Cheney and the Republicans would benefit tremendously if a terror attack happened on Obama's watch.

In the language of Fox News: There are those that believe that Republicans would go as far as to try to cause a terror attack on Obama's watch. This would benefit their cause far greater than any win at the polls.

First Cheney won't STFU, now Jimmy Carter's chiming in?

This calls for another bowl of popcorn.

How soon submitter forgets the lessons the Somali pirates learned.

Carter is level headed and practical. This is good.

SilentStrider: How soon submitter forgets the lessons the Somali pirates learned.

That Obama doesn't care about black people?

NO ONE GIVES A FLYING FRACK ABOUT CARTER.

Geez. WTF is wrong with you people?

PC LOAD LETTER:

Geez. WTF is wrong with you people?

Are you expecting a rational answer?

We had a hostage crisis. Near Somalia. Obama's definitely no Jimmy Carter.

so i guess we're just basically ignoring the hostage situation in north korea since the women don't look like "us"?

oh hello laura ling and euna lee

Carter helped achieve the Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty. Nobody's perfect but come on, can you do better?

PC LOAD LETTER: NO ONE GIVES A FLYING FRACK ABOUT CARTER.

Geez. WTF is wrong with you people?

Many people care about Carter. He's the worst President in the history of our Republic. Bush is a close second.

Nem Wan: Carter helped achieve the Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty. Nobody's perfect but come on, can you do better?

A whole lot of people try to gloss over that.

Alphax: Nem Wan: Carter helped achieve the Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty. Nobody's perfect but come on, can you do better?

A whole lot of people try to gloss over that.

gloss over that thing that clearly didn't happen and is obviously and invention of the ACORN owned media? What ever do you mean?

godofusa.com: Many people care about Carter. He's the worst President in the history of our Republic. Bush is a close second.

Carter invented Reaganomics, fought for Bob Jones' right to ban blacks from their university, poisoned relations between democrats and republicans forever, wasted our budget on the Star Wars program, funded Contra rebels, funded Saddam Hussein, poisoned the attitudes in the middle east towards the US, broke the unions thereby starting off the illegal immigration problem, and based the survival of US hostages on whether or not he was elected?

TripleK: godofusa.com: Many people care about Carter. He's the worst President in the history of our Republic. Bush is a close second.

Carter invented Reaganomics, fought for Bob Jones' right to ban blacks from their university, poisoned relations between democrats and republicans forever, wasted our budget on the Star Wars program, funded Contra rebels, funded Saddam Hussein, poisoned the attitudes in the middle east towards the US, broke the unions thereby starting off the illegal immigration problem, and based the survival of US hostages on whether or not he was elected?

Why you gotta dis on Calvin Coolidge, jerk?

TripleK: godofusa.com: Many people care about Carter. He's the worst President in the history of our Republic. Bush is a close second.

Carter invented Reaganomics, fought for Bob Jones' right to ban blacks from their university, poisoned relations between democrats and republicans forever, wasted our budget on the Star Wars program, funded Contra rebels, funded Saddam Hussein, poisoned the attitudes in the middle east towards the US, broke the unions thereby starting off the illegal immigration problem, and based the survival of US hostages on whether or not he was elected?

I've always thought Carter got a thoroughly bad rap. He wasn't the best president in recent memory, but he's the only moral one in my lifetime. He tried hard but had the misfortune to be president when Iran had its revolution. Not his fault. And then Reagan (as amoral as they come) organized his October Surprise, and Carter took the blame again.

I'd just like to hear someone name me one decent and effective Republican president since Theodore Roosevelt. Harding? Coolidge? Hoover? Eisenhower? (Not quite.) Nixon? (Second only to Bush the 2nd as a disgrace to the White House.) Reagan? (Not even close.) Bush the 1st? (Gimme a break.)

Jimmy Carter was on the money about alternative sources of energy. Jimmy Carter was called naive and stupid when it came to his foreign dealings, but St. Ronnie's Afghan/Iran/Latin American meddlings was A-OK?

All attempts to talk shiat about him, especially by those who worked so earnestly to sabotage him, is nothing but 'we write the history books' whaaaaaaargarbl.

TripleK: godofusa.com: Many people care about Carter. He's the worst President in the history of our Republic. Bush is a close second.

