Obviously, we don't know the whole story, but since the Highway Patrol gave up so easily after grabbing a man by the throat we can presume it was just a slight misunderstanding between grown-ups.

We always let the cops get there first. They had faster vehicles, and guns. Sounds like another case of being guilty of being black.

I hope those troopers need the services of the EMTs someday.....

"No! You're being irate. Quit being so irate and I can treat you!!!"

/ftp

Sounds like cops being dicks. again.
SOunds like they are the ones who should have (and probably will have) charges filed against them for assault and then maybe the patient in the ambulance can sue their asses too.
I don't see where the ambulance did anything wrong except not yield, but looking at the video, they could have passed since that's a nice looooong straight stretch of road.

The cops are hiding behind anonymity. If the guy taking the film didn't get the license of the car -then the cop would never have been identified.

Douchebag with power is douchey.

The pigs should be fired and prosecuted. They won't be, their buddies back at the sty will find them not guilty of anything and then they will all go out for a night of drinking.

cretinbob: Sounds like cops being dicks. again.
SOunds like they are the ones who should have (and probably will have) charges filed against them for assault and then maybe the patient in the ambulance can sue their asses too.
I don't see where the ambulance did anything wrong except not yield, but looking at the video, they could have passed since that's a nice looooong straight stretch of road.

The stretch of road where they were pulled over was not the stretch of road where the incident occurred. The trooper came back after the call he was headed to and caught up to the ambulance again.

The paramedics' own reports state that the troopers believed the driver of the ambulance flipped them off when they finally yielded to a trooper running hot with lights and sirens (after the trooper was stuck behind him long enough to radio him to get out of the way). It should be noted, of course, that the paramedics were not running lights or sirens, as they had a stable patient they were transporting to the hospital.

In the course of the action, from the paramedics' report, the black paramedic (named "White") repeatedly told the driver ("Frank", I believe that's his last name) to just go ahead and drive off when the officer wanted to detain him long enough to cite him. He also ducked in and out of the ambulance and, in general, acted like the people who kill cops do. Not saying that he was going to or that he was intentionally being threatening or anything, but a cop who lets people act like that on a traffic stop is a cop who doesn't want to go home at the end of his shift.

The cops were pissed and with good reason. An EMT, of all people, should not have to be told to yield right of way to emergency vehicles running hot. He also shouldn't be flipping the cop off or "throwing up his hands in surprise" as he stated he did.

White was being combative and was obstructing peace officers in their lawful duties and he got restrained because of it but only after pointing his hand in the trooper's face, having it pushed aside, and going right back into his threatening manner.

If White and Frank's primary concerns were for the patient, they could have radioed dispatch that they needed to take the patient in and asked that it be relayed to the trooper and then they could have handled it at the hospital. If White's primary concern was for the patient after they were pulled over, he could have offered to leave Frank to get his citation and then driven the ambulance to the hospital himself. Instead, they chose shouting match for the camera and acted exactly like the kind of people who turn a ticket into a ride to jail.

But, yeah, the cops are totally 100% at fault here for this situation and any result that doesn't involve them getting fired and possibly jailed is a huge miscarriage of justice.

While driving a pediatric intensive care ambulance the MD in the back asked me to slow down so he could start an IV. I did and a trooper pulled me over for driving too slow. I explained to this self important pig why I slowed down. He got belligerent. With the doc in the back screaming at me to get moving I told the trooper to meet me at the hospital WITH his supervisor and drove off. He didn't.

/Captured much of the pigs rant and the doc on my Drivecam audio

weezbo [TotalFark]

You fail a lot don't you?

WTFDYW: You fail a lot don't you?

At imparting clue to a world that largely rejects it? Yes, sadly.

Two unruly EMTs in an ambulance with a sick woman? Get me 200 M16s, NOW!

weezbo: cretinbob: Sounds like cops being dicks. again.
SOunds like they are the ones who should have (and probably will have) charges filed against them for assault and then maybe the patient in the ambulance can sue their asses too.
I don't see where the ambulance did anything wrong except not yield, but looking at the video, they could have passed since that's a nice looooong straight stretch of road.

