But what does Floor Humper Man say?

Wow, they really did say that.

One way to attack these beliefs is by "demonstrating the contradictions that exist in their arguments and by getting the message out in the media," the CIA official observed. For example, he said, the fact that al-Qaida attacks actually kill more Muslims than non-Muslims.

This should be repeated over and over and over again to the Muslim world.

Realpolitik420: Wow, they really did say that.

One way to attack these beliefs is by "demonstrating the contradictions that exist in their arguments and by getting the message out in the media," the CIA official observed. For example, he said, the fact that al-Qaida attacks actually kill more Muslims than non-Muslims.

This should be repeated over and over and over again to the Muslim world.

Amen. They have done nothing but bring misery to the Muslim world. They prevent Muslims from receiving aid, capriciously kill their own for distinctly un-Muslim motives, and are a barrier on the road to peace.

Even if we accept that they may have legitimate beefs, terrorism is not the way to address them.

Uh oh.

Looks like Newsmax will be cast out of the fold now.

Jesus, do we really have to have the floorhumper on our side??

Realpolitik420

This should be repeated over and over and over again to the Muslim world

You convinced me. I'll loop it on tape and blast it from the external speakers of my Hummer. The one with the pork BBQ and wet bar in back with outlines of nekkid wimmen on the lift gate.

In other news, I need to start rolling with Marcus Aurelius
.

Realpolitik420: Wow, they really did say that.

One way to attack these beliefs is by "demonstrating the contradictions that exist in their arguments and by getting the message out in the media," the CIA official observed. For example, he said, the fact that al-Qaida attacks actually kill more Muslims than non-Muslims.

This should be repeated over and over and over again to the Muslim world.

Concur. Its what we should have been doing from the very beginning. Quiet, slow, entrenched peaceful education and discussion with anyone who would listen.

Realpolitik420: Wow, they really did say that.

One way to attack these beliefs is by "demonstrating the contradictions that exist in their arguments and by getting the message out in the media," the CIA official observed. For example, he said, the fact that al-Qaida attacks actually kill more Muslims than non-Muslims.

This should be repeated over and over and over again to the Muslim world.

Yes, but the ones getting killed aren't true Muslims. They are those filthy dog apostate Shiites, so its ok.

Find one thing people can agree upon, they will inevitably find 10 other things to kill each other over.

So Obama does bad and it's the Apocalypse, but when he does good it's also the Apocalypse?

I'm so confused.

B...bu....but what about the mustard and Broadway shows? Does this not count for anything anymore? What has this country come to?

PC LOAD LETTER: B...bu....but what about the mustard and Broadway shows? Does this not count for anything anymore? What has this country come to?

SocialistPrompTer.

I'm selling Apocalypse insurance cheap. I take paypal

Diogenes: So Obama does bad and it's the Apocalypse, but when he does good it's also the Apocalypse?

I'm so confused.

In short, we're all doomed.

Hobodeluxe: I'm selling Apocalypse insurance cheap. I take paypal

Didn't the Catholics try that and accidentally start the Reformation?

I was all like,

"I kinda agree with this article,"

and then it was all like,

As Obama said, "No single speech can eradicate years of mistrust." And actions should speak louder than words. After all, Bush liberated 50 million Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.

and then I was all like,

yogaFLAME: I was all like,

"I kinda agree with this article,"

and then it was all like,

As Obama said, "No single speech can eradicate years of mistrust." And actions should speak louder than words. After all, Bush liberated 50 million Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.

and then I was all like,

I'm just amazed that someone on NewsMax actually brought themselves admit that Obama did something right.

Mustafa Ayad, 34 yrs, father of two, accountant:



"I think Bush has dragged the reputation of America into the mud by his aggressive actions, and that Obama is trying to recapture that former presence it had in the minds and hearts of people all around the world. But he asks us to forgive and forget - that is too much. Forgive and forget a million Iraqis killed over the period of occupation? Forgive and forget the indignities and the humiliation of having to scuttle over to the pavement for the "Lords" to pass us on our streets? Forget - and forgive Abu Ghraib? And the list is long. I cannot forgive and forget my relatives who were killed, displaced or detained and humiliated for mere suspicion. We lost our homes, our livelihoods and our families most of whom fled. But in spite of that I am willing to listen. I am willing to give Obama the benefit of doubt. It remains to be seen what he can do to put my country back together."

The wrong way is to compromise our security by closing down the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay.

The wrong way is to release CIA interrogation memos that fuel recruitment of terrorists and undermine the morale of the CIA officers and FBI agents who are trying to protect us.

