nicely.

It speaks volumes to me that Glenn Greenwald isnt on the television.

Good journalist, that guy.

These attempts to portray von Brunn as a lefty aren't just the right-wing trying to distance themselves from his actions. Sure, that's a big part of it. But they are also trying to perpetuate the notion that lefties are a threat, a real physical threat (not just that whole 'they're stealing our country!' kinda threat.) And if liberals are a real, clear and present danger, then RealAmericans™ are justified in arming themselves against that threat.

Sigh, I miss William Buckley.

propasaurus: And if liberals are a real, clear and present danger, then RealAmericans™ are justified in arming themselves against that threat.

So they're trying to direct some of the circular firing squad outward? Lovely.

propasaurus: hese attempts to portray von Brunn as a lefty aren't just the right-wing trying to distance themselves from his actions. Sure, that's a big part of it. But they are also trying to perpetuate the notion that lefties are a threat, a real physical threat (not just that whole 'they're stealing our country!' kinda threat.) And if liberals are a real, clear and present danger, then RealAmericans™ are justified in arming themselves against that threat.

If anything, it shows the extremely feeble way terms "left" and "right" actually defines the political landscape.

Extremely feeble.

Party Boy: If anything, it shows the extremely feeble way terms "left" and "right" actually defines the political landscape.

Extremely feeble.

It's trying to cram every kind of block - circle, square, triangle, star, oval, - into the same hole. Political ideologies are not something that can be constrained to a single continuum. It's a very multifaceted set of variables.

Kome: It's trying to cram every kind of block - circle, square, triangle, star, oval, - into the same hole. Political ideologies are not something that can be constrained to a single continuum. It's a very multifaceted set of variables.

yep.

Though, douchey pundits like Jonah Goldberg, Glen Beck do like to herald themselves as mouthpieces of these bullshiat divisions.

When you get a wack-nuts guy shooting up a holocaust Museum, Jewish guys like Jonah Goldberg (or Kristol..etc) must really be faced with the extreme cognitive dissonance of these false and conflated terms of "left" and "right" and their position in reifying it.

Glenn Beck and Jonah Goldberg???? Can you put that much ignorance in one place without causing a black hole?

Other notable lefties:

* Scott Roeder
* Osama bin Laden
* Ayman al-Zawahiri
* Benito Mussolini
* Adolf Hitler
* Timothy McVeigh
* George W. Bush
* Alberto Gonzales
* Michael Brown
* Richard Nixon
* Colin Powell
* David Duke
* Ron Paul

elchip: (notable lefties -sarcasm) * Adolf Hitler

always makes me think of





Centrist Statists are just like Hitler.

/meh

Party Boy: Though, douchey pundits like Jonah Goldberg, Glen Beck do like to herald themselves as mouthpieces of these bullshiat divisions.

Here's a video which sums up these delusional gasbags who've been abandoned by Independents after eight years.

Link (WARNING: Country Music)

Bloody William: Crosshair: The dingbats on the left say it's the guns fault and we should ban guns, totally ignoring the nutcase wielding it.

[CITATION NEEDED]

I'm not certain what Crosshair is referring to, but I have received at least one email using this tragedy to call for the closing of the "gun show loophole"(p) even though I haven't heard anything about how James von Brunn acquired the weapon(s) he used.

/I am a far left leaning libtard and an NRA supporter.

I reiterate my position that this nation needs Civics classes at the high school level as a requirement for graduation.

NewportBarGuy: Link (WARNING: Country Music)

Was expecting Toby Keith. I need to burn that memory down.

/♫thank god you left the maaatches♪

hubiestubert: I reiterate my position that this nation needs Civics classes at the high school level as a requirement for graduation.

We have them, and usually the harried gym coach / "teacher" rubber-stamps another batch of teenagers the hell out of his life and bolts for the door as fast as possible.

I got lucky and had a civics teacher that actually gave a damn.

hubiestubert: I reiterate my position that this nation needs Civics classes at the high school level as a requirement for graduation.

Because we all know how well highschoolers pay attention. ;)

Maybe we start in kindergarten and start slow. First we teach "We vote" and then gradually ramp up the intensity of the classes. By the time you hit high school you would have a pretty good foundation of repeat lessons. Make it as common knowledge as something like reading and math.

Of course I'm sure we'd have more people getting pissed off about the indoctrination of their children and such.

JohnnyC: Because we all know how well highschoolers pay attention. ;)

You would be surprised. We had a Youth in Government class that involved us actually going to the Capitol and serving as Legislators for a day. I managed to secure a $10000 donation from Philip-Morris.

Mentat: I managed to secure a $10000 donation from Philip-Morris.

Damn, I only got $3.50 from the Catholic League of America. My ass still hurts.

