We've apologized for the treatment of Japanese-Americans during the war, and they've apologized to us for Bataan and to China for Nanking. Yeah, I think we're good.

UNC_Samurai: Yeah, I think we're good.

Especially since we won.

UNC_Samurai: We've apologized for the treatment of Japanese-Americans during the war, and they've apologized to us for Bataan and to China for Nanking. Yeah, I think we're good.

I mean what we did was very wrong and should never be allowed to happen again. However we didn't bayonet babies en mass, cut off the breasts of living women for sport, run rape trains on kids until they died from the trauma, more did we murder 300,000-400,000 Japanese Americans. Oh I forgot the forced incest and also the higher ups encouraging it.

When the Nazis think you are sick farks I think it's safe to say a line was crossed.

(I'm pretty sure you weren't comparing the two. I'm just saying)

Quite a while back I read an article about what happened to certain Japanese after the war, I think it was Borneo. The intertubes are no help.

As I recall, the Japanese were marched along a long jungle road with a very small number of guards, and as they marched, the mistreated natives took thir revenge by picking off the Japanese one by one when guards were conveniently looking the other way. I don't recall numbers, but it was thoroughly nasty, and very few Japansese made it to the end of the road. Don't think the guards did anything to discourge the locals, either.

Not that that's a bad thing. Just sayin'.

Y'know, there's not much that can be done for retribution. An apology is far better than nothing.

funny how this is coming right as NK is prepping for war. Japan needs all the help they can get.

/though it is nice they decided to apologize
//we all did stupid shiat we're ashamed of

Gwendolyn: When the Nazis think you are sick farks I think it's safe to say a line was crossed.

Unit 731 was sick sick shiat, pretty much on par with Mengeles ym"sh.

eddyatwork: UNC_Samurai: Yeah, I think we're good.

Especially since we won.

And have playstations.

Yes, we're good. For f*cks sake this shiat happened decades ago in a different world.

I henceforth declare that anyone who attempts to issue an apology for acts they did not personally participate in, demand an apology for acts they did not personally suffer from, or apologize for things three decades passed or greater, shall be:

Back-hand slapped in the most demeaning way possible.

This also applies to 'restitution' as well as 'apology.'

I am glad I have been able to see this happen in my lifetime.

Oh, Japan.

I just can't stay mad at you, what with your pachinko and all.

Japan has no need to apologize for the Bataan death march.

Archive phote of the event.

When they offer me a busload of free Japanese schoolgirls I'll forgive them.

dfenstrate

"Back-hand slapped in the most demeaning way possible."

Jap slap.

TwistedIvory: Y'know, there's not much that can be done for retribution. An apology is far better than nothing.

"Nuke'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

I want my flying car.

Swampthing in Korea: Japan has no need to apologize for the Bataan death march.

May I ask what you mean by that?

aagrajag: Swampthing in Korea: Japan has no need to apologize for the Bataan death march.

May I ask what you mean by that?

Because the government today is not the same government of the past, and the generation it represents is not the same that committed the Death March.

Apology implies responsibility, and responsibility is not hereditary.

UNC_Samurai: We've apologized for the treatment of Japanese-Americans during the war, and they've apologized to us for Bataan and to China for Nanking. Yeah, I think we're good.

Are you ignorant of the war crimes committed by Japan in WWII? Are you being sarcastic?

Japan is responsible for 23.5 million civilian deaths across East Asia.

That's more civilian deaths than the Nazis were responsible for.

Regular trail of tears in here.

aagrajag: Swampthing in Korea: Japan has no need to apologize for the Bataan death march.

May I ask what you mean by that?

He means to bait you.

Swampthing in Korea: aagrajag: Swampthing in Korea: Japan has no need to apologize for the Bataan death march.

May I ask what you mean by that?

Because the government today is not the same government of the past, and the generation it represents is not the same that committed the Death March.

Apology implies responsibility, and responsibility is not hereditary.

I very much agree with you in principle, but this official apology does have the effect of clearing the air, as well as removing any further opportunity for political obfuscation.

Also, the black-van ultra-nationalists here are going to have a fit. Always entertaining.