No, Newsmax still have their heads up their asses.

Hobodeluxe: Mustafa Ayad, 34 yrs, father of two, accountant:



"I think Bush has dragged the reputation of America into the mud by his aggressive actions, and that Obama is trying to recapture that former presence it had in the minds and hearts of people all around the world. But he asks us to forgive and forget - that is too much. Forgive and forget a million Iraqis killed over the period of occupation? Forgive and forget the indignities and the humiliation of having to scuttle over to the pavement for the "Lords" to pass us on our streets? Forget - and forgive Abu Ghraib? And the list is long. I cannot forgive and forget my relatives who were killed, displaced or detained and humiliated for mere suspicion. We lost our homes, our livelihoods and our families most of whom fled. But in spite of that I am willing to listen. I am willing to give Obama the benefit of doubt. It remains to be seen what he can do to put my country back together."

Therein lies the problem. The United States will need a couple generations (read: 4 to 6 more Presidents' worth) of consistent policy toward the Middle East for them to even begin to trust us or even look at us favorably. Our recent history in that region is so erratic and unpredictable, vacillating wildly with each new administration that comes along, and I have no reason to believe that will end anytime soon.

In the end, the voters are going to have to maintain this consistency. Also unlikely, especially when a single terrorist attack on our soil will send us over the cliff again.

I stop following the news, Fark, and the political blogodome for six months and now I come back and Little Green Footballs hates America and Newsmax agrees with Dr. President Barama Ogamababa.

What in sh*t's name happened?

sigdiamond2000: I stop following the news, Fark, and the political blogodome for six months and now I come back and Little Green Footballs hates America and Newsmax agrees with Dr. President Barama Ogamababa.

What in sh*t's name happened?

CHANGE(tm) Has Come to America, that's what.

make me some tea: CHANGE(tm) Has Come to America, that's what.

Is that why none of my pants fit me anymore?

sigdiamond2000: make me some tea: CHANGE(tm) Has Come to America, that's what.

Is that why none of my pants fit me anymore?

*shrig* I just got bigger pants.

Never wrestle a pig; everyone gets dirty and the pig likes it.

yogaFLAME: I was all like,

"I kinda agree with this article,"

and then it was all like,

As Obama said, "No single speech can eradicate years of mistrust." And actions should speak louder than words. After all, Bush liberated 50 million Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.

and then I was all like,

I have a classmate from Afghanistan who swears that George Bush is the greatest political leader in his nation's history (he would make Bush Afghanistan's president if he could) for getting rid of the Taliban. Never mind the fact that Bush didn't actually get rid of them.

make me some tea: sigdiamond2000: make me some tea: CHANGE(tm) Has Come to America, that's what.

Is that why none of my pants fit me anymore?

*shrig* I just got bigger pants.

In order to deal with change, your pants should have bigger pockets.

FOX News sure hated it though.

docmattic: In order to deal with change, your pants should have bigger pockets.

I'm working on that.

GypsyJoker: Never mind the fact that Bush didn't actually get rid of them.

He did as it relates to running the country, which is probably what your classmate was talking about. Perhaps you should listen to your classmates' thoughts and experiences about how Bush got rid of the Taliban rather than dismissing it out of hand. You know, your classmate actually knows what he is talking about (unlike you, apparently)

sigdiamond2000: I stop following the news, Fark, and the political blogodome for six months and now I come back and Little Green Footballs hates America and Newsmax agrees with Dr. President Barama Ogamababa.

What in sh*t's name happened?

As you are one of my faves, I hope you are back to stay.

Dr. President Barama Ogamababa!

Pure gold, Siggy, pure gold.

That puts the "Wha?" in the "Wharrgarbl"

OK, which one of you farkers divided by zero?

Realpolitik420: He did as it relates to running the country, which is probably what your classmate was talking about. Perhaps you should listen to your classmates' thoughts and experiences about how Bush got rid of the Taliban rather than dismissing it out of hand. You know, your classmate actually knows what he is talking about (unlike you, apparently)

Pff, let me know when they do something like THIS for Bush:

elchip:
Pff, let me know when they do something like THIS for Bush:

That's on the side of a porn shop.

make me some tea: sigdiamond2000: make me some tea: CHANGE(tm) Has Come to America, that's what.

Is that why none of my pants fit me anymore?

*shrig* I just got bigger pants.

I'm glad to see you're doing your part to stimulate the American economy.
Somewhere in American Samoa a 12 year old is working overtime to thank you.

OneNutSaloon: That's on the side of a porn shop.

You should see the poster below it.

gilgigamesh: In other news, I need to start rolling with Marcus Aurelius
.