The stretch of road where they were pulled over was not the stretch of road where the incident occurred. The trooper came back after the call he was headed to and caught up to the ambulance again.

The paramedics' own reports state that the troopers believed the driver of the ambulance flipped them off when they finally yielded to a trooper running hot with lights and sirens (after the trooper was stuck behind him long enough to radio him to get out of the way). It should be noted, of course, that the paramedics were not running lights or sirens, as they had a stable patient they were transporting to the hospital.

In the course of the action, from the paramedics' report, the black paramedic (named "White") repeatedly told the driver ("Frank", I believe that's his last name) to just go ahead and drive off when the officer wanted to detain him long enough to cite him. He also ducked in and out of the ambulance and, in general, acted like the people who kill cops do. Not saying that he was going to or that he was intentionally being threatening or anything, but a cop who lets people act like that on a traffic stop is a cop who doesn't want to go home at the end of his shift.

The cops were pissed and with good reason. An EMT, of all people, should not have to be told to yield right of way to emergency vehicles running hot. He also shouldn't be flipping the cop off or "throwing up his hands in surprise" as he stated he did.

White was being combative and was obstructing peace officers in their lawful duties and he got restrained because of it but only after pointing his hand in the trooper's face, having it pushed aside, and going right back into his threatening manner.

If White and Frank's primary concerns were for the patient, they could have radioed dispatch that they needed to take the patient in and asked that it be relayed to the trooper and then they could have handled it at the hospital. If White's primary concern was for the patient after they were pulled over, he could have offered to leave Frank to get his citation and then driven the ambulance to the hospital himself. Instead, they chose shouting match for the camera and acted exactly like the kind of people who turn a ticket into a ride to jail.

But, yeah, the cops are totally 100% at fault here for this situation and any result that doesn't involve them getting fired and possibly jailed is a huge miscarriage of justice.

Oink.

My favorite part is the part where the cop has his hand around the throat of the EMT. He better get fired for that shiat. I have never seen a cop put their hands on a suspect like that on COPS even. Asshole is on a power trip because he has a shield on his shirt.

Molavian: weezbo: cretinbob: Sounds like cops being dicks. again.
SOunds like they are the ones who should have (and probably will have) charge... blah blah

Oink.


I LOL'd. I also was thinking the same thing.

weezbo: should be noted, of course, that the paramedics were not running lights or sirens, as they had a stable patient they were transporting to the hospital.

In the course of the action, from the paramedics' report, the black paramedic (named "White") repeatedly told the driver ("Frank", I believe that's his last name) to just go ahead and drive off when the officer wanted to detain him long enough to cite him. He also ducked in and out of the ambulance and, in general, acted like the people who kill cops do. Not saying that he was going to or that he was intentionally being threatening or anything, but a cop who lets people act like that on a traffic stop is a cop who doesn't want to go home at the end of his shift.

The cops were pissed and with good reason. An EMT, of all people, sho

He was black

a white southern asshat cop choking a black paramedic who is trying to get an old woman to hospital.

no one is going to make a big deal out of this...

weezbo: cretinbob: Sounds like cops being dicks. again.
SOunds like they are the ones who should have (and probably will have) charges filed against them for assault and then maybe the patient in the ambulance can sue their asses too.
I don't see where the ambulance did anything wrong except not yield, but looking at the video, they could have passed since that's a nice looooong straight stretch of road.

The stretch of road where they were pulled over was not the stretch of road where the incident occurred. The trooper came back after the call he was headed to and caught up to the ambulance again.

The paramedics' own reports state that the troopers believed the driver of the ambulance flipped them off when they finally yielded to a trooper running hot with lights and sirens (after the trooper was stuck behind him long enough to radio him to get out of the way). It should be noted, of course, that the paramedics were not running lights or sirens, as they had a stable patient they were transporting to the hospital.

