Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: After the man was shot, deputies were able to move in, and it was determined that he did not actually have a bomb.

Your point being? The whole way the police handled it was S.O.P. as far as I know.

The guy was telling them he had a bomb. They evacuated the streets and homes, tried talking to him, etc. He elevated it by pointing a weapon at the police helicopter in a way to signify intent to harm or kill. Sniper had the shot, took it, ended a situation.

If the guy hadn't been a douche and told them he had a bomb, it might have gone down differently.

Sounds like he kinda wanted to die to be honest.

Where's the HERO tag?

another domestic dispute gone bad

Thray: Sounds like he kinda wanted to die to be honest.



"Problem solved!"

A woman who previously lived at the home came there to retrieve some of her personal belongings, but her estranged husband would not let her in. The woman then called police for assistance.

When deputies arrived, they tried talking with the man but he became argumentative and threatened to blow up the neighborhood, Urquhart said.

Sounds like some verbal judo could have saved this guy's life. But that would require the cops to be, you know, articulate.

Suicide by cop. If he really wanted to hurt someone, he would have pointed his rifle at someone on the ground, not the helicopter.

That being said, I don't think any fingers can be pointed at the cops this time.

godofusa.com: Where's the HERO tag?

You're thinking about bacon, not pigs

Magnanimous_J: Suicide by cop. If he really wanted to hurt someone, he would have pointed his rifle at someone on the ground, not the helicopter.

That being said, I don't think any fingers can be pointed at the cops this time.

thenateman: A woman who previously lived at the home came there to retrieve some of her personal belongings, but her estranged husband would not let her in. The woman then called police for assistance.

When deputies arrived, they tried talking with the man but he became argumentative and threatened to blow up the neighborhood, Urquhart said.

Sounds like some verbal judo could have saved this guy's life. But that would require the cops to be, you know, articulate.

Too late... someone did. And without knowing the specifics of the negotiations too. Heaven forbid that the notion that perhaps the dude was just bat-shiat crazy be considered, nope, it could only be trigger-happy cops.

How controversial is it that a guy pointed a gun at a police officer and got shot? The bomb claim is almost completely tangential to how this situation ended; that it didn't exist only delayed medical care, the outcome of which we're unable to determine based on the article's content. Based on nothing, I'd guess that police sharpshooters don't shoot to disarm.

right now...I'm naked under my clothes

seems like he should have said he had a bomb hooked up to a heart rate monitor. i mean, go for broke right?

babelphish: How controversial is it that a guy pointed a gun at a police officer and got shot? The bomb claim is almost completely tangential to how this situation ended; that it didn't exist only delayed medical care, the outcome of which we're unable to determine based on the article's content. Based on nothing, I'd guess that police sharpshooters don't shoot to disarm.

well, without the bomb threat, the helicopter may not have shown up, but otherwise, yeah.

Ok, so this sharpshooter was probably given the order to fire from a superior, so let's not throw out anti-cop rhetoric.

Second, I feel that the officer acted in a professional manner. If someone threatens to detonate a large bomb, you don't go back to liberal-ethics 101; you go with your gut because obviously you are dealing with someone not stable, who should be taken seriously at every single threat. The moment he said that he had a bomb gave police good enough reason to open fire to minimize explosive casualties. But he pointed his rifle [obviously aiming] at a helicopter. Fark, I would have shot him at that point and i have not ever shot anything in my life.

I used to have a bomb. It wasn't so great.

Perhaps he found out just how much he was going to have to pay in alimony.

/got nothing

mxwjs: seems like he should have said he had a bomb hooked up to a heart rate monitor. i mean, go for broke right?

The sanctity of marriage has been protected.... I think?

thenateman:
Sounds like some verbal judo could have saved this guy's life. But that would require the cops to be, you know, articulate.

Ah Gerbil Voodoo, also known as "don't be an a-hole." Somehow I don't think it would've worked in this situation.

spidermann: The guy was telling them he had a bomb. They evacuated the streets and homes, tried talking to him, etc. He elevated it by pointing a weapon at the police helicopter in a way to signify intent to harm or kill. Sniper had the shot, took it, ended a situation.