ROFL

While I never regarded newsmax as a neocon outlet, this is a hopeful sign that the lunatic rightwing bloodthirsty fringe is being marginalized. I do listen to a lot of "conservative" radio, and even they are sort of split on Obama's speech. Some get it, and offer slightly muted applause, and others lament about Obama "kissing muslim's ass" and "betraying Israel" which is just freaking absurd.

Realpolitik420: GypsyJoker: Never mind the fact that Bush didn't actually get rid of them.

He did as it relates to running the country, which is probably what your classmate was talking about. Perhaps you should listen to your classmates' thoughts and experiences about how Bush got rid of the Taliban rather than dismissing it out of hand. You know, your classmate actually knows what he is talking about (unlike you, apparently)

Yeah, seriously, let's give Bush a break on this one. Afghanistan was one of the few things that he managed to not get completely wrong.

GypsyJoker: I have a classmate from Afghanistan who swears that George Bush is the greatest political leader in his nation's history (he would make Bush Afghanistan's president if he could) for getting rid of the Taliban.

think about how TERRIBLE things must have been, for bush to have been viewed as the great liberator

THAT is how bad things were

wolvernova: While I never regarded newsmax as a neocon outlet, this is a hopeful sign that the lunatic rightwing bloodthirsty fringe is being marginalized. I do listen to a lot of "conservative" radio, and even they are sort of split on Obama's speech. Some get it, and offer slightly muted applause, and others lament about Obama "kissing muslim's ass" and "betraying Israel" which is just freaking absurd.

You don't expect rationality out of that crowd do you? There are intelligent, rational conservatives. The Fox News type are not those. If Obama brought world peace Fox News would run story after story about how he must be the anti-Christ and how peace is ruining America.

America has gone from Evil to Chaotic Neutral.

GypsyJoker: I have a classmate from Afghanistan who swears that George Bush is the greatest political leader in his nation's history (he would make Bush Afghanistan's president if he could) for getting rid of the Taliban. Never mind the fact that Bush didn't actually get rid of them.

Exactly. If Bush was so great, he would have kept them out, not just said, "OK, distraction over" and whipped right back over to Iraq.

*Chaotic Evil to Chaotic Neutral

netweavr: *Chaotic Evil to Chaotic Neutral

"Chaotic" implies that they do what they do for no real reason whatsoever.

"Neutral" (on the Lawful/Chaotic axis) implies that they at least have a reason for their actions, so I'd say "NE" to "TN" if you're making the Evil to Neutral argument.

\ And "Lawful" implies that they do things for a greater purpose. LG = A crusader; LN = a judge; LE = a tyrant

Realpolitik420: GypsyJoker: Never mind the fact that Bush didn't actually get rid of them.

He did as it relates to running the country, which is probably what your classmate was talking about. Perhaps you should listen to your classmates' thoughts and experiences about how Bush got rid of the Taliban rather than dismissing it out of hand. You know, your classmate actually knows what he is talking about (unlike you, apparently)

I did listen to him, actually, and I appreciate his point-of-view on the matter. The fact is that the mission wasn't accomplished; scattering them to the hills just allowed them to regroup and come back, not only to continue being dangerous in Afghanistan but also to threaten Pakistan.

WorldCitizen: wolvernova: While I never regarded newsmax as a neocon outlet, this is a hopeful sign that the lunatic rightwing bloodthirsty fringe is being marginalized. I do listen to a lot of "conservative" radio, and even they are sort of split on Obama's speech. Some get it, and offer slightly muted applause, and others lament about Obama "kissing muslim's ass" and "betraying Israel" which is just freaking absurd.

You don't expect rationality out of that crowd do you? There are intelligent, rational conservatives. The Fox News type are not those. If Obama brought world peace Fox News would run story after story about how he must be the anti-Christ and how peace is ruining America.

I just wonder at what point guys like Sean Hannity and Mark Levin might stop and think "gee, maybe we don't need to continue the drumbeats of war every second of every day". They don't spend much time clamoring about real threats like the Taliban or N. Korea, but god help us if Obama talks to the Iranians. I'm just glad we have a competent person running our foreign policy.

WorldCitizen: If Obama brought world peace Fox News would run story after story about how he must be the anti-Christ and how peace is ruining America.

Well, I mean, the Left Behind books did have the Antichrist achieving "world peace"....

Query for the Christians.

If the Anti-Christ comes, you guys all get Raptured and world peace, a Golden age or whatever, is achieved. Is that right?

In other news, our heating bills in Hell have dropped substantially.