This sounds marvelous...

God created beer to train the faithful. One cannot go against the word of God.

It's not beer if it doesn't use barley.

That being said, honey and fruit ferment out rather dry, and you can taste that nearly anywhere. It's called a melomel. Whether or not it's a "malted beverage" would depend entirely on if the rice was malted or not, which betrays an astounding complexity for such an early recipe, because rice doesn't malt the way barley does, you essentially have to let a specific fungus grow on it to do it's thing.

Plus, I'd be interested to see how wild fermentation/yeast culture from back then would make it taste. That would be the kicker. I know that scientists have cultivated yeast sealed in the tombs of pharaohs in Egypt for ages, so if they could produce a usable, "original" yeast, that would be highly interesting.

What a lovely gift from archaeology to beer drinkers. Gotta keep an eye out for this one.

Fraggler: What a lovely gift from archaeology to beer drinkers. Gotta keep an eye out for this one.

Yeah, I'll taste it for sure. Not the biggest dogfish head fan in the world, but I like the owner, and encourage him.

If there's anything we archaeologists know, it's alcoholic beverages.

/not a big beer drinker myself, but these might be fun to try.

But that's not the only strange brew Dogfish is shipping out this summer. Next week, the brewery will be bottling up the first large batch of Sah'tea for the general public-a modern update on a ninth-century Finnish beverage. In the fall, The New Yorker documented the intricate research and preparation that went into making the beer, which was first offered on tap at the brewery in May. In short, brewmasters carmelize wort on white hot river rocks, ferment it with German Weizen yeast, then toss on Finnish berries and a blend of spices to jazz up this rye-based beverage. Reviewers at the BeerAdvocate universally praised Sah'tea, comparing it to a fruity hefeweizen. One user munched on calamari as he downed a pint and described the combo as "a near euphoric experience."

I just got happy. In the pants. A berry beer with calamari? Yes, please.

The_Flatline: It's not beer if it doesn't use barley.

Hairs, you are splinting them.

This I can belive in..

"Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin

/obvious

i think it was called "the bus that couldn't slow down"

Dogfish.... eff yeah.

Getting married in DE in five weeks... will have to pick up some of this.

Wow. Old news is so exciting! This stuff's been out since 2005.

DFH has a habit of putting out such beers, like this and Midas Touch (somewhere between beer, mead, and wine). I'm looking forward to trying the Theobroma, though.

Fraggler: What a lovely gift from archaeology to beer drinkers. Gotta keep an eye out for this one.

jekxrb: If there's anything we archaeologists know, it's alcoholic beverages.

/not a big beer drinker myself, but these might be fun to try.

I will never regret putting you on my favorites list! Archaeologists totally rock.

// complete estalky threadjack....

Here is a good reason for you to come to Buffalo next year. ^{(^)}....This coupon is valid for 1 free beverage of your choice should you drop by (well make a fark party out of it)...

// end estalky threadjack

Mad Scientist: "Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin

/obvious

Came here to say that. Good job.

Still wouldn't taste the same as what it was 9000 years ago. The yeast and grains have evolved (through selected breeding) since then.

Must be skunked.

DrGunsforHands: Mad Scientist: "Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin

/obvious

Came here to say that. Good job.

Nobody can prove that Franklin ever even said it.
http://beer.about.com/b/2007/01/04/benjamin-franklin-and-that-quote.htm

What a 9000 year old girl drinking a beer may look like



/Link is hot
//Beer is not

does fark get paid by the booze to promote boozin and to demonize marijuana?

Boozers are always portrayed positively and smokers negatively on fark.

The article has nothing to do with Germany or Austria, but at least we get a picture of a blondie in a drindl with a Masskrug! Yay!

Eveerything is better with a blondie in a drindl.

Now THIS is relevant to my interests.

This is obviously just a plot by the liberal scientific community, working in tandem with the evil liberal media, to try to discredit the bible and His word.

cry0fan: Boozers are always portrayed positively and smokers negatively on fark.

HAH!

Only in liter land.

The Finnish drink they're talking about there is actually called sahti, not sah'tea. It doesn't have anything to do with tea.

cry0fan: does fark get paid by the booze to promote boozin and to demonize marijuana?

Boozers are always portrayed positively and smokers negatively on fark.

I dispute this. The people who write the articles are always pro-beer and anti-marijuana. Fark cannot help that.

cry0fan: does fark get paid by the booze to promote boozin and to demonize marijuana?

Boozers are always portrayed positively and smokers negatively on fark.

Actually, I thought marijuana has always been treated very liberally on fark ("legalize it!", and all that). It's cigarette smokers who are the scapegoat of the day. For some reason, drunks and potheads are cool, but cigarettes are the most evil thing on the planet.

/go figure. meh.

johnphantom: cry0fan: does fark get paid by the booze to promote boozin and to demonize marijuana?

Boozers are always portrayed positively and smokers negatively on fark.

I dispute this. The people who write the articles are always pro-beer and anti-marijuana. Fark cannot help that.

Surely there's a way to rectify this:
product THC-fortified beer. and call it purple haze, replacing it's current girly incarnate.

The_Flatline: It's not beer if it doesn't use barley.

That being said, honey and fruit ferment out rather dry, and you can taste that nearly anywhere. It's called a melomel. Whether or not it's a "malted beverage" would depend entirely on if the rice was malted or not, which betrays an astounding complexity for such an early recipe, because rice doesn't malt the way barley does, you essentially have to let a specific fungus grow on it to do it's thing.

Plus, I'd be interested to see how wild fermentation/yeast culture from back then would make it taste. That would be the kicker. I know that scientists have cultivated yeast sealed in the tombs of pharaohs in Egypt for ages, so if they could produce a usable, "original" yeast, that would be highly interesting.