Carter invented Reaganomics, fought for Bob Jones' right to ban blacks from their university, poisoned relations between democrats and republicans forever, wasted our budget on the Star Wars program, funded Contra rebels, funded Saddam Hussein, poisoned the attitudes in the middle east towards the US, broke the unions thereby starting off the illegal immigration problem, and based the survival of US hostages on whether or not he was elected?


Not to mention lowering taxes on the rich to help out his Hollywood buddies which have since been responsible for increasing the disparity between rich and poor to levels unseen since the 1800s, funding the Taliban, and beginning the deregulation of the banking industry which led to the latest financial collapse.

mksmith: TripleK: godofusa.com: Many people care about Carter. He's the worst President in the history of our Republic. Bush is a close second.

Carter invented Reaganomics, fought for Bob Jones' right to ban blacks from their university, poisoned relations between democrats and republicans forever, wasted our budget on the Star Wars program, funded Contra rebels, funded Saddam Hussein, poisoned the attitudes in the middle east towards the US, broke the unions thereby starting off the illegal immigration problem, and based the survival of US hostages on whether or not he was elected?

I've always thought Carter got a thoroughly bad rap. He wasn't the best president in recent memory, but he's the only moral one in my lifetime. He tried hard but had the misfortune to be president when Iran had its revolution. Not his fault. And then Reagan (as amoral as they come) organized his October Surprise, and Carter took the blame again.

I'd just like to hear someone name me one decent and effective Republican president since Theodore Roosevelt. Harding? Coolidge? Hoover? Eisenhower? (Not quite.) Nixon? (Second only to Bush the 2nd as a disgrace to the White House.) Reagan? (Not even close.) Bush the 1st? (Gimme a break.)

well his role in helping bring to an end of the Cold War is pretty important. Kind of hard to argue with success in that regard isn't it?

Of course being politics on FARK I expect no one to not be super partisan and democrat presidents aren't exactly saints either.

Nem Wan: Carter helped achieve the Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty. Nobody's perfect but come on, can you do better?

Even that achievment was only reached by the US throwing billions of dollars at both sides, and sidling up to some truly foul people during the negotiations - Ceausescu of Romania, most notably. Read up on that Stalinist piece of shiat, and then tell me how the Nobel committee has any credibility at all giving a Peace Prize to a man who in all sincerity said:

Our goals are the same, to have a just system of economics and politics, to let the people of the world share in growth, in peace, in personal freedom, and in the benefits to be derived from the proper utilization of natural resources. We believe in enhancing human rights. We believe that we should enhance, as independent nations, the freedom of our own people.

Our goals are the same, to have a just system of economics and politics, to let the people of the world share in growth, in peace, in personal freedom, and in the benefits to be derived from the proper utilization of natural resources. We believe in enhancing human rights. We believe that we should enhance, as independent nations, the freedom of our own people.

Ceausecu was about the biggest monster there was among the Soviet puppets, but even then Carter could be relied upon to knob-gobble.

Carter also helped achieve getting Robert Mugabe into power. Welcomed him to the White House. (Yes, we did know what a shiat Mugabe was back then, but for Carter human rights goes under the bus when there's voting blocs to be courted.)

He also sold arms to the Indonesian dictatorship committing genocide in East Timor.

Greenlit the Kwangju Massacre in South Korea.

On and on and farking on it has gone like this with Carter, for over 30 years.

b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but Bush Ford Nixon Reagan? Unlike Carter, nobody seriously tries selling any of them as some kind of diplomatic Mister Rogers. Carter's the one who's sold as the farking Prince of Peace. Guarantor of human rights and all that BS. And yet he shiats all over human rights at nearly every opportunity.

TripleK: godofusa.com: Many people care about Carter. He's the worst President in the history of our Republic. Bush is a close second.

Carter invented Reaganomics, fought for Bob Jones' right to ban blacks from their university, poisoned relations between democrats and republicans forever, wasted our budget on the Star Wars program, funded Contra rebels, funded Saddam Hussein, poisoned the attitudes in the middle east towards the US, broke the unions thereby starting off the illegal immigration problem, and based the survival of US hostages on whether or not he was elected?


