Are you advocating the production and distribution of an illegal narcotic, subby?

good for you.

Most people that I know that live in Califonia are there for the environment... Awesome parks everywhere. If you close the parks whats the attraction for living there and why would you continue to pay high taxes for something you cant access?

Waait, he'd close the unique ones? Sure, a big-ass stand of pines is a big-ass stand of pines, but some of these are ecologies unknown elsewhere or historic sites, and must be protected.

When his park's famous elephant seals began arriving in the 1970s, Strachan said, there were no regular rangers. After a story about the seals ran in Sunset magazine, visitors began descending on the area without supervision.

"It was a nightmare. People were getting bitten and chased. Pups were getting harassed," Strachan said.

This is why we can't have nice things.

After seeing some weird helicopter stuff happening, I stumbled upon a cleanup operation a couple years ago when I was goofing off in King's Canyon. Literally tons of smelly green leafy substance in the picnic area waiting to be carted away. The military/law enforcement cleaner-uppers seemed kinda lazy and mellow...

Good luck watering your plants after 3 years of drought.

gopher321: Are you advocating the production and distribution of an illegal narcotic substance, subby?

good for you.

That has to be one of the better ideas for saving money if your goal is to discourage people from visiting the state. I didn't want to see the giant Redwoods anyway. It seems amazing that california cannot even run something like a state park at a profit. Maybe they should look into why that is and fix that problem because it is probably something that goes beyond the state parks.


Does the governator get paid for being the captain of this sinking ship of state?

gopher321: Are you advocating the production and distribution of an illegal narcotic, subby?

good for you.

Blanket statements about it be illegal are ignorant. Many folks can legally grow and distribute marijuana.

/legal for me..would rather be healthy

Rainstar: gopher321: Are you advocating the production and distribution of an illegal narcotic, subby?

good for you.

Blanket statements about it be illegal are ignorant. Many folks can legally grow and distribute marijuana.

/legal for me..would rather be healthy

hey smokey, he did not say anything about the production or the distribution being illegal. He called weed itself illegal. While that statement is not 100% accurate, it is well into the HIGH 89% range. From the construction of your post, I would guess that you are not only a distributor, but a client well.

For the record, opiates are narcotics. Marijuana is not, unless you are a cop. Do not give in to cop-based science.

nicksteel: hey smokey, he did not say anything about the production or the distribution being illegal. He called weed itself illegal. While that statement is not 100% accurate, it is well into the HIGH 89% range. From the construction of your post, I would guess that you are not only a distributor, but a client well.

Weed's not a narcotic, so you better dock another 10%, at least.

nicksteel: From the construction of your post, I would guess that you are not only a distributor, but a client well.

I'd tap your client well, sugarcheeks. *wink*

How can the state 'close' public land? if it's 'public land' and the public wants access....they can't really keep them out, can they?

TripSixes: Do not give in to cop-based science.



Nor cop math.

Weaver95: How can the state 'close' public land?


Exactly.

Weaver95: How can the state 'close' public land? if it's 'public land' and the public wants access....they can't really keep them out, can they?

I used that defense when I went to the Pentagon, but they still wouldn't let me in everywhere.

Number41: Weaver95: How can the state 'close' public land? if it's 'public land' and the public wants access....they can't really keep them out, can they?

I used that defense when I went to the Pentagon, but they still wouldn't let me in everywhere.

I wasn't aware that the Pentagon was designed for full public access...when did THAT change go into effect?

Weaver95: I wasn't aware that the Pentagon was designed for full public access...when did THAT change go into effect?

I was under the impression that any publicly-owned land was open to the public.

Phil Herup: Weaver95: How can the state 'close' public land?


Exactly.

What will the state government do if/when people ignore the warning signs, bust the locks out and go into public land despite it being 'closed'? All it takes is ONE group to start ignoring the signs and the rest of the herd will follow.

Number41: Weaver95: I wasn't aware that the Pentagon was designed for full public access...when did THAT change go into effect?

I was under the impression that any publicly-owned land was open to the public.

you rode the short bus to school, didn't you?

Weaver95: you rode the short bus to school, didn't you?

So the state can close public land?

Number41: Weaver95: you rode the short bus to school, didn't you?

So the state can close public land?

I always figured "Public" land was just State Land: Currently Open to Public

Number41: Weaver95: you rode the short bus to school, didn't you?