Sniper took a shot, dead-man-triggered bomb went off, hundreds died....

"Before the negotiators arrived, an FBI HRT sniper, Lon Horiuchi, shot and wounded Randy Weaver in the back with the bullet exiting his right armpit, while he was lifting the latch on the shed to visit the body of his dead son. Then, as Weaver, his 16-year-old daughter Sara, and Harris ran back toward the house, Horiuchi fired a second bullet, which struck passed through Vicki Weaver's head, killing her, and wounded Harris in the chest. Vicki Weaver was standing behind the door through which Harris was entering the house, holding their 10-month-old baby Elishebaa in her arms."
-what Government snipers have done before...

fredklein 2009-05-31 03:03:38 AM

Sniper took a shot, dead-man-triggered bomb went off, hundreds died....


(groan) that's what you get for reading too much Tom Clancy and Dan Brown

11lb Fertilizer bomb set off - Link (new window)

Now imagine that with 22x the power, in a neighborhood with people, children, and gas lines.

/from what I have read ANFO is equal to Fertilizer Bomb
//gladly corrected if that is not the case

/obligatory

spidermann: If the guy hadn't been a douche and told them he had a bomb, it might have gone down differently.

But in the movies, it always seems like a good idea to elevate your apparent threat as much as possible while leaving yourself completely exposed to attack.

Is this not right?

He did it for the lulz.

FTFA:

"An armed man who was threatening to explode a bomb in a Covington neighborhood was shot dead by a SWAT team officer after the man pointed a high-powered rifle at a police helicopter, officials said."

Way to skip over that relevant bit there, failmitter.

fredklein: "Before the negotiators arrived, an FBI HRT sniper, Lon Horiuchi, shot and wounded Randy Weaver in the back with the bullet exiting his right armpit, while he was lifting the latch on the shed to visit the body of his dead son. Then, as Weaver, his 16-year-old daughter Sara, and Harris ran back toward the house, Horiuchi fired a second bullet, which struck passed through Vicki Weaver's head, killing her, and wounded Harris in the chest. Vicki Weaver was standing behind the door through which Harris was entering the house, holding their 10-month-old baby Elishebaa in her arms."
-what Government snipers have done before...

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If you point a gun at a cop, you are *very* likely to get shot. How farking hard is that to understood?

Bit'O'Gristle: fredklein: "Before the negotiators arrived, an FBI HRT sniper, Lon Horiuchi, shot and wounded Randy Weaver in the back with the bullet exiting his right armpit, while he was lifting the latch on the shed to visit the body of his dead son. Then, as Weaver, his 16-year-old daughter Sara, and Harris ran back toward the house, Horiuchi fired a second bullet, which struck passed through Vicki Weaver's head, killing her, and wounded Harris in the chest. Vicki Weaver was standing behind the door through which Harris was entering the house, holding their 10-month-old baby Elishebaa in her arms."
-what Government snipers have done before...

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Reality... is reality.

spidermann: 11lb Fertilizer bomb set off - Link (new window)

Now imagine that with 22x the power, in a neighborhood with people, children, and gas lines.

/from what I have read ANFO is equal to Fertilizer Bomb
//gladly corrected if that is not the case

Well, we know what would happen with a fertilizer bomb 500X as powerful...

/came here for the "cunning plan" pictures
//going to bed disappointed

brukmann: spidermann: If the guy hadn't been a douche and told them he had a bomb, it might have gone down differently.

But in the movies, it always seems like a good idea to elevate your apparent threat as much as possible while leaving yourself completely exposed to attack.

Is this not right?

This is what we get from the TV babysitter culture. ;)

fredklein: Bit'O'Gristle: fredklein: "Before the negotiators arrived, an FBI HRT sniper, Lon Horiuchi, shot and wounded Randy Weaver in the back with the bullet exiting his right armpit, while he was lifting the latch on the shed to visit the body of his dead son. Then, as Weaver, his 16-year-old daughter Sara, and Harris ran back toward the house, Horiuchi fired a second bullet, which struck passed through Vicki Weaver's head, killing her, and wounded Harris in the chest. Vicki Weaver was standing behind the door through which Harris was entering the house, holding their 10-month-old baby Elishebaa in her arms."
-what Government snipers have done before...

