As an American expat and an Australian citizen, we don't want them either.

Wasn't Australia originally a penal colony anyway? IIRC, it was like Britain's version of Absolom.

Josef Fritzl has nothing very little to do with Abu Ghraib, subby.

TheGreatZarquon: Wasn't Australia originally a penal colony anyway?

Exactly. They can see it as going back to their roots!

SNAKE PLISSKEN MUST ESCAPE FROM MELBOURNE

Dear god, he's just gonna have them all killed?

Rustybeth: As an American expat and an Australian citizen, we don't want them either.

Hey, they took you didn't they?

FTA:Beijing has reportedly been pressing Washington to return them to China, but U.S. officials have expressed concerns about their likely treatment there

OMG just let them have them. The administration can get information and still hold the high ground about not them torturing them .

Return them to China.

In case you're wondering why this is the only option, Diplomatic memos reveal Chinese effort to block Guantánamo prisoner's asylum bid (new window)

What part of "no" is so difficult for this administration to understand? Clean up your own damn mess.
If they can't go back to the home you took them from, give them a home yourself.

Rustybeth: As an American expat and an Australian citizen, we don't want them either.

They're totally innocent of any terrorism charges so they could stay here but the same pussies that were getting upset cause Obama was going to take yer guns are scared of some Chinese monks. And dude since your not an a Aborigine STFU about who can and can't come into Austrialia.

daniellynn's real dad: What part of "no" is so difficult for this administration to understand? Clean up your own damn mess.
If they can't go back to the home you took them from, give them a home yourself.

Agree with the final sentiment, but... remember that this was not the administration that took them in the first place.

send them to crawford

Makes sense. Australia is one of the few countries both qualified and neutral enough to hold these prisoners. I would imagine that requests from the Bush administration were largely turned down due to moderately likely requests that they (US government) be allowed to treat them in much the same ways that they had already been treated. Australia, "neutrality" issues aside, would not want to get involved in that (PR nightmare, to say the least). So if the US government is taking a more moderate/sane approach with this request, the Australians might help out.

If they're safe enough too live in Cities of Australia, they're safe enough too live in America.

Gosling:

Agree with the final sentiment, but... remember that this was not the administration that took them in the first place.

True, but they have now asked 3 times and been refused twice. No means no.

ThreeEyedOni: Makes sense. Australia is one of the few countries both qualified and neutral enough to hold these prisoners.

Uh, Australia isn't neutral. We are fairly moderate, though.

Our troops are right there next to yours, and have been from the start of the whole War on Terror, (tm).

China owns half of our resources by proxy. Rudd is strangely beholden to China. Australia needs China more than we need America.

This will be the third refusal.

andrewmoriarty: If they're safe enough too live in Cities of Australia, they're safe enough too live in America.

The problem that America faces is that bringing them into the real USA gives the prisoners something they never had before.

Rights.

No.

Two choices:

(1) Try and convict or acquit them on US soil, and then imprison them here if conviction is the outcome.

(2) Extradite them to the country with jurisdiction (either their own country or the one in which the crime was committed) and prosecute them there.

End of farking story. Holding people without trial is simply not acceptable. It's no more acceptable for a half-black Democratic ivy-leaguer to do it than it was for a white Republican ivy-leaguer to do it a few years back.

andrewmoriarty: If they're safe enough too live in Cities of Australia, they're safe enough too live in America.

But they'd be much better off in Vienna, so--oh, wait.

Who can it be knocking at my door?
Go 'way, don't come 'round here no more.
Can't you see that it's late at night?
I'm very tired, and I'm not feeling right.
All I wish is to be alone;
Stay away, don't you invade my home.
Best off if you hang outside,
Don't come in - I'll only run and hide.

or
(3) Since insufficient evidence has been found to support a trial, release them in an intelligent manner.

This is what they are trying to do. It is just the method of release under discussion.

I think we should all pretend that headline was never typed.

Give them to Dick Cheney. He wanted them.

SeismicJizzer: send them to crawford

Actually that would be the funniest use of eminent domain ever. Take the ranch.