In the course of the action, from the paramedics' report, the black paramedic (named "White") repeatedly told the driver ("Frank", I believe that's his last name) to just go ahead and drive off when the officer wanted to detain him long enough to cite him. He also ducked in and out of the ambulance and, in general, acted like the people who kill cops do. Not saying that he was going to or that he was intentionally being threatening or anything, but a cop who lets people act like that on a traffic stop is a cop who doesn't want to go home at the end of his shift.

The cops were pissed and with good reason. An EMT, of all people, should not have to be told to yield right of way to emergency vehicles running hot. He also shouldn't be flipping the cop off or "throwing up his hands in surprise" as he stated he did.

White was being combative and was obstructing peace officers in their lawful duties and he got restrained because of it but only after pointing his hand in the trooper's face, having it pushed aside, and going right back into his threatening manner.

If White and Frank's primary concerns were for the patient, they could have radioed dispatch that they needed to take the patient in and asked that it be relayed to the trooper and then they could have handled it at the hospital. If White's primary concern was for the patient after they were pulled over, he could have offered to leave Frank to get his citation and then driven the ambulance to the hospital himself. Instead, they chose shouting match for the camera and acted exactly like the kind of people who turn a ticket into a ride to jail.

But, yeah, the cops are totally 100% at fault here for this situation and any result that doesn't involve them getting fired and possibly jailed is a huge miscarriage of justice.

Don't worry. Your turn under the heel will come.

There really needs to be devastatingly severe penalties when cops abuse their position. It would help to stop hiring moronic thugs.

weezbo: At imparting clue to a world that largely rejects it? Yes, sadly.

Your arguments make sense, but when I go back to the video, I don't see reasonable police officers trying their best to calmly resolve the situation. I see the cops walking around in shades trying to look cool while they choke EMTs. Was the video shopped or something?

Clear cut case of Section 26 of the BWIO Act (Black While in Oklahoma) exacerbated by a breach of the WCBTCIQ Legislation (Gun Caliber Bigger Than Cops IQ). Book him Dan-o.

HERE COMES THE GOOD STUFF

The EMT ducked into the ambulance like he was going to kill a trooper?

Looked like he was attending his patient to me.

Racist cops are racist.

SherKhan: There really needs to be devastatingly severe penalties when cops abuse their position. It would help to stop hiring moronic thugs.

I will bet they get suspended(with pay) while a nonexistent "investigation" occurs. Then they'll determine "Nothing was wrong." and they'll be back. The police can break whatever laws they want and they don't get punished.

Another too proud too stupid too arrogant cop...
Some of those guys just think a badge means they can do whatever they want.

You don't arrest someone for failure to yield, you write them a citation/ticket; the trooper could have contacted the company to get the name of the driver documented on the run report and sent it to the guy.

The patient doesn't ride in the back without a EMT/Medic in the back with them, so "Frank" couldn't have left without "White".

I don't think the "flip off" was a hand raised in "surprise" it was likely like a wave of acknowledgement/fault that the driver hadn't noticed.

Most responsible medics don't go with lights and sirens, since it usually confuses people into creating more of a clusterfark, and most SOPs don't allow them to go much more than 10 over the limit anyway.

Placing someone under arrest just to write them a "failure to yield" citation is something white cops do to black guys.

weezbo: cretinbob: Sounds like cops being dicks. again.
SOunds like they are the ones who should have (and probably will have) charges filed against them for assault and then maybe the patient in the ambulance can sue their asses too.
I don't see where the ambulance did anything wrong except not yield, but looking at the video, they could have passed since that's a nice looooong straight stretch of road.

The stretch of road where they were pulled over was not the stretch of road where the incident occurred. The trooper came back after the call he was headed to and caught up to the ambulance again.

The paramedics' own reports state that the troopers believed the driver of the ambulance flipped them off when they finally yielded to a trooper running hot with lights and sirens (after the trooper was stuck behind him long enough to radio him to get out of the way). It should be noted, of course, that the paramedics were not running lights or sirens, as they had a stable patient they were transporting to the hospital.

