Cop-wannabes that didn't pass the IQ test, who's shocked?

fta: Says Kate: "People were smoking joints all over the place"

That's a ball face lie. NIN fans are good, patriotic christian souls.

$300 for a concert ticket? Welcome to dinosaur-ville, Trent; population: you.

Rule #1 for not getting thrown out of a concert: be good looking.

Rule #2: don't be ugly.

To be fair, what 21-yo goes out to drink without proper ID? You KNOW you're going to get carded. So, if you don't have proper ID, you don't get to drink. If you get caught drinking without proper ID, you're a dumbass. Don't blame security for your lack of forethought.

I can see the proper ID thing and how Security can get sticky about it if they want to, but the women should have just lost their beers and been allowed to stay.

Though, as always unless there's video, there could be more to the story.

These "bouncers" would have asploded at Dead concert ;)

$300 per ticket?? For Nine Inch Nails??

Unless it comes with a handjob, that's obscene.

ne2d: $300 for a concert ticket? Welcome to dinosaur-ville, Trent; population: you.

Probably scalped. I hope.

UltraFark: It's 2009 and you are at the Nine Inch Nails concert.

Ok, seriously, bouncers can be complete dicks, but do you know how much ID related BS they probably have to deal with on any given night?

Bring proper ID and STFU. If you get caught drinking without it they are going to boot you...that's just how it works, especially in big venues.

This is what happens when you hire your security goons from the TSA.

Saborlas: This is what happens when you hire your security goons from the TSA.

"tickets to Tuesday's gig, likely Reznor's last stop in Canada"

Lower the drinking age to 18, or better yet get rid of it altogether. The government's insane under-21 prohibition is the real problem here (and of course neither the fault of the bouncer or the concert-goers).

Obnox: "tickets to Tuesday's gig, likely Reznor's last stop in Canada"

Woops. Didn't catch that. Still, the card-everyone mentality has its origins in pig-headed government policy (and while 19 is better than 21, it's still laughably unrealistic). The bouncer's energy would have been better expended dealing with actual troublemakers.

Bouncers are slightly less intelligent than mall cops.

a classic example of how not to succeed at life:
going to a venue with the intent of drinking and not bringing proper ID
reuniting with your trucker mom at a NIN concert in 2009
bouncers failing at tact
NIN

everyone in this story is wrong

FTFA: "Their mom is a long-haul trucker from Kitchener, so you'd expect her to be partial to hurtin' country songs."

Feel free to continue discussing the main point of the article. But please, Fark, let's not let this gem go. They're too few and far between. As you were...

Unavailable for comment, as he's chasing teenagers away from the free samples at Cheese World.

I never got my license until I was 23. In college, I used to buy liquor a few blocks from my apartment, that is until I tried to buy when the owner was working. Apparently, a Learner's Permit was not good enough compared to a Driver's License, even though the Permit is the same thing, excepting not being allowed to drive a car without another licensed driver with you.

Churchill2004: Lower the drinking age to 18, or better yet get rid of it altogether. The government's insane under-21 prohibition is the real problem here (and of course neither the fault of the bouncer or the concert-goers).

Protip: America isn't the entire world.

$300 Canadian for a ticket? That's like $47 American isn't it?

/I keed

This is why if you are going to do something that you have to be a certain age to do legally, bring proof of age. Government-issue is really the only way to be sure.

Now I don't know Canada, never been there.... but I get the idea that the drinking age is 18 up there. So if you are only 21, that's too close to not get carded. If I forget my wallet when trying to buy a pack of smokes I don't complain if I get carded and turned down, even though I'm 27.

Sure, the bouncer was an ass, but it's his job to be an ass.

Take your papers with you comrades, saves us from having.... troubles.

Ashtrey: Now I don't know Canada, never been there.... but I get the idea that the drinking age is 18 up there

19 in most places, actually.

Handsome B. Wonderful: Churchill2004: Lower the drinking age to 18, or better yet get rid of it altogether. The government's insane under-21 prohibition is the real problem here (and of course neither the fault of the bouncer or the concert-goers).

Protip: America isn't the entire world.

Protip: I addressed that in the post that came right after that one.

So they are at a venue, without a proper ID and drinks in hand, and get busted by security? They are lucky they even have their refunds, and that's simply because some contact of theirs working in a newspaper got a hold of the story and ran it, and the management didn't want the bad publicity.

It's a non-story.

And also, even with a drinking age of 18, you are just moving the problem, and suddenly you have 17 year olds whining about what the big issue is, they are only a couple of days away from being 18.