Would they just ship these guys out to Nauru?

MCSoftserve: Would they just ship these guys out to Naaru?



Certainly A'dal knows how to deal with terrorist swine.

Obama will keep asking other countries to take the prisoners because they don't have the one thing that is stopping them from coming to America.

Senators.

//Any state that ends up with "Terrorist" will vote republican for the next 8 years.

save russian jews: SNAKE PLISSKEN MUST ESCAPE FROM MELBOURNE

I heard he was dead.

This has nothing to do with Austria, subby.

Obama doesn't know Austrian, anyway.

You know who else sent prisoners to Australia...

The fact that we're repeatedly denying asylum to the Uighurs, and are even contemplating returning them to a country where there is no doubt that they'll be tortured and/or executed is past shameful and on into sick.

Nice to know that freedom is bought and sold on the open market. FML, America is dead.

As a michigander, my state could use the couple billion a year by keeping them in the upper peninsula, and you can bet your ass there are enough rednecks with guns up there that they wouldn't pose a danger :)

Jim_Callahan: No.

Two choices:

(1) Try and convict or acquit them on US soil, and then imprison them here if conviction is the outcome.

(2) Extradite them to the country with jurisdiction (either their own country or the one in which the crime was committed) and prosecute them there.

End of farking story. Holding people without trial is simply not acceptable. It's no more acceptable for a half-black Democratic ivy-leaguer to do it than it was for a white Republican ivy-leaguer to do it a few years back.

Agreed. However, at least the half-black guy is trying to do something about it. The lily white asshole didn't.

daniellynn's real dad: or
(3) Since insufficient evidence has been found to support a trial, release them in an intelligent manner.

This is what they are trying to do. It is just the method of release under discussion.

After being tortured by the US they are probably pretty pissed by now.

HawkEyes: SeismicJizzer: send them to crawford

Actually that would be the funniest use of eminent domain ever. Take the ranch.

I think it would be cruel and unusual.

jayg22: //Any state that ends up with "Terrorist" will vote republican for the next 8 years.

Send them to Utah then. The will vote Republican no matter what...

me_the_farker: jayg22: //Any state that ends up with "Terrorist" will vote republican for the next 8 years.

Send them to Utah then. The will vote Republican no matter what...

Utahterrorist is the official name?

Sabyen91: HawkEyes: SeismicJizzer: send them to crawford

Actually that would be the funniest use of eminent domain ever. Take the ranch.

I think it would be cruel and unusual.

It's just overkill.

/Obscure?

HighOnCraic: Sabyen91: HawkEyes: SeismicJizzer: send them to crawford

Actually that would be the funniest use of eminent domain ever. Take the ranch.

I think it would be cruel and unusual.

It's just overkill.

/Obscure?

Well, obscure to me. I don't recognize it.

Sabyen91: HighOnCraic: Sabyen91: HawkEyes: SeismicJizzer: send them to crawford

Actually that would be the funniest use of eminent domain ever. Take the ranch.

I think it would be cruel and unusual.

It's just overkill.

/Obscure?

Well, obscure to me. I don't recognize it.

Think Australian bands from the 80s. . .

HighOnCraic: Sabyen91: HighOnCraic: Sabyen91: HawkEyes: SeismicJizzer: send them to crawford

Actually that would be the funniest use of eminent domain ever. Take the ranch.

I think it would be cruel and unusual.

It's just overkill.

/Obscure?

Well, obscure to me. I don't recognize it.

Think Australian bands from the 80s. . .

Ahh, Men at Work! I think you meant think of the only 80's Australian band other than Midnight Oil. :)

Sabyen91: HighOnCraic: Sabyen91: HighOnCraic: Sabyen91: HawkEyes: SeismicJizzer: send them to crawford

Actually that would be the funniest use of eminent domain ever. Take the ranch.

I think it would be cruel and unusual.

It's just overkill.

/Obscure?

Well, obscure to me. I don't recognize it.

Think Australian bands from the 80s. . .