STFU, geek.

_{/i keed!
//you geek!}

cry0fan: does fark get paid by the booze to promote boozin and to demonize marijuana?

Boozers are always portrayed positively and smokers negatively on fark.

Which Fark are you reading?

Somaticasual: johnphantom: cry0fan: does fark get paid by the booze to promote boozin and to demonize marijuana?

Boozers are always portrayed positively and smokers negatively on fark.

I dispute this. The people who write the articles are always pro-beer and anti-marijuana. Fark cannot help that.

Surely there's a way to rectify this:
product THC-fortified beer. and call it purple haze, replacing it's current girly incarnate.

Ha. You gave me an interesting idea, since I brew and, um, welllll... I have a nice closet. You should see it.

Madz_Bradz Quote 2009-06-07 08:46:38 AM
What a 9000 year old girl drinking a beer may look like

She ages well.

/Guessing the taste is sweet as well.

cry0fan: Boozers are always portrayed positively and smokers negatively on fark.

Dooooooood! If you would stop bogarting all the Doritoes then we might get a better deal.

The archaeological evidence for beer is just as old as the archaeological evidence for growing grain.

The archaeological evidence for bread? not so much.

So basically beer is the reason we aren't still hunter/gatherer nomads.

Flatline
You got a specific fungus ... on Your face.

heh heh. Just joking, beerman.

FTFA: Soon after, McGovern called on Sam Calagione at the Dogfish Head Craft Brewery in Milton, Del., to do the ancient recipe justice.

Ding Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!

Let's chisel a beer Mt. Rushmore and include the following: Calagione, Charlie Papazian, Larry Bell, and who else, beer lovers?

BTW, Charlie Papazian has included several homebrewing articles lately in Zymurgy about local, indigenous brews in far-flung places from us...

Ow My Balls: and who else, beer lovers?

This guy

Beer is prove that there is a God and that he loves me.
Pepperjack is proof that he is omnipotent.

baka-san: The_Flatline: It's not beer if it doesn't use barley.

Hairs, you are splinting them.

I guess it would be more of a mead, which my gf loves. I think I'll tell her about this. Will try Theobroma, too. Mmmmmm...chocolate.

Frank Zappa:

"You can't be a Real Country unless you have a BEER and an airline - it helps if you have some kind of a football team or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a BEER."


Rest in peace Frank.

I'm not sure exactly how beaming technology could make this better...but, it could.

ClemsonChili: Nobody can prove that Franklin ever even said it.
http://beer.about.com/b/2007/01/04/benjamin-franklin-and-that-quote.htm

I came here to add this quote, saw it was already done, then read your post. good to know. But then i googled the quote in the comments to the article you linked to and found this:

We hear of the conversion of water into wine at the marriage in Cana as of a miracle. But this conversion is, through the goodness of God, made every day before our eyes. Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards; there it enters the roots of the vines, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy. The miracle in question was only performed to hasten the operation, under circumstances of present necessity, which required it.
Letter to Abbé Morellet (1779)

which is excepted from Here (new window)
grep Morellet on this page for the fuil text

So, yeah, it's been shortened & paraphrased, but it does look like he said it...

/pre-coffee fun w/ google... thanks for the lead! cheers

Occam's Chainsaw: But that's not the only strange brew Dogfish is shipping out this summer. Next week, the brewery will be bottling up the first large batch of Sah'tea for the general public-a modern update on a ninth-century Finnish beverage. In the fall, The New Yorker documented the intricate research and preparation that went into making the beer, which was first offered on tap at the brewery in May. In short, brewmasters carmelize wort on white hot river rocks, ferment it with German Weizen yeast, then toss on Finnish berries and a blend of spices to jazz up this rye-based beverage. Reviewers at the BeerAdvocate universally praised Sah'tea, comparing it to a fruity hefeweizen. One user munched on calamari as he downed a pint and described the combo as "a near euphoric experience."

I just got happy. In the pants. A berry beer with calamari? Yes, please.

I concur.

/God loves us!

Occam's Chainsaw: But that's not the only strange brew Dogfish is shipping out this summer. Next week, the brewery will be bottling up the first large batch of Sah'tea for the general public-a modern update on a ninth-century Finnish beverage. In the fall, The New Yorker documented the intricate research and preparation that went into making the beer, which was first offered on tap at the brewery in May. In short, brewmasters carmelize wort on white hot river rocks, ferment it with German Weizen yeast, then toss on Finnish berries and a blend of spices to jazz up this rye-based beverage. Reviewers at the BeerAdvocate universally praised Sah'tea, comparing it to a fruity hefeweizen. One user munched on calamari as he downed a pint and described the combo as "a near euphoric experience."

I just got happy. In the pants. A berry beer with calamari? Yes, please.

with video (new window)

/pops

moralpanic: Still wouldn't taste the same as what it was 9000 years ago. The yeast and grains have evolved (through selected breeding) since then.

When 9,000 years old you reach, taste as good you will not.

Somaticasual: johnphantom: cry0fan: does fark get paid by the booze to promote boozin and to demonize marijuana?

Boozers are always portrayed positively and smokers negatively on fark.

I dispute this. The people who write the articles are always pro-beer and anti-marijuana. Fark cannot help that.

Surely there's a way to rectify this:
product THC-fortified beer. and call it purple haze, replacing it's current girly incarnate.

Best not to go there. So far, we have beer drinkers and pot smokers but the two never ever ever mix. Who knows what sort of crazy insane rampage would occur if a pot smoker would also have a beer or two or a beer drinker would take a toke.

\budweiser tastes better when used as bong water.
\\real beer, not so much

i loves me some dogfish head.

Mad Scientist: "Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin

Nah, that's weed.