In the course of the action, from the paramedics' report, the black paramedic (named "White") repeatedly told the driver ("Frank", I believe that's his last name) to just go ahead and drive off when the officer wanted to detain him long enough to cite him. He also ducked in and out of the ambulance and, in general, acted like the people who kill cops do. Not saying that he was going to or that he was intentionally being threatening or anything, but a cop who lets people act like that on a traffic stop is a cop who doesn't want to go home at the end of his shift.

The cops were pissed and with good reason. An EMT, of all people, should not have to be told to yield right of way to emergency vehicles running hot. He also shouldn't be flipping the cop off or "throwing up his hands in surprise" as he stated he did.

White was being combative and was obstructing peace officers in their lawful duties and he got restrained because of it but only after pointing his hand in the trooper's face, having it pushed aside, and going right back into his threatening manner.

If White and Frank's primary concerns were for the patient, they could have radioed dispatch that they needed to take the patient in and asked that it be relayed to the trooper and then they could have handled it at the hospital. If White's primary concern was for the patient after they were pulled over, he could have offered to leave Frank to get his citation and then driven the ambulance to the hospital himself. Instead, they chose shouting match for the camera and acted exactly like the kind of people who turn a ticket into a ride to jail.

But, yeah, the cops are totally 100% at fault here for this situation and any result that doesn't involve them getting fired and possibly jailed is a huge miscarriage of justice.


Wow, that's farking stupid.

What an asshole of a cop, His name is going to go all around those EMT members, god forbid if anything bad should happen to him. This idiot cop should just know better. Looks like the cops were power tripping just because the EMT guy was not giving the submissive subservient response that they're accustomed to.

I honestly don't think its a black or white issue though.

pvd021: I honestly don't think its a black or white issue though.

Looked like the white EMT got a stern talking to, and the black EMT got choked.

Re-assess?

Wombatzu: a white southern asshat cop choking a black paramedic who is trying to get an old woman to hospital.

no one is going to make a big deal out of this...

Oklahoma is considered part of the South now?

We must cut weezbo some slack. He is trying to become a cop;)

weezbo: cretinbob: Sounds like cops being dicks. again.
SOunds like they are the ones who should have (and probably will have) charges filed against them for assault and then maybe the patient in the ambulance can sue their asses too.
I don't see where the ambulance did anything wrong except not yield, but looking at the video, they could have passed since that's a nice looooong straight stretch of road.

The stretch of road where they were pulled over was not the stretch of road where the incident occurred. The trooper came back after the call he was headed to and caught up to the ambulance again.

The paramedics' own reports state that the troopers believed the driver of the ambulance flipped them off when they finally yielded to a trooper running hot with lights and sirens (after the trooper was stuck behind him long enough to radio him to get out of the way). It should be noted, of course, that the paramedics were not running lights or sirens, as they had a stable patient they were transporting to the hospital.

In the course of the action, from the paramedics' report, the black paramedic (named "White") repeatedly told the driver ("Frank", I believe that's his last name) to just go ahead and drive off when the officer wanted to detain him long enough to cite him. He also ducked in and out of the ambulance and, in general, acted like the people who kill cops do. Not saying that he was going to or that he was intentionally being threatening or anything, but a cop who lets people act like that on a traffic stop is a cop who doesn't want to go home at the end of his shift.

The cops were pissed and with good reason. An EMT, of all people, should not have to be told to yield right of way to emergency vehicles running hot. He also shouldn't be flipping the cop off or "throwing up his hands in surprise" as he stated he did.

White was being combative and was obstructing peace officers in their lawful duties and he got restrained because of it but only after pointing his hand in the trooper's face, having it pushed aside, and going right back into his threatening manner.

If White and Frank's primary concerns were for the patient, they could have radioed dispatch that they needed to take the patient in and asked that it be relayed to the trooper and then they could have handled it at the hospital. If White's primary concern was for the patient after they were pulled over, he could have offered to leave Frank to get his citation and then driven the ambulance to the hospital himself. Instead, they chose shouting match for the camera and acted exactly like the kind of people who turn a ticket into a ride to jail.