Ahh, Men at Work! I think you meant think of the only 80's Australian band other than Midnight Oil. :)

Hey, don't forget INXS!

HighOnCraic: Sabyen91: HighOnCraic: Sabyen91: HighOnCraic: Sabyen91: HawkEyes: SeismicJizzer: send them to crawford

Actually that would be the funniest use of eminent domain ever. Take the ranch.

I think it would be cruel and unusual.

It's just overkill.

/Obscure?

Well, obscure to me. I don't recognize it.

Think Australian bands from the 80s. . .

Ahh, Men at Work! I think you meant think of the only 80's Australian band other than Midnight Oil. :)

Hey, don't forget INXS!

Fair enough. I forgot the band that actually rocked :)

Speaking of Overkill...

I saw the frontman for Men At Work on the comedy "Scrubs" a few days ago. It was one of the best musical appearances I've ever seen in a regular television show. The band's frontman sings/plays "Overkill," and the ending was brilliant, though easy to misunderstand. Worth seeing, even if you don't particularly like that band.

Smackledorfer: As a michigander, my state could use the couple billion a year by keeping them in the upper peninsula, and you can bet your ass there are enough rednecks with guns up there that they wouldn't pose a danger :)

From what I understand, there is an unused maximum security prison somewhere in Montana (Havre I think) that they were considering using.

I think it would work quite well. The infrastructure is already there, escaping anytime between late October and March would probably mean freezing to death, and the rest of the time, plenty of people with guns.

Obama might think that Australia is sum kinda redneck wonderland, but the one thing he shouldn't do is underestimate how bad an idea it is to send those guys to the land down under. It's a mistake, and don't think that we don't know that we're all living in some kinda dreamworld, 'cause we all know that he want the best of both worlds, and when generals talk, who can stand in the way? Sure, people just love to play with words, but it's clear that he's committing the original sin of letting the power and the passion go to his head. Putting these terrist on a bus to Bondi with no restrictions and expecting no reaction? He must have head injuries! All the voices on the left are living under a star of hope and saying face the change, but only the wise thinkers on the right can see what goes on, and seeing is believing, so when the Aussies say "Return to Sender!" we don't want your trash in my country, the lieberal media is finally gonna go into a feeding frenzy. Just wait until 2012, when Obambi has to go one on one with Sara Pallin. We may have to suffer some good + bad times between now and then, but as long as we keep on biting bullets, we can kick that devil inside the White House back onto the streets, and he can take his suicidal blond secretary of state with him!

sunlion: Speaking of Overkill...

I saw the frontman for Men At Work on the comedy "Scrubs" a few days ago. It was one of the best musical appearances I've ever seen in a regular television show. The band's frontman sings/plays "Overkill," and the ending was brilliant, though easy to misunderstand. Worth seeing, even if you don't particularly like that band.

Was that the one where at the very end, Cox is standing around, talking to his dead best friend?

me_the_farker: FTA:Beijing has reportedly been pressing Washington to return them to China, but U.S. officials have expressed concerns about their likely treatment there

OMG just let them have them. The administration can get information and still hold the high ground about not them torturing them .

Except that they weren't terrorists. We already know this. They are from a minority group that China would like to eliminate. That's why they were sold to us, and that's why we can't send them back - they'll just be killed and they have done nothing to deserve it.

We can't release them....do you have any idea what they'll do to our coke???

Jim_Callahan: No.

Two choices:

(1) Try and convict or acquit them on US soil, and then imprison them here if conviction is the outcome.

(2) Extradite them to the country with jurisdiction (either their own country or the one in which the crime was committed) and prosecute them there.

End of farking story. Holding people without trial is simply not acceptable. It's no more acceptable for a half-black Democratic ivy-leaguer to do it than it was for a white Republican ivy-leaguer to do it a few years back.

Try reading the farking article next time.

1. They are innocent of terrorism against the US.
2. Their home country is likely to kill them if they are returned.
3. They were given to the US by China so WE would do THEIR dirty work.

Let's not do it - let's find a place where they will be safe.