1. NIN tickets were (at the most expensive for my venue) $150 each, that included Jane's Addiction and Street Sweeper Social Club (Tom Morello's new side project). So yes, probably scalped.

2. NiN had nothing to do with this. This is completely venue security. (also, Jane's Addiction was headlining anyway..)

3. It'll say on signs, it'll say on tickets, they can kick you out for just about anything. I think it was a bit overzealous, but if the mom was cursing or starting an argument, that's automatically grounds for ejection.

/why didn't they stay in the parking lot and listen and catch up?

Cornwell: And also, even with a drinking age of 18, you are just moving the problem, and suddenly you have 17 year olds whining about what the big issue is, they are only a couple of days away from being 18.

For a good example of how to do it, see England. Their drinking age laws (or lack thereof) stand out as a surprisingly reasonable government policy, an unusual thing for the nanny state. Though I also understand that their pubs have been regulated to death, so there's that.

That Health cards are not usable is retarded- they have your photo like a driver license and even include your address, some of them. AND A farkING HOLOGRAM jeezus.

What, now you need a farking passport to go to a concert?
KMFA

TheYeti [TotalFark]: Bring proper ID and STFU.

The problem is, when it comes to these sorts of high-steroid-count/low-IQ "authorities" there can still be problems. I don't drive and haven't had a driver's license for 15 years. I carry a U.S. Passport when I go out in Texas and I've been refused service.

Him: Can I see some ID?
Me: Yeah, sure (dig out passport), here.
H: What's that?
M: (I point to the bottom part that reads "passport" in all caps.)
H: I need a driver's license.
M: This is issued by the Federal Government. It's valid ID. It's good in Germany. It's good in Russia. International ID. It's good. See these stamps? Look, here's my birthdate. 1967.
H: You look young to me.
M: The law's not how old I look, it's how old I am. Look, 1967.
H: You could've made this yourself.
M: Christ, how many balding, bearded teenagers with beer guts do you get in here trying to buy Knob Creek with a fake passport?


Which is to say I'm in my 40s, and while I have generally looked young for my age, there's no mistaking me for an underage drinker. He would not serve me, because his experience was so limited that he had never seen a passport, and he wasn't willing the consider that there were alternatives to the rule he was used to that were equally valid.

It seems these "security" had the same mind-set, a contempt for people who don't so things the way they expect, scorn for those who don't fit their limited view of how things are supposed to be. While definitely they had the right to take the girls' beers away if they couldn't show "proper" ID, they should've been able to grasp that they were with their mother, who normally would be considered a source of authority regarding her daughters and should be trusted to say their ages. Combined with the "unofficial" ID they should have realized they were pissing on a candle in the name of safety. They certainly didn't have the right to eject anyone from the show unless they were causing some other sort of problem not mentioned in the article, because they had not one bit of proof these girls were breaking any rules and some evidence they were not.

soseussme: They certainly didn't have the right to eject anyone from the show unless they were causing some other sort of problem not mentioned in the article

I agree with pretty much everything you said there, but I have to nitpick about this. These bouncers are not cops in a park. They could kick them out for pretty much any reason they wanted aside from a few legally prohibited ones like race.

It really is not that hard to subvert security or cops. When they confront you be cordial and responsive. Like it or not, you are dealing with someone who can ruin your night. If you want to be a wiseacre, fine but you may get tossed. I am not the only Farker who was fair, honest, and even with the police or security and been allowed to continue with the show, drive home, or not get arrested. Seriously, be cool and cognicent and the most they'll do is ask you to toss your beer or weed. It is the blowhard assholes who get taken in.

soseussme:
M: Christ, how many balding, bearded teenagers with beer guts do you get in here trying to buy Knob Creek with a fake passport?

I used to stop at the same gas station every day to buy cigarettes. I got carded about two out of three times going there and got to giving the same answer every time:

What? Is it the gray hair? Is it the gut? The general disdain for humanity? Which of these obvious telltale signs says "this man could probably be seventeen years old?" They still card me every time I stop by.

Godscrack: fta: Says Kate: "People were smoking joints all over the place"

That's a ball face lie. NIN fans are good, patriotic christian souls.

Ahem.

Did you mean a bald-faced lie?

soseussme: TheYeti [TotalFark]: Bring proper ID and STFU.

The problem is, when it comes to these sorts of high-steroid-count/low-IQ "authorities" there can still be problems. I don't drive and haven't had a driver's license for 15 years. I carry a U.S. Passport when I go out in Texas and I've been refused service.