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Reality... is reality.

So some government snipers are dumbasses. You don't see the difference between shooting someone who's opening a shed and shooting someone who's pointing a high-powered rifle at a police helicopter?

Awesome -- one less piece of shiat out in the world.

You threaten to blow up a bomb, and point a rifle at police helicopter -- seems your self preservation mechanism is malfunctioning.

spidermann: If the guy hadn't been a douche and told them he had a bomb, it might have gone down differently.

Nah. He signed and accepted a receipt for a bullet the second he pointed his weapon at the helicopter. I think everyone knows how it going to play out when you put some cop in the crosshair.

The bomb threat just made it temporarily inconvenient for the JP to pronounce him.

fredklein: Bit'O'Gristle: fredklein: "Before the negotiators arrived, an FBI HRT sniper, Lon Horiuchi, shot and wounded Randy Weaver in the back with the bullet exiting his right armpit, while he was lifting the latch on the shed to visit the body of his dead son. Then, as Weaver, his 16-year-old daughter Sara, and Harris ran back toward the house, Horiuchi fired a second bullet, which struck passed through Vicki Weaver's head, killing her, and wounded Harris in the chest. Vicki Weaver was standing behind the door through which Harris was entering the house, holding their 10-month-old baby Elishebaa in her arms."
-what Government snipers have done before...

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Reality... is reality.

Yes..because Randy Weaver was a douchebag, his wife and kid were killed. That must mean that EVERY cop in the world is a nazi jack-booted stormtrooper, and all the suspects who ever pointed a gun at police deserve to shoot first....man..you have really opened my eyes/

bamf75: right now...I'm naked under my clothes
Me2

LordJiro: fredklein: Bit'O'Gristle: fredklein: "Before the negotiators arrived, an FBI HRT sniper, Lon Horiuchi, shot and wounded Randy Weaver in the back with the bullet exiting his right armpit, while he was lifting the latch on the shed to visit the body of his dead son. Then, as Weaver, his 16-year-old daughter Sara, and Harris ran back toward the house, Horiuchi fired a second bullet, which struck passed through Vicki Weaver's head, killing her, and wounded Harris in the chest. Vicki Weaver was standing behind the door through which Harris was entering the house, holding their 10-month-old baby Elishebaa in her arms."
-what Government snipers have done before...

-1

Reality... is reality.

So some government snipers are dumbasses. You don't see the difference between shooting someone who's opening a shed and shooting someone who's pointing a high-powered rifle at a police helicopter?

No actually i dont. If the sniper had probable cause to fire the first time, he had probable cause to shoot the second. Just because the asshole didnt die from the first shot doesn't mean that the sniper needs to stop shooting. It's not like "fark..i used my only bullet" so go ahead and run away now. Too bad about the guy's wife and kid, but he brought that shiat down on himself.

ElLoco: spidermann: If the guy hadn't been a douche and told them he had a bomb, it might have gone down differently.

Nah. He signed and accepted a receipt for a bullet the second he pointed his weapon at the helicopter. I think everyone knows how it going to play out when you put some cop in the crosshair.

The bomb threat just made it temporarily inconvenient for the JP to pronounce him.

True, but I was talking about in the first place, not after the fact.

If he hadn't gone off being stupid, argumentative, and told the cops he had a bomb, the SWAT might not have been brought in and peace might have been restored for the night, at least.

Bit'O'Gristle: LordJiro: fredklein: Bit'O'Gristle: fredklein: "Before the negotiators arrived, an FBI HRT sniper, Lon Horiuchi, shot and wounded Randy Weaver in the back with the bullet exiting his right armpit, while he was lifting the latch on the shed to visit the body of his dead son. Then, as Weaver, his 16-year-old daughter Sara, and Harris ran back toward the house, Horiuchi fired a second bullet, which struck passed through Vicki Weaver's head, killing her, and wounded Harris in the chest. Vicki Weaver was standing behind the door through which Harris was entering the house, holding their 10-month-old baby Elishebaa in her arms."
-what Government snipers have done before...