So the state can close public land?

All public land is identical?

Weaver95: How can the state 'close' public land?

It's called a 'locked gate'.

Gaviota SP and Julia Pfeiffer Burns SP are both on the closing list. This makes me sad.

Weaver95: All public land is identical?

Well, apparently the government can make some public land open to everyone, and other public land closed to almost everyone. Which makes you think that they can change classifications on a piece of land.

...I guess that's the answer to your original question.

I thought the Mexican drug cartels already used a chunk of California state parks to grow their weed. There is no way I'm gonna step on their toes just to grow my own.

Weaver95: How can the state 'close' public land? if it's 'public land' and the public wants access....they can't really keep them out, can they?


Walk into a public elementary school Monday morning and watch what happens.

I would pay for the video.

Sodium Benzoate: Number41: Weaver95: you rode the short bus to school, didn't you?

So the state can close public land?

I always figured "Public" land was just State Land: Currently Open to Public

What the land is used for makes the difference. Public parks are designed for use by the public. That was the stated intent for their development. Number41 knows that. he's just being deliberately obtuse.

I'm wondering how the state intends to keep people out of parks if/when they shut them down. Post a sign and hope people obey? putting guards on the land wouldn't be practical - that is a LOT of ground for a rent a cop to cover. And that would cost money.

Tarkus: Weaver95: How can the state 'close' public land?

It's called a 'locked gate'.

I have bolt cutters in the trunk.

The park is now OPEN!

Occam's Chainsaw: Waait, he'd close the unique ones? Sure, a big-ass stand of pines is a big-ass stand of pines, but some of these are ecologies unknown elsewhere or historic sites, and must be protected.

Yeah... I don't think they are planning on paving them right over. Just not letting the public in for a while.

Weaver95: How can the state 'close' public land? if it's 'public land' and the public wants access....they can't really keep them out, can they?

It's called "equity and liability." As soon as someone gets injured at an un-maintained or un-supervised facility, lawsuits ensue.

And the public value of the land will be greatly diminished if unsupervised use continues -- pollution, destruction, etc.

Public lands are assets owned by the public. They aren't necessarily for unrestricted public use.

Lenny_da_Hog: It's called "equity and liability." As soon as someone gets injured at an un-maintained or un-supervised facility, lawsuits ensue.

I don't think the homeless or illegal aliens will much care about any of that.

my guess? the 'normal people' will stay out. they'll read the signs and like good little worker bees they'll go away. But the desperate, the people looking for a place to be bad, the druggies...those people will ignore the signage. they see a place they can claim for themselves. They won't care about lawsuits or potentially dangerous situations. They just care about staying out of sight of the cops.

CruJones: Yeah... I don't think they are planning on paving them right over. Just not letting the public in for a while.

Sure, but they're running on a serious deficit. How long until someone approaches the state and says, "It's a crying shame that this is no longer accessible to the taxpayers. Tell ya what, you let us develop this tiny unobtrusive corner, and we'll make sure that the rest of the land is properly managed and available to the public,"?

Occam's Chainsaw: Sure, but they're running on a serious deficit. How long until someone approaches the state and says, "It's a crying shame that this is no longer accessible to the taxpayers. Tell ya what, you let us develop this tiny unobtrusive corner, and we'll make sure that the rest of the land is properly managed and available to the public,"?

that's a nasty thought.

Weaver95: I don't think the homeless or illegal aliens will much care about any of that.

my guess? the 'normal people' will stay out. they'll read the signs and like good little worker bees they'll go away. But the desperate, the people looking for a place to be bad, the druggies...those people will ignore the signage. they see a place they can claim for themselves. They won't care about lawsuits or potentially dangerous situations. They just care about staying out of sight of the cops.

Weaver? Buddy? Your worldview has been getting more and more... bleak over the past six months or so. I highly doubt the crackheads are going to go all Mad Max in state parks. They already have the projects for that.

If there is a beach in one direction and a snow covered mountain in the other, then I'll be fine with this.

Once Ahnold takes away mah beach, there Will Be A FIIIREE FIIIGHHT

This really sucks!

:(

/hates our politicians.

I LOL'd

When I was a kid I was always in archaeology camp every summer because my dad was school board pres and local archaeology society big shot and a trustee of the local history museum.....

We cleared a hilltop to conduct a dig on a civil war battery and set up our stakes and all that goodness....The site had huge tree cover from medium sized trash trees and thick under growth...took us 2 days to clear it.