Him: Can I see some ID?
Me: Yeah, sure (dig out passport), here.
H: What's that?
M: (I point to the bottom part that reads "passport" in all caps.)
H: I need a driver's license.
M: This is issued by the Federal Government. It's valid ID. It's good in Germany. It's good in Russia. International ID. It's good. See these stamps? Look, here's my birthdate. 1967.
H: You look young to me.
M: The law's not how old I look, it's how old I am. Look, 1967.
H: You could've made this yourself.
M: Christ, how many balding, bearded teenagers with beer guts do you get in here trying to buy Knob Creek with a fake passport?


Which is to say I'm in my 40s, and while I have generally looked young for my age, there's no mistaking me for an underage drinker. He would not serve me, because his experience was so limited that he had never seen a passport, and he wasn't willing the consider that there were alternatives to the rule he was used to that were equally valid.

It seems these "security" had the same mind-set, a contempt for people who don't so things the way they expect, scorn for those who don't fit their limited view of how things are supposed to be. While definitely they had the right to take the girls' beers away if they couldn't show "proper" ID, they should've been able to grasp that they were with their mother, who normally would be considered a source of authority regarding her daughters and should be trusted to say their ages. Combined with the "unofficial" ID they should have realized they were pissing on a candle in the name of safety. They certainly didn't have the right to eject anyone from the show unless they were causing some other sort of problem not mentioned in the article, because they had not one bit of proof these girls were breaking any rules and some evidence they were not.

Funny, had the same conversation in Santa Rosa with a Swedish passport.
"It has to have a color photo"
"It's a PASSPORT, got me into the US so it should work here!"
Didn't work, morons

Sorry, not state issued id, not legal. if she IS underage, and they accepted that as id, the venue could be massively fined and held liable.

(did door check for private parties for a while. if we let iffy ids passed and served them, we would have spent the night in jail should cops have shown and checked ids. )

I pretty much agree with davynelson and soseussme. I can`t drive because of my eyesight and for years I used my health card. I was told that my Ontario health card was as good as a driver`s license for ID purposes. I have even used it to cross the border into the US with minimal problems (usually of the "Son, do you mind telling me why you don`t have a driver`s license?" variety)

But I have a feeling that since the Molson Amphitheatre got hit with an alcohol license suspension last year, they have told the bouncers to be more hard-ass than usual.

/still, there are better ways than automatic ejection.
//friggen keyboard converted to French while writing this.
///Speaking of, hey Fark admins, that chichou.com ad that`s being served to us in Quebec isn`t exactly SFW. Just sayin'

AgonistAlex: Sorry, not state issued id, not legal. if she IS underage, and they accepted that as id, the venue could be massively fined and held liable.

(did door check for private parties for a while. if we let iffy ids passed and served them, we would have spent the night in jail should cops have shown and checked ids. )

I would expect that to vary by County, maybe even by City/Village.
Heck, in Chicago, the time that you can serve until depends on who you paid off when you got your liquor license.

soseussme: TheYeti [TotalFark]: Bring proper ID and STFU.

The problem is, when it comes to these sorts of high-steroid-count/low-IQ "authorities" there can still be problems. I don't drive and haven't had a driver's license for 15 years. I carry a U.S. Passport when I go out in Texas and I've been refused service.


Mine went something like this in Dallas last year:

Him: Can I see some ID?
Me: Yeah, sure (dig out Texas driver's license)here.
H: Its expired, I can't accept this?
M: So?
H: I need a valid driver's license.
M: I'm not driving. Look, here's my birthdate. 1976.
H: You look young to me. I can't let you in.

I go to my car and retrieve my temporary paper license that can be easily duplicated and does not have my photo.

M: (Showing only the paper license)This good enough?
H: OK, You can go in now.

Damn, after RTFA... I would have sat down and told them to call the police to get me to move. If they forcibly ejected me, I'd call the local police non-emergency number to have a record of it, and maybe get back in.

/unless I had a reason to avoid police involvement :)
//don't know if things work different in Canada

" Kate flashes her health card. It has her photo and her birth date in March of 1988.

I know that makes her 21, because my son Jackson was born in 1990 and a few days ago, on his 19th birthday, I bought him his first legal beer in Halifax. "

Is the writer trying to be funny here, or does she really not know how to calculate a person's age simply from his year of birth?

I've always had a question about rock concerts... I've been to a ton, what's the unofficial rule about marijuana at concerts?

I go to DTE Energy a lot (Pine Knob) and everyone is smoking... pipes, joints... whatever. I saw Jane's Addiciton a few days ago and Perry was smoking a joint right on stage with cops/security standing around watching him.