As long as they're fine with that Hiroshima/Nagasaki thing, sure.

Rye_: aagrajag: Swampthing in Korea: Japan has no need to apologize for the Bataan death march.

May I ask what you mean by that?

He means to bait you.

Bite me, you off-shoot from a reptile tribe.

Gwendolyn: UNC_Samurai: We've apologized for the treatment of Japanese-Americans during the war, and they've apologized to us for Bataan and to China for Nanking. Yeah, I think we're good.

I mean what we did was very wrong and should never be allowed to happen again. However we didn't bayonet babies en mass, cut off the breasts of living women for sport, run rape trains on kids until they died from the trauma, more did we murder 300,000-400,000 Japanese Americans. Oh I forgot the forced incest and also the higher ups encouraging it.

When the Nazis think you are sick farks I think it's safe to say a line was crossed.

(I'm pretty sure you weren't comparing the two. I'm just saying)

The Japanese don't teach about their atrocities in their schools.

Gwendolyn: When the Nazis think you are sick farks I think it's safe to say a line was crossed.

I thought this was hyperbole. Then I read about Unit 731.

....

Shrugging Atlas:

[Batons]
Archive phote of the event.

You too? I read that as Batman Death March.

The crux of the apology is that Japan has always been reluctant to acknowledge the crimes they committed or recognize that they might have been the less than dignified villain to their millions of victims.

Apology not accepted.

Great story, btw. Watch Ken Burns War.

Swampthing in Korea: Rye_: aagrajag: Swampthing in Korea: Japan has no need to apologize for the Bataan death march.

May I ask what you mean by that?

He means to bait you.

Bite me, you off-shoot from a reptile tribe.

Wow. Good one.

Incidentally, I read your response and mostly agree with you, but an apology doesn't hurt.

As an American soldier I accept your apology, now just own up to the war atrocities you committed on the Chinese and we'll be cool.

/Chinese from Taiwan
//Still bitter about Unit 731, Rape of Naking and your usual bury civilians alive stuff.
///Horror stories from grandpa gave me the bitter disposition toward the japs (also them not owning up to their war time shenanigans)

beoswulf: The crux of the apology is that Japan has always been reluctant to acknowledge the crimes they committed or recognize that they might have been the less than dignified villain to their millions of victims.

At some point however, it is usually better to let sleeping dogs lie. As those who were in any way involved with the war become fewer and fewer, excessive (and politically insincere) contrition really serves only to annoy and antagonise the younger generations.

Secret Master of All Flatulence: TwistedIvory: Y'know, there's not much that can be done for retribution. An apology is far better than nothing.

"Nuke'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

We did, twice, albeit a low orbit

Nemo's Brother: Gwendolyn: UNC_Samurai: We've apologized for the treatment of Japanese-Americans during the war, and they've apologized to us for Bataan and to China for Nanking. Yeah, I think we're good.

I mean what we did was very wrong and should never be allowed to happen again. However we didn't bayonet babies en mass, cut off the breasts of living women for sport, run rape trains on kids until they died from the trauma, more did we murder 300,000-400,000 Japanese Americans. Oh I forgot the forced incest and also the higher ups encouraging it.

When the Nazis think you are sick farks I think it's safe to say a line was crossed.

(I'm pretty sure you weren't comparing the two. I'm just saying)

The Japanese don't teach about their atrocities in their schools.

That is one of the reasons that I do appreciate these apologies. While those delivering the apologies are not responsible, they do represent generations that have, until very recently, denied most of what happened. It is important for all people to learn not only the good about their history, but the bad as well.

Illidan: I thought this was hyperbole. Then I read about Unit 731.

The Japanese are responsible for:
40,500 Australian civilians
250,000 Burmese civilians
16.2 million Chinese civilians
4 million civilians of modern-day Indonesia
1 million civilians of modern-day Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos
1.5 million civilians of modern-day India and Bangladesh
378,000 civilians of modern-day Korea
100,000 civilians of modern-day Malaysia
57,000 civilians of Micronesia
90,000 civilians of the Philippines
50,000 civilians of Singapore
55,000 civilians of modern-day East Timor
1,500 civilians of the US

aagrajag: beoswulf: The crux of the apology is that Japan has always been reluctant to acknowledge the crimes they committed or recognize that they might have been the less than dignified villain to their millions of victims.