Unions back illegals. At least, now they do. Was Reagan's fight with unions really the cause? Democrats support illegals ...... some folks blame Ted Kennedy for the situation as it stands now.

Other folks blame Reagan's 1986 Amnesty Act: "Reagan signed the bill after Republicans and Democrats cobbled together an amnesty program in response to concerns from farmers worried about harvesting profits. The official record of congressional debates shows that lawmakers intended the program to provide a steady supply of labor for growers of perishable crops, such as cherries, grapes, peaches, etc. At the time the bill was written, however, "perishable" was defined so loosely that more durable crops such as potted plants, tobacco and seedlings were lumped in as well.

So even at the start, this program could be interpreted in ways that would benefit employers looking to save on wages. "

So was it Reagan who broke the unions.................. or farmers? What exactly happened here? especially since the 'beefed up border security didn't happen? (But the war on Drugs did -- different subject, I know.)

mksmith:
I'd just like to hear someone name me one decent and effective Republican president since Theodore Roosevelt. Harding? Coolidge? Hoover? Eisenhower? (Not quite.) Nixon? (Second only to Bush the 2nd as a disgrace to the White House.) Reagan? (Not even close.) Bush the 1st? (Gimme a break.)

Who is Democrat counter? FDR interned Asian-Americans. Truman murdered 100 thousand Japanese civilians. Kennedy got us into Vietnam. Johnson escalated the situation. Carter... well, let's just face it, justified or not you just aren't gonna win that argument. And the Clintons are the absolute worst 50% +1 political poisoning scumbags around today.

coma: mksmith:
I'd just like to hear someone name me one decent and effective Republican president since Theodore Roosevelt. Harding? Coolidge? Hoover? Eisenhower? (Not quite.) Nixon? (Second only to Bush the 2nd as a disgrace to the White House.) Reagan? (Not even close.) Bush the 1st? (Gimme a break.)

Who is Democrat counter? FDR interned Asian-Americans. Truman murdered 100 thousand Japanese civilians. Kennedy got us into Vietnam. Johnson escalated the situation. Carter... well, let's just face it, justified or not you just aren't gonna win that argument. And the Clintons are the absolute worst 50% +1 political poisoning scumbags around today.

Earl Warren was most responsible for interring the japanese, not FDR.

godofusa.com: PC LOAD LETTER: NO ONE GIVES A FLYING FRACK ABOUT CARTER.

Geez. WTF is wrong with you people?

Many people care about Carter. He's the worst President in the history of our Republic. Bush is a close second.

Nope, that would be James Buchanan.

Know your history.

holiday_inn_in_cambodia: coma: mksmith:
I'd just like to hear someone name me one decent and effective Republican president since Theodore Roosevelt. Harding? Coolidge? Hoover? Eisenhower? (Not quite.) Nixon? (Second only to Bush the 2nd as a disgrace to the White House.) Reagan? (Not even close.) Bush the 1st? (Gimme a break.)

Who is Democrat counter? FDR interned Asian-Americans. Truman murdered 100 thousand Japanese civilians. Kennedy got us into Vietnam. Johnson escalated the situation. Carter... well, let's just face it, justified or not you just aren't gonna win that argument. And the Clintons are the absolute worst 50% +1 political poisoning scumbags around today.

Earl Warren was most responsible for interring the japanese, not FDR.


I think the decision to imprison a large portion of the populace just might have to go through the president. And any president who would sit around and let it happen, waving his hands around in helpless defenselessness certainly wouldn't seem very effective or decent; just really lame.

godofusa.com: PC LOAD LETTER: NO ONE GIVES A FLYING FRACK ABOUT CARTER.

Geez. WTF is wrong with you people?

Many people care about Carter. He's the worst President in the history of our Republic. Bush is a close second.

bush is easily the worst. the worst by miles. harding, nixon and buchanan are probably next. carter isn't even in the bottom half. but go ahead - keep banging that drum!

kpottruff: mksmith: TripleK: godofusa.com: Many people care about Carter. He's the worst President in the history of our Republic. Bush is a close second.