This goes for every venue, indoor and outdoor.

They get mad at cameras and sneaking in food, but smoke em' if you got em'.

I wouldn't blame the bouncer - he's just doing his job and wouldn't risk getting fired over something like this. T

Now, a health card may not be official ID. But surely, it's a pretty good clue that you're of age.

It doesn't matter. You must follow the rules.
Drinking is a privilege, not a right. And like most privileges, you must be prepared to prove you can legally do carry it out.
For example, you may not drive without the proper identification. You may not practice medicine without the proper certification.
Likewise, you may not drink without proper ID.

I was not allowed to drink when I saw NIN [in Mass] on Wednesday, because I have a New York license that has expired. I ordered a new license which hasn't come in yet, and currently hold a temporary license.
Because a license is expired, its no longer valid. A temporary license has no photo on it and can't be used to purchase alcohol. I was out of luck as far as alcohol is concerned.

The only thing is - why couldn't they just get into the venue without alcohol? They could've emptied the beverages and just entered dry. This wouldn't violate any rules and the bouncer would've done his job correctly.

My guess is that the woman was a biatch and put up a big fuss.

OHIP cards aren't official ID?

OHIP cards are not considered ID because your medical information -- all of it, including your OHIP number -- is considered private and confidential.

Flab: OHIP cards aren't official ID?

Not since PIPEDA - too many privacy/security issues.

Three options in Ontario:

1) Driver's License
2) Age of majority card obtained through the LCBO
3) Valid passport

*if any are expired, no go

The law is simple to understand - ignorance is not an excuse. The bouncer is protecting the venue's liquor license - worth millions of dollars per event. No matter how much you wine, no id, no drinky.

ne2d: $300 for a concert ticket? Welcome to dinosaur-ville, Trent; population: you.

I paid 80 for mine for Mansfield, MA. Premium seating!!
Last year, I paid something like 40 and got even BETTER seating at an indoor venue in Worcester for NIN. We were about 15 feet from the stage.

Two years before that we saw NIN in Saratoga for something like 60 dollars.

/Last year's show was much better. The show was postponed and NIN made up for it by playing for about 3 hours non-stop, and bringing out Peter Murphy for the encore.
// No crazy light-show this year. NIN played about an hour and a half before Jane's Addiction. JA was meh.

Are we really discussing Canadian money here?

SpinStopper: I can see the proper ID thing and how Security can get sticky about it if they want to, but the women should have just lost their beers and been allowed to stay.

When I worked as a doorman/bouncer that's what we'd do. It happened, folks would buy a beer, take a seat, pass it on to their friend then go buy another. We'd take the drink away from the underage one and let it go. Sure we had the "but my daddy is powerful, I'll see you in court" types but unless they got obnoxious about it we'd let it slide. If you ran your mouth out you'd go. I'm guessing that Mom (and maybe the daughters) ran her mouth.

HempHead: Him: Can I see some ID?
Me: Yeah, sure (dig out Texas driver's license)here.
H: Its expired, I can't accept this?
M: So?
H: I need a valid driver's license.
M: I'm not driving. Look, here's my birthdate. 1976.
H: You look young to me. I can't let you in.

I go to my car and retrieve my temporary paper license that can be easily duplicated and does not have my photo.

M: (Showing only the paper license)This good enough?
H: OK, You can go in now.

technically, the guy's in the right. Not that I have much room to talk, as I would largely just ask for the birthdate of the person buying cigs when I worked Customer service. (ABC pawns can't lie about their age.)

Churchill2004: For a good example of how to do it, see England. Their drinking age laws (or lack thereof) stand out as a surprisingly reasonable government policy, an unusual thing for the nanny state. Though I also understand that their pubs have been regulated to death, so there's that.

But in practice, even Britain knows they have a horrible problem with under-age drinking, binge drinking, crime associated with drinking..etc, etc. The World Heath Organization calls them out as well.

Britain is not a good model to bring up in regards to responsible drinking culture.

Germany, France, Italy? Maybe. Britain? No way.

I'd have to agree with the bouncers here.. a driver's license, a BYID card (essentially an age of majority card), a passport -- these are all valid forms of ID. A health card is not. I've seen people get turned away from a casino for the same reasons, and these are not new rules.. If you can't bring acceptable ID, don't expect to be allowed to drink.

Uhhh no, a passport should be accepted. My wife is Thai and what are they going to do if they refuse her passport? Read her Thai ID which is written in Thai script and uses the Buddhist year?

They see the birth year of 2521 and I tell them she is from the future, where Asians are our overlords.