At some point however, it is usually better to let sleeping dogs lie. As those who were in any way involved with the war become fewer and fewer, excessive (and politically insincere) contrition really serves only to annoy and antagonise the younger generations.

As soon as your apologize for the Crusades, infidel.

Has Japan apologized to the Filipinos yet?

Why did they feel the need to apologize? I mean we bought their cheap cars and TVs for years at the expense of our own economies, so I'd say "apology accepted" happened a long time ago.

I've participated in the Bataan Memorial March at White Sands, New Mexico for the past four years.

The surviving veterans gather in a line just before the beginning of the race. You get to walk down the line (gently) shaking their hand and thanking them for their service to our country. It really gets to you emotionally.

A day or two before the race, they also have Q&A sessions with survivors. The stories these guys tell of Bataan are both horrifying and filled with gallows humor ("When you're digging your own grave, you tend to dig real slow like").

I highly recommend that everyone do this at least once....and soon. These guys won't be around for very much longer.

A few more nukes and I'm willing to call it good between us.

Swampthing in Korea: aagrajag: Swampthing in Korea: Japan has no need to apologize for the Bataan death march.

May I ask what you mean by that?

Because the government today is not the same government of the past, and the generation it represents is not the same that committed the Death March.

Apology implies responsibility, and responsibility is not hereditary.

The Germans would love to hear that. Don't hold your breath.

Swampthing in Korea: aagrajag: beoswulf: The crux of the apology is that Japan has always been reluctant to acknowledge the crimes they committed or recognize that they might have been the less than dignified villain to their millions of victims.

At some point however, it is usually better to let sleeping dogs lie. As those who were in any way involved with the war become fewer and fewer, excessive (and politically insincere) contrition really serves only to annoy and antagonise the younger generations.

As soon as your apologize for the Crusades, infidel.

You're joking, but that's precisely the kind of political hay that can actually be made from this sort of thing, given a receptive (and usually ignorant) audience.

humanshrapnel: Apology not accepted.

Great story, btw. Watch Ken Burns War.

No joke!
I've met this guy before, and he was adamant that under no circumstances would he ever forgive "those Jap bastards" for what they did to him.

dfenstrate: Yes, we're good. For f*cks sake this shiat happened decades ago in a different world.

I henceforth declare that anyone who attempts to issue an apology for acts they did not personally participate in, demand an apology for acts they did not personally suffer from, or apologize for things three decades passed or greater, shall be:

Back-hand slapped in the most demeaning way possible.

This also applies to 'restitution' as well as 'apology.'

Harrumph!

dead_dangler: Why did they feel the need to apologize? I mean we bought their cheap cars and TVs for years at the expense of our own economies, so I'd say "apology accepted" happened a long time ago.

You're thinking China, there.

Sony Bravias don't come cheap.

MIguy: A few more nukes and I'm willing to call it good between us.

We already accelerated the popularization of tentacle rape. Assuming we nuked them a few more times, they would have 'self-stimulating' octupi available in vending machines I bet.

/they didn't really apologize to the Chinese
//or to a bunch of other Asian countries
///properly at least

I know an old guy who was a Japanese POW and IIRC was in the Bataan march. He lost an eye in the process, suffers from early blindness and a bunch of other ongoing medical problems due to the malnutrition and abuse. Farked up stuff. Still one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. I think he deserves an apology.

Seth'n'Spectrum: MIguy: A few more nukes and I'm willing to call it good between us.

We already accelerated the popularization of tentacle rape. Assuming we nuked them a few more times, they would have 'self-stimulating' octupi available in vending machines I bet.

/they didn't really apologize to the Chinese
//or to a bunch of other Asian countries
///properly at least

The Chinese leadership will never be satisfied. Keeping anti-Japanese sentiment at a nice, slow simmer is quite useful to them.

there are koreans who are still pissed about the Hill of Ears. These things tend to hang around for centuries.