It's a shame the shrubbery ruined what used to be a beautiful landscape.

Ronald Reagan? THE