It rained so we weren't up there for a few days then when we got back, someone had planted 12" MJ plants all over the top of the hill where we had cleared all the brush.

At the time the dig captains decided not to call the police because they didnt want trouble at the other battery on the next hill top......That should have made me suspicious I guess.....

Occam's Chainsaw: Weaver? Buddy? Your worldview has been getting more and more... bleak over the past six months or so. I highly doubt the crackheads are going to go all Mad Max in state parks. They already have the projects for that.

I just watched a story on cnn about caltrans rousting a bunch of homeless out of a 'cave' under the freeway. something like 30 people (or more) were living there, and had been there for quite some time. there was even evidence of families down there.

And that's just ONE story. I wonder just how big our homeless problem is going to get. And i'm not seeing any reason to be optimistic about our fiscal state of affairs.

Occam's Chainsaw: CruJones: Yeah... I don't think they are planning on paving them right over. Just not letting the public in for a while.

Sure, but they're running on a serious deficit. How long until someone approaches the state and says, "It's a crying shame that this is no longer accessible to the taxpayers. Tell ya what, you let us develop this tiny unobtrusive corner, and we'll make sure that the rest of the land is properly managed and available to the public,"?

Best idea yet.

EX-Governor Blagojevich did this in Illinois last year. Like several of his other unpopular orders, it was reversed by Gov Quinn. Too bad the state is still in the red and once again they can't agree on a budget.

Weaver95: And that's just ONE story. I wonder just how big our homeless problem is going to get. And i'm not seeing any reason to be optimistic about our fiscal state of affairs.

And yet I've heard you decry welfare as being for the lazy on the short.

I suggest, as a humble alternative, that hanging the rich buys bread for the poor. La guillotine could be warmed up on the short, and you damn sure know that there are dozens, hundreds at AIG, Citi, Countrywide, ExxonMobil who have it coming.

I'm still not over it: EX-Governor Blagojevich did this in Illinois last year. Like several of his other unpopular orders, it was reversed by Gov Quinn. Too bad the state is still in the red and once again they can't agree on a budget.

yeah, I think my state is gonna have another knock down/drag out budget fight this year.

Number41: Weaver95: you rode the short bus to school, didn't you?

So the state can close public land?

"Public-owned" is not the same thing as "public property". Technically, the taxpayers own every F-22 in operation, but try and get the keys to one sometime. As taxpayers, we own the Pentagon, Cheyenne Mountain, Area 51 and AUTEC, but we do not have the right to just saunter on in.

Occam's Chainsaw: And yet I've heard you decry welfare as being for the lazy on the short.

that's because I'm pretty sure there are a LOT of people who do abuse the welfare system for fun and profit. That said, right now I think welfare is the only thing that's keeping us from having riots in the streets over this whole economic implosion thing wall street is having this year. sooner or later tho, something has gotta give.

I suggest, as a humble alternative, that hanging the rich buys bread for the poor. La guillotine could be warmed up on the short, and you damn sure know that there are dozens, hundreds at AIG, Citi, Countrywide, ExxonMobil who have it coming.

the stopgap solution for the rich and powerful is to keep money flowing into the welfare system. But that's not going to work forever. Eventually the economy collapses in on itself. we're not there yet. A couple more years, a harsh winter or two...and some more major corporation failures (and subsequent public bailout)...that should do it.

Even the super rich are gonna feel the pinch with this collapse.

Weaver95: the stopgap solution for the rich and powerful is to keep money flowing into the welfare system. But that's not going to work forever. Eventually the economy collapses in on itself. we're not there yet. A couple more years, a harsh winter or two...and some more major corporation failures (and subsequent public bailout)...that should do it.

Even the super rich are gonna feel the pinch with this collapse.

What's the timeline on turning Sideling Hill into an reinforced underground bunker? It would be useful against nuclear apocalypse, economic apocalypse, and zombie apocalypse.

Hagbardr: What's the timeline on turning Sideling Hill into an reinforced underground bunker? It would be useful against nuclear apocalypse, economic apocalypse, and zombie apocalypse.

there's ways to avoid total collapse. I'm just not sure anyone in the federal government wants to do it tho.

what an asinine idea. whatever, i'll just drive up to the closed gate and climb over it.



/closing anza borrego will bum me out