NewportBarGuy: Damn, I only got $3.50 from the Catholic League of America. My ass still hurts.

Ah, you fell for the confessional trick. Remember, separation of church and state.

mentat
NewportBarGuy: Damn, I only got $3.50 from the Catholic League of America. My ass still hurts.

"Ah, you fell for the confessional trick. Remember, separation of church and state."

spoken like a true mentat.

you see...that is what jonah and the like, fear.

no more boogymen.

hubiestubert: I reiterate my position that this nation needs Civics classes at the high school level as a requirement for graduation.

you're not going to get much argument out of me. More people actually understanding how this country's supposed to function would be a GOOD thing.

Kome: To be fair, the shooter's politics are probably to the left of Beck's and Goldberg's.

Thread over.

Occam's Chainsaw: hubiestubert: I reiterate my position that this nation needs Civics classes at the high school level as a requirement for graduation.

We have them, and usually the harried gym coach / "teacher" rubber-stamps another batch of teenagers the hell out of his life and bolts for the door as fast as possible.

I got lucky and had a civics teacher that actually gave a damn.

They're not mandatory for graduation in most states--sadly, Civics gets crammed into a bastardized "Government" class that doesn't really cover all that much, other than some state history...

The only way he could be considered left is if he circled around to it from the other side.

CtrlAltDelete: How are their opinions qualified by some distinction; some education or experience that would give their voices weight?

They have an army of mindless muppets that will repeat their whargarble to folks who may actually trust their judgement. It isn't that they're qualified to give the opinion, it's that they are able to perpetuate it to the point that it becomes true in the eyes of a big enough slice of the populace that it will become another BS 'controversy' a la AGW or evolution.

Man, these lefties are shooting everything these days. We should round all of them up, for the safety of conservative America.

CtrlAltDelete: NewportBarGuy: Dude, they have blogs. BLOGS!

Man, I have a blog.

I'm a goddamn retard.

You know, CtrlAltDelete, that I've always enjoyed your comments, along with a few select Farkers that I have specially highlighted in a pleasing green glow, except Pocket Ninja, who gets black, as a ninja should, but I only just now noticed the Farkers link thingy and I went to your blog.

I don't mean to thread jack, but man, I really needed that story. My Grandpa just died, and because I was stationed somewhere doing stuff I couldn't leave, I couldn't be there when he got ill. That left me with a lot of emotion I didn't particularly like, mostly just plain angry. But life keeps going on.

And that takes me to my original point, Glenn Beck and whoever that other guy is are worthless compared to real life experience. They'd lose all their power in a friggen heartbeat if people would pull their heads outta their asses and go live life for a while.

Sym_pathetic: Man, these lefties are shooting everything these days. We should round all of them up, for the safety of conservative America.

I agree. Next Tuesday is good for me.

I swear, I get so tired of those damn dirty lefty hippies. All they do is smoke their goofballs, listen to their Woodstock album and sit around posting on Free Republic about how no one has seen Obama's birth certificate containing typical lefty rhetoric like this...

WHY DON'T WE SEE ONE WORD OF THIS IN ANY OF THE MEDIA?

Love him or hate him, we all remember how the press went to great lengths to find out every move that President Bush made ... finally unable to come up with anything factual, so they created it! When their accusations were proven empty, they refused to retract one word of the fraud they perpetrated on the American people.

Dan Rather lost his job over fraudulent documents, because common people like you & me reached out and ripped CBS to pieces. They couldn't stand the loss of sponsors OR viewers!

The same Media went to great lengths to scandalize & destroy Sarah Palin. She maintains a 91% approval rating among voters from all parties, thanks to the Internet and investigative journalists who don't work for the mainstream media.

Hey Comrade, go back to Berkley with that lefty rhetoric. Or better yet, take a shower and get a job.

Kome: To be fair, the shooter's politics are probably to the left of Beck's and Goldberg's.

Whose aren't?

/shooter was a wackaloon who hated pretty much everybody

/Obligatory.

It's ridiculous. There's an argument to be made about whether or not it's fair to simply label the guy a right wing extremist. The guy was an enormous nut that seemed to buy into any conspiracy theory he could pin on the jews, and this is frequently going to come into conflict with the unquestioning support of Israel that's prevalent among Republican opinion makers. I think it's a fairly weak argument because anyone with half a brain understands that virulently white supremacist views aren't nearly as common on the American left as they are on the right.

However, morons like these two can't help themselves and feel the need to take it a few absurd steps further and try to label him as a lefty. It's the same ridiculous notion that leads right-wing bloggers to somehow think that Muslim terrorists are on the left; their sole criteria for right vs. left is things I'm for vs. things I'm against.

I'm fine with them running their mouths like this. I hope more people see it, because any sane person can immediately see that they're being disingenuous retards.