Carter invented Reaganomics, fought for Bob Jones' right to ban blacks from their university, poisoned relations between democrats and republicans forever, wasted our budget on the Star Wars program, funded Contra rebels, funded Saddam Hussein, poisoned the attitudes in the middle east towards the US, broke the unions thereby starting off the illegal immigration problem, and based the survival of US hostages on whether or not he was elected?

I've always thought Carter got a thoroughly bad rap. He wasn't the best president in recent memory, but he's the only moral one in my lifetime. He tried hard but had the misfortune to be president when Iran had its revolution. Not his fault. And then Reagan (as amoral as they come) organized his October Surprise, and Carter took the blame again.

I'd just like to hear someone name me one decent and effective Republican president since Theodore Roosevelt. Harding? Coolidge? Hoover? Eisenhower? (Not quite.) Nixon? (Second only to Bush the 2nd as a disgrace to the White House.) Reagan? (Not even close.) Bush the 1st? (Gimme a break.)

well his role in helping bring to an end of the Cold War is pretty important. Kind of hard to argue with success in that regard isn't it?

Of course being politics on FARK I expect no one to not be super partisan and democrat presidents aren't exactly saints either.

Soviet Union would have collapsed no matter who was President. Reagan didn't greatly help or hinder that process.

And no, the Democrats weren't saints (well, Carter is probably our most moral president, not the best but one of the most principled), but they weren't ALL farkups. The closest things Republicans have to a non-criminal President since Eisenhower is H.W. Bush, and he still did tons of nasty shiat as VP before he was president. And Ford, I guess, but I am not too knowledgeable of the Ford Administration.

Very high level officials in Nixon's administration, Reagan's Administration, and W's administration all did things that should land them jailtime, which either means they were competent enough to control their underlings or they authorized the criminal actions themselves. Watergate, Iran Contra, warrentless wiretapping and torture, that is the legacy of the last three Republican two term presidents. Clinton is sleezy, but doesn't come close. Carter was inefficient and got played like a fiddle by the Republicans, but that's not criminal, and he negotiated a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel. Johnson. . . Johnson was a scumbag hawk, but he at least fought for civil rights when he knew it would be a huge detriment to him and his party. Compare and contrast with Republicans who were also very hawkish but decided to pander to segregationists.

The Republican party has been nasty for a long time. Hopefully as soon as most of the Nixonites and Reaganites die off things will get better, but I'm afraid they've trained young replacements.

RemyDuron: And Ford, I guess, but I am not too knowledgeable of the Ford Administration.

Ford was a placeholder after Nixon. I'm sure that he was a nice guy and all of that, but there was no way that he was going to be able to do much of anything for good or ill.

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RemyDuron: Carter is probably our most moral president, not the best but one of the most principled

He is a sanctimonious phony.

You tell me how somebody who is moral and principled can stand next to a dictator like Ceausescu and pour honeyed words over him.

Let's have a quick peek at Ceausescu's biography:

1966 - New laws are introduced to engineer an increase in the size of Romania's population. "The foetus is the property of the entire society," Ceausescu states, "Anyone who avoids having children is a deserter who abandons the laws of national continuity."

Abortion and contraception are outlawed, childless couples face higher taxes, divorce is discouraged, and sex education prohibited. The birth-rate almost doubles, but is accompanied by a leap in infant mortality and unwanted pregnancies, with the rising numbers of handicapped, orphaned and abandoned children being placed in decrepit institutions under state care. After the fall of Ceausescu in 1989 over 100,000 handicapped and orphaned children are discovered living in horrific conditions.

During the 1960s the regime also begins planning for urban and rural "systematisation". To provide a labour pool for new industries while increasing the amount of land available for farming and the state's capacity for social control, over 11 million people are to be resettled from private houses in about 7,000 villages to apartment buildings in 550 standardised "agro-industrial centres". Ethnic minorities will be forced to assimilate.

In Bucharest, 10,000 hectares near the city's centre is to be cleared for a massive reconstruction project that will include a grand boulevard and a 'Palace of the People'.

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1968 - In April Ceausescu cautions intellectuals and artists not to overstep the mark of permissible free expression. By 1971 he has completely reasserted neo-Stalinist policies on economic and social control. Freedom of speech is limited and the media is controlled. It is even illegal to own a typewriter without an official licence. The Securitate suppress all political opposition.

