Netanyahu and the Israelis are thieves taking from those who are too weak to stand against them.

Is it me, or is Bibi the least-masculine nickname someone named Benjamin could possibly have?

It is my opinion that Netanyahu is purposely and specifically trolling Tatsuma.

TFA: The bottom line is that all settlement construction is political. The "natural growth" argument is a ruse meant to disguise the real goal: determining the future of the territory before anyone has a chance to negotiate.

Well-said, Gershom Gorenberg. Pay attention, FARKers: this will be on the quiz.

Of course. They had no qualms about throwing the people out who lived there, why shouldn't they see anything wrong with doing anything they can to make sure those settlements are hard to take apart. No matter what international opinion is, Israel has no intention of ever leaving the territory it has stolen. They'll sabotage any conferences with irrational and unmeetable demands so the peace process cannot go forward. They have no intention of ever stopping their expansion. Living space indeed.

GAT_00: Living space indeed.

"We need breathing room."

/Godwined!

you have become that which you despise most.

-covet away, o israel.

hell probably try to push the onus back on the Palestinians on his next speech and try to take the focus away from the settlements.

Im not sure he can really pull it off.

Bauer: you have become that which you despise most.

Amazing ...

Also. i know Max Blumenthals other video went mega viral. Here's the first one he posted on Phil Wiess' site. Its relevant to the thread.
How a neocon casino king from California funds the Israeli settler movement

Then theres
But critics of Israeli settlements question why American taxpayers are supporting indirectly, through the exempt contributions, a process that the government condemns.

and heres more, cause im up to my arms in soap suds

Waits for the criticize Israel = Anti-Semitism in 3...2...1.

Fart_Machine: Waits for the criticize Israel = Anti-Semitism in 3...2...1.

Semite: : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs

Anti-semetic: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

So what are you called if you have hostility toward or discrimination against Akkadians, Phoenicians and Arabs?

rppp01a:

So what are you called if you have hostility toward or discrimination against Akkadians, Phoenicians and Arabs?



Memnon.

Settlers taking land that is not theirs?

The natives are backwards violent savages.



/hot

rppp01a: So what are you called if you have hostility toward or discrimination against Akkadians, Phoenicians and Arabs?

In certain parts of the country you're called a patriot.

cameroncrazy1984: Is it me, or is Bibi the least-masculine nickname someone named Benjamin could possibly have?

Nobody puts Bibi in the closet.

Oh, and really quick, if someone pulls up the indians...

2009-06-06 09:44:21 AM

What you want to call that, btw, is a Tu Quoque fallacy.

Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser. This is a classic Red Herring since whether the accuser is guilty of the same, or a similar, wrong is irrelevant to the truth of the original charge. However, as a diversionary tactic, Tu Quoque can be very effective, since the accuser is put on the defensive, and frequently feels compelled to defend against the accusation.

Its rhetorically a really, really bad argument and it completely avoids the original post. Of course, the analog is bad. Frighteningly bad.

This subject here on this thread, on settlements is pretty indefensible. I see people just using rhetorical fallacies and diversion tactics when theyre brought up. It looks really, really bad each time these are used.

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Hopefully no one shows their ass that bad. Back to work.

another Chairman Obama policy hits the brick wall,, rather the reality of the world.

Can't this failure just leave now?

vernonFL: Settlers taking land that is not theirs?

The natives are backwards violent savages.



/hot

I bet you are willing to give your land back to whichever tribe once lived on it.

/Just saying

/hot

vernonFL: Settlers taking land that is not theirs?

The natives are backwards violent savages.

I'm sure the Iroquois nation can provide significant financial support, as well as access and cooperation to their Military-Industrial Complex, not to mention regular interaction with security sources and agencies as well as a friendly voice on the United Nations Security Council.

The US is, and will remain, an ally of Israel.
That does not mean we are not going to ever so discretely tell request that they knock that shiat off.

Party Boy: What you want to call that, btw, is a Tu Quoque fallacy

My posts never have any logic. Whatever it is I am drunkenly posting about.

winterwhile: another Chairman Obama policy hits the brick wall,, rather the reality of the world.

Can't this failure just leave now?

So you read the article?

I'm sure Tatsuma will be along soon to explain how the Jews are entitled to own that land anyway so they can just push aside anybody who might inconveniently be currently living there.

vernonFL

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean, unless you're trying to point out the historic irony of Jews crowding themselves into walled communities voluntarily. And if that's the case, a nice scenic shot of Masada might be more apropos.