But, yeah, the cops are totally 100% at fault here for this situation and any result that doesn't involve them getting fired and possibly jailed is a huge miscarriage of justice.

What farking video were you watching?

pvd021:
I honestly don't think its a black or white issue though.

With Cops and Drivers it is always a case of Black and white in backwater towns.

Illidan: Your arguments make sense, but when I go back to the video, I don't see reasonable police officers trying their best to calmly resolve the situation. I see the cops walking around in shades trying to look cool while they choke EMTs. Was the video shopped or something?

I see a screaming match in progress in which an EMT was told he was under arrest and refused to comply with lawful orders until he was restrained briefly with a grab to the throat. I'm pretty sure textbooks would say he should have been hurled to the ground and cuffed instead but, and this is the really farked up part with all the complaining about overzealous douchebags, anyone not being shown some professional courtesy would have been on the ground and in cuffs for acting that way. I'm not fond of the fact that they were having a screaming match on the side of the road and the troopers should get a reprimand for that (and I'd hope the EMT supervisors toss out a reprimand as well to their guys), but, seriously, those EMTs got way more leeway than anyone else would have and White, at least, took advantage of it.

andrew131: What farking video were you watching?

What farking report of the incident written by the EMTs were you reading about?

Conservationist Quote 2009-05-31 11:59:07 AM
Ambulance driving without its lights?

Argumentative EMT?

I blame the ambulance crew for this one: total idiots.

This isn't TV stuff. It's reality. In reality sirens and lights aren't used unless it is necessary.

weezbo: cretinbob: Sounds like cops being dicks. again.
SOunds like they are the ones who should have (and probably will have) charges filed against them for assault and then maybe the patient in the ambulance can sue their asses too.
I don't see where the ambulance did anything wrong except not yield, but looking at the video, they could have passed since that's a nice looooong straight stretch of road.

The stretch of road where they were pulled over was not the stretch of road where the incident occurred. The trooper came back after the call he was headed to and caught up to the ambulance again.

The paramedics' own reports state that the troopers believed the driver of the ambulance flipped them off when they finally yielded to a trooper running hot with lights and sirens (after the trooper was stuck behind him long enough to radio him to get out of the way). It should be noted, of course, that the paramedics were not running lights or sirens, as they had a stable patient they were transporting to the hospital.

In the course of the action, from the paramedics' report, the black paramedic (named "White") repeatedly told the driver ("Frank", I believe that's his last name) to just go ahead and drive off when the officer wanted to detain him long enough to cite him. He also ducked in and out of the ambulance and, in general, acted like the people who kill cops do. Not saying that he was going to or that he was intentionally being threatening or anything, but a cop who lets people act like that on a traffic stop is a cop who doesn't want to go home at the end of his shift.

The cops were pissed and with good reason. An EMT, of all people, should not have to be told to yield right of way to emergency vehicles running hot. He also shouldn't be flipping the cop off or "throwing up his hands in surprise" as he stated he did.

White was being combative and was obstructing peace officers in their lawful duties and he got restrained because of it but only after pointing his hand in the trooper's face, having it pushed aside, and going right back into his threatening manner.

If White and Frank's primary concerns were for the patient, they could have radioed dispatch that they needed to take the patient in and asked that it be relayed to the trooper and then they could have handled it at the hospital. If White's primary concern was for the patient after they were pulled over, he could have offered to leave Frank to get his citation and then driven the ambulance to the hospital himself. Instead, they chose shouting match for the camera and acted exactly like the kind of people who turn a ticket into a ride to jail.

But, yeah, the cops are totally 100% at fault here for this situation and any result that doesn't involve them getting fired and possibly jailed is a huge miscarriage of justice.

I'm sorry, but I can't tell which part of this is supposed to be serious and which part is supposed to be sarcastic.