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1970s - Ceausescu continues to concentrate power at the top of the party structure. The military and security forces are overhauled, thousands of managers and officials are removed and replaced with his protégés, party and state structures are blended, and the media is manipulated with "patriotic commercials" to promote his personality cult.

In the early 1970s Ceausescu begins to travel widely abroad. He visits China and North Korea in June 1971, meeting with the leaders Mao Tse-Tung and Kim Il Sung. In April 1972 year he travels to Egypt, where he meets with Egyptian President Anwar Sadat and Palestine Liberation Organisation head Yasir 'Arafat. The following month Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir journeys to Romania for talks with Ceausescu.

(Basically, what was going on between Israel and Romania is that Ceausescu wanted to be rid of its Jews one way or another...but wasn't about to just let them leave. Israel opted to purchase the Romanian Jews' freedom rather than let them rot there. Make of that what you will.)

1974 - Voters "elect" Ceausescu president of the republic in March. He further tightens his control of government by placing trusted allies and members of his immediate family, including his wife, three brothers, a son, and a brother-in-law, in strategic party and government posts - a policy that comes to be known in the West as "dynastic socialism".

Meanwhile, Ceausescu's personality cult is increasingly boosted by the state-controlled media, which lionises him as the greatest genius of the age, the 'Genius of the Carpathians', the 'Danube of Thought', the "guarantor of the nation's progress and independence", the "visionary architect of the nation's future". His presidency is described as the "golden era of Ceausescu".

However, while the first years of Ceausescu's reign do see a continuation of the spectacular levels of industrial development achieved under the Stalinist programs adopted by Gheorghiu-Dej, overcapitalisation and economic mismanagement leave the country with excess production capacity and a mounting foreign debt at a time when world market prices for industrial products are experiencing a downturn.

Growth falls from highs of 10% per annum in the early 1970s to 3% in 1980 as spending far outpaces income. By the end of the 1970s Romania's international debt is approaching US$10 billion.

Ceausescu attempts to blame the West for the predicament, accusing it of economic imperialism. The subsequent deterioration of relations with the West is exacerbated as Romania's human rights record becomes an increasing concern.


And that would be right about the time when Carter shows up to blow smoke up the world's ass about what a swell guy Ceausescu is.

In light of Ceausescu's record, please do explain to us how it is moral and principled for Carter to have hailed the thoroughly evil Ceausescu as a human-rights luminary.

And then you can explain how it was moral and principled for him to have done the same for the benefit of a savage like Robert Mugabe, throwing a democratically-elected black-majority government under the bus in the process.

After that in the bullpen there are another fifteen or twenty tyrants who benefitted from Carter's largesse.

Jimmy Carter is the second worst president/ex-president we have ever had, and the only reason he misses the bottom spot is because John Tyler turned traitor and joined the Confederacy.

Reagan extended the cold war by pouring money and hate into USSR/USA relations while Gorbachev was saying, "The cold war is over, we can't afford it."

Serious or troll? You decide.

coma: I think the decision to imprison a large portion of the populace just might have to go through the president. And any president who would sit around and let it happen, waving his hands around in helpless defenselessness certainly wouldn't seem very effective or decent; just really lame.

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"Ceausescu's stance towards the Soviet Union wins him considerable support from the West, with then United States President Richard M. Nixon visiting Romania in August 1969. In 1975 the US grants Romania most-favoured-nation trading status.

Romania is also admitted into such international organisations as the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank, and the Nonaligned Movement."

from your linky.

nixon, before carter, played ball.

your selective memory is showing.

carter is a good man, who dealt with a shiatty world.

-it's business as usual.

Bauer: nixon, before carter, played ball.

your selective memory is showing.

carter is a good man, who dealt with a shiatty world.

By bung-licking the worst sort of tyrants?

There may have been a need to play ball, as you say. There was no need to kiss ass. What happened to the liberal virtue of speaking truth to power, anyway?

To turn to another topic, Carter actively pushed for Mugabe above the duly-elected Muzorewa government in Zimbabwe. Just one example where he did not merely play ball, he got directly behind the wrong horse and yelled giddy-up. Under Carter, bringer of peace, our nation greeted Robert Mugabe with an honor guard. And then Carter spoke:

'A notable world leader, exemplifying the finest aspects of humanity in achieving liberty and justice based on freedom and decency, and a result which thrills the whole world'

Carter on Mugabe, 1980.