Got to give Obama credit on this one, he picked the one issue most impossible for the Israelis to defend as the first confrontation with the lobby. Shatter the lobby's aura of invincibility and progress towards peace becomes possible.

perfect example of notnews.

FTA: The president is reiterating what's stated in the 2003 road map for peace: Israel must freeze "settlement activity," meaning building and expansion of settlements. The issue is construction, not reproduction.

Sounds like this is what everyone agreed to, and Israel is trying to weasel out.

TheOther: cameroncrazy1984: Is it me, or is Bibi the least-masculine nickname someone named Benjamin could possibly have?

Nobody puts Bibi in the closet.

*snicker*

the only path towards peace is one of mutally assured destruction.

israel and iran need their own cold war, evidently.

why should israel, who has been caught spying, on more than one occasion on the united states, have nuclear weapons, while iran does not?

iran threw "our man" out in '79...and took hostages.

why should we take a position favorable to either side?

this is "little league baseball" politics at its finest.

nukes for all...or no nukes for nobody.

-anything less is total hypocrisy.

Edsel I'm sure Tatsuma will be along soon to explain how the Jews are entitled to own that land anyway so they can just push aside anybody who might inconveniently be currently living there.


Not likely. It's Friday and almost sundown. He wouldn't want to piss off his invisible friend who lives in the sky.

Your Faith is Creepy: Jews crowding themselves into walled communities voluntarily.

Jews are crowding themselves into walled communities?

Israel is building walls around Palestinian communities. Checkpoints, roadblocks, walls. These aren't in Tel Aviv.

/and no I am not really serious, I can't equate the Warsaw ghetto to Qalquila or whatever. But it makes for good discussion flamebait on Fark.

Bauer: iran threw "our man" out in '79...and took hostages.

Just to clarify- the US threw out their first democratically elected leader in the 50s to put in "our man".

cameroncrazy1984: Is it me, or is Bibi the least-masculine nickname someone named Benjamin could possibly have?

its actually a common Israel/hebrew nickname, also bibi has a complex, look up who his brother Jonathon Nentanyahu was and how he died

robomonkster: It is my opinion that Netanyahu is purposely and specifically trolling Tatsuma.

Come on, greenlighting this story on a Friday night? For shame.

Riche: Not likely. It's Friday and almost sundown. He wouldn't want to piss off his invisible friend who lives in the sky.

Okay, can we knock this off? Seriously?

Tatsuma is a settler and a criminal, and his justifications for taking Palestinian land are exactly the justifications used by Hitler to annex Austria, the Sudetenland, and eventually all of Europe (if he'd gotten his way). He's exactly the monster that his forebears were persecuted by. But his religion isn't the problem, and it's really disrespectful to the many Jews that do not hold to his Nazi-like foreign and domestic policy to insult his religion like that.

Bauer: nukes for all...or no nukes for nobody.

-anything less is total hypocrisy.

I don't think you know what hypocrisy means.

rppp01a

winterwhile: another Chairman Obama policy hits the brick wall,, rather the reality of the world.

Can't this failure just leave now?

So you read the article?

yes

and we are going to tell another dem let country what to do? I though the chosen one was not going to tell the world what to do?

captainktainer: Riche: Not likely. It's Friday and almost sundown. He wouldn't want to piss off his invisible friend who lives in the sky.

Okay, can we knock this off? Seriously?

Tatsuma is a settler and a criminal, and his justifications for taking Palestinian land are exactly the justifications used by Hitler to annex Austria, the Sudetenland, and eventually all of Europe (if he'd gotten his way). He's exactly the monster that his forebears were persecuted by. But his religion isn't the problem, and it's really disrespectful to the many Jews that do not hold to his Nazi-like foreign and domestic policy to insult his religion like that.

Yeah, but his justification ultimately boils down to "This land is mine because God - excuse me, "G-d" - told my ancestors it was.

-well...that's your problem...

"you don't think"

winterwhile: and we are going to tell another dem let country what to do?

We need to find way to instain country that kill their babbies.

rppp01a:
So what are you called if you have hostility toward or discrimination against Akkadians, Phoenicians and Arabs?

Reasonable?fark that phenome-based language bullshiat anyhow.

//I keed.

I find it interesting how many people attack Tatsuma when he's not around.

You gotta love the Israeli's. From a recent Fark headline, US: "Stop building in Jerusalem." Israel:"I have to admire the residents of Iroquois territory for assuming that they have a right to determine where Jews should live in Jerusalem."

They're even calling the small settlement dwellings they're building "Obamahuts". Greatness.