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Reality... is reality.

So some government snipers are dumbasses. You don't see the difference between shooting someone who's opening a shed and shooting someone who's pointing a high-powered rifle at a police helicopter?

No actually i dont. If the sniper had probable cause to fire the first time, he had probable cause to shoot the second. Just because the asshole didnt die from the first shot doesn't mean that the sniper needs to stop shooting. It's not like "fark..i used my only bullet" so go ahead and run away now. Too bad about the guy's wife and kid, but he brought that shiat down on himself.

The example fredklein provided was phrased as if the police shot him simply for opening his shed; I was just going by that phrasing as I am not familiar with the case. I assume there was, in fact, probable cause and fredklein was, intentionally or otherwise, wording it to sound like there wasn't.

farking cops. Shoot first ask questions last. This is the war on drugs people.

spidermann: True, but I was talking about in the first place, not after the fact.

If he hadn't gone off being stupid, argumentative, and told the cops he had a bomb, the SWAT might not have been brought in and peace might have been restored for the night, at least.

Aye. 'tis a fact that he shiat in his own sombrero repeatedly... and then in his pants once, there right toward the end.

Epiphany: farking cops. Shoot first ask questions last. This is the war on drugs people.

Let's say you and I are both armed. I've been showing, quite clearly, that I am mentally unstable, and now, I'm pointing a gun at your head.

Are you gonna wait to see if I actually pull the trigger?

I think this was the war on guys threatening to have bombs and pointing rifles at low flying aircraft.

/How's that for an Epiphany?

LordJiro: If you point a gun at a cop, you are *very* likely to get shot. How farking hard is that to understood?

Way too obvious for most Fark cop-haters. By their logic, cops need to wait till the guy has killed like nine or ten of them before they can even unholster their weapons.

I'm not sure if these are the same Farkers who think we should make a smoking radioactive crater of Iran every time the President of that sorry-ass nation says "Death to America!" but it wouldn't surprise me.

bamf75: right now...I'm naked under my clothes

I choose not to believe that.

Gyrfalcon: LordJiro: If you point a gun at a cop, you are *very* likely to get shot. How farking hard is that to understood?

Way too obvious for most Fark cop-haters. By their logic, cops need to wait till the guy has killed like nine or ten of them before they can even unholster their weapons.

I'm not sure if these are the same Farkers who think we should make a smoking radioactive crater of Iran every time the President of that sorry-ass nation says "Death to America!" but it wouldn't surprise me.

Totally agree. Most people are of the "wait till the bad guy shoots before defending yourself" variety.

LordJiro: Bit'O'Gristle: LordJiro: fredklein: Bit'O'Gristle: fredklein: "Before the negotiators arrived, an FBI HRT sniper, Lon Horiuchi, shot and wounded Randy Weaver in the back with the bullet exiting his right armpit, while he was lifting the latch on the shed to visit the body of his dead son. Then, as Weaver, his 16-year-old daughter Sara, and Harris ran back toward the house, Horiuchi fired a second bullet, which struck passed through Vicki Weaver's head, killing her, and wounded Harris in the chest. Vicki Weaver was standing behind the door through which Harris was entering the house, holding their 10-month-old baby Elishebaa in her arms."
-what Government snipers have done before...

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Reality... is reality.

So some government snipers are dumbasses. You don't see the difference between shooting someone who's opening a shed and shooting someone who's pointing a high-powered rifle at a police helicopter?

No actually i dont. If the sniper had probable cause to fire the first time, he had probable cause to shoot the second. Just because the asshole didnt die from the first shot doesn't mean that the sniper needs to stop shooting. It's not like "fark..i used my only bullet" so go ahead and run away now. Too bad about the guy's wife and kid, but he brought that shiat down on himself.

The example fredklein provided was phrased as if the police shot him simply for opening his shed; I was just going by that phrasing as I am not familiar with the case. I assume there was, in fact, probable cause and fredklein was, intentionally or otherwise, wording it to sound like there wasn't.

The snipers had a "shoot on sight" order. Right or wrong, they had it.