Another example of Carter's perfidy: 29 years ago last month, pro-democracy students were protesting the military dictatorship of South Korea. The generals started getting itchy trigger fingers, but they couldn't simply start mowing down students without clueing in the Carter administration as to their plans.

Carter gave the green light to wipe them out. Then pretended to be shocked.

Carter is every bit the fraud and liar Nixon was, and even more of a fool.

Gulper Eel: By bung-licking the worst sort of tyrants?
Like this?


or like this?

TheBigJerk: Reagan extended the cold war by pouring money and hate into USSR/USA relations while Gorbachev was saying, "The cold war is over, we can't afford it."

Serious or troll? You decide.

I call troll. Regan was our greatest president and didn't need gorbachev's whining to end the cold war. everyone knew the only way the Cold war would end would be on our terms, not theirs. The soviets caused so much pain and suffering for so many in the world over those 40+ years that there was no way we were going to suddenly call "truce" with our enemy. Who cares if they were bankrupt? my philosophy with the Soviets is similar to my one with all these corp. asking for bailouts after screwing billions our of their money, just b/c you are out of money doesn't suddenly wipe clean the slate. you will pay for your crimes. The way Regan handled the cold war was appropriate, make the soviets not just give up, but never EVER want to do it again. It's how we need to handle our terrorist enemies today: you hurt our people on 9/11, we will imprison and torture you all until you promise never to do it again! Obama is setting us up for failure with his Carter-esque namby-pamby foreign policy. we're screwed.

Existensial dyslexia: I call troll. Regan was our greatest president and didn't need gorbachev's whining to end the cold war. everyone knew the only way the Cold war would end would be on our terms, not theirs. The soviets caused so much pain and suffering for so many in the world over those 40+ years that there was no way we were going to suddenly call "truce" with our enemy. Who cares if they were bankrupt? my philosophy with the Soviets is similar to my one with all these corp. asking for bailouts after screwing billions our of their money, just b/c you are out of money doesn't suddenly wipe clean the slate. you will pay for your crimes. The way Regan handled the cold war was appropriate, make the soviets not just give up, but never EVER want to do it again. It's how we need to handle our terrorist enemies today: you hurt our people on 9/11, we will imprison and torture you all until you promise never to do it again! Obama is setting us up for failure with his Carter-esque namby-pamby foreign policy. we're screwed.

Now THAT'S a troll!

For Zul'Jin!!

PC LOAD LETTER: godofusa.com: PC LOAD LETTER: NO ONE GIVES A FLYING FRACK ABOUT CARTER.

Geez. WTF is wrong with you people?

Many people care about Carter. He's the worst President in the history of our Republic. Bush is a close second.

Nope, that would be James Buchanan.

Know your history.

Waiting for that. Thank you!

andrewmoriarty: Like this? (rummy)

Please try to keep caught-up. I handed the inevitable but-Bush many posts ago - and besides, our fool of a former president still has 22 years to go to catch up to Carter's record of stumblebummery.

or like this? (yalta)

An alliance of necessity given the circumstances, as opposed to an alliance borne of Carter's incessant need for flattery.

You'll also note that FDR is looking at Churchill and not Stalin. Carter and Brezhnev were far more amicable:



Geez, you two, get a room.

holiday_inn_in_cambodia: coma: mksmith:
I'd just like to hear someone name me one decent and effective Republican president since Theodore Roosevelt. Harding? Coolidge? Hoover? Eisenhower? (Not quite.) Nixon? (Second only to Bush the 2nd as a disgrace to the White House.) Reagan? (Not even close.) Bush the 1st? (Gimme a break.)

Who is Democrat counter? FDR interned Asian-Americans. Truman murdered 100 thousand Japanese civilians. Kennedy got us into Vietnam. Johnson escalated the situation. Carter... well, let's just face it, justified or not you just aren't gonna win that argument. And the Clintons are the absolute worst 50% +1 political poisoning scumbags around today.

Earl Warren was most responsible for interring the japanese, not FDR.

Wrong; after FDR did it the Supreme Court (led by Warren) said it was OK.