In one of the cops defense, at the end of the video, you can see one of the white cops pat the back of the guy who filmed the whole incident who states he just wants to see his mom go to the hospital.. I think maybe the cop who was threatening to arrest the EMT may have a little racial bias, but the guy who was choking him, was just over aggressively trying to subdue the EMT because well he struggled when one of his partners tried to arrest him. If you look at the guy who was putting his hand on the guys neck, you'll notice that he wasn't applying so much pressure as to choke the guy, in fact you can see the EMT waving a finger right in the freaking guys face while talking back to him. I think if he was really racist, that probably would've set him off to the point where I'm sure other officers would probably try to trip the guy into the ground and arrest him right there and then, but as aggressive as his hand position might be, I think he is showing some constraint. His partner/coworker though, is a complete asshole.

weezbo [TotalFark]

I seriously hope you are trolling.

I see a screaming match in progress in which an EMT was told he was under arrest and refused to comply with lawful orders until he was restrained briefly with a grab to the throat.

Sounds exactly like it will be written on the report. In those, calming phrases that misrepresent the tension, threat and violence at the scene while excusing the cop for his own agressive actions. It's why they give police dogs the names they do. It sounds better in court when the dog is Champ as opposed to Brutus, or Killer. 'The defendant refused to comply with lawful orders and he was restrained briefly by my dog, Killer, with a bite to the testicles'

Ambulance driving without its lights?

EMT's have more exacting standards about hurtling down busy streets with the disco going than the Police, and these often don't include;

1. Dunkin Donut clearance sale.
2. Late for shift finish.
3. Late for shift start.
4. Forgot your wife's birthday.
5. Officer involved free booze BBQ.

weezbo:

FTFA
White said the patrol car had its emergency lights on, but he could not hear a siren. He said when he next noticed the patrol car it was about three feet behind the ambulance's bumper.

Just to clarify the cop wasn't even running hot** when the driver "failed to yield".

** you sound like a 14 year old who thinks lights and authority are cool when you say that.

/successful troll is successful

mud_shark: Wombatzu: a white southern asshat cop choking a black paramedic who is trying to get an old woman to hospital.

no one is going to make a big deal out of this...

Oklahoma is considered part of the South now?

well, southern, central, and eastern Oklahoma all feel very Southerny to me. western and northern Oklahoma maybe you are getting into the great plains.

but having spent a lot of time in Oklahoma i'd say it shares a lot of values and racism that we consider southern.

For every instance of shiat like this captured on camera hundreds if not thousands are not.

Using the availability of vids like this and the myriad others showing cops acting at total douche bags as a sort or "Nielsen's Ratings" formula a reasonable person could and should rightfully assume that ALL cops are dicks.

Even if, indeed, a minuscule percentage of them aren't power-tripping abusive asshats who should be shot in the face in front of their family - the fact that these alleged "good cops" uniformly cover-up or keep quiet about the CRIMES committed by their fellow officers means that no police department can ever be any better or more trustworthy than it's worst officer.

No greater criminal gang exists in America than our pitifully corrupt mouth breathing law enforcement officers.

mine?

Cops bad. farking pigs. WHARGARBL.

/end of thread.

Oh_Enough_Already: No greater criminal gang exists in America than our pitifully corrupt mouth breathing law enforcement officers.

why? just because they drive around all day and night, armed to the teeth, extorting money from citizens?

Semantic Warrior: You don't arrest someone for failure to yield, you write them a citation/ticket; the trooper could have contacted the company to get the name of the driver documented on the run report and sent it to the guy.

They tried to just cite the driver. White repeatedly told Franks to just go and argued with the officers until they were arresting him for obstruction.

The patient doesn't ride in the back without a EMT/Medic in the back with them, so "Frank" couldn't have left without "White".

OK, that's one option down, then.

I don't think the "flip off" was a hand raised in "surprise" it was likely like a wave of acknowledgement/fault that the driver hadn't noticed.

FTFA: White noted that when the trooper earlier advised them to check their mirrors, Franks held up his hands in surprise by the call, and that the trooper may have mistaken that for an indecent gesture.

What do most responsible EMTs do when driving a patient? Does it involve removing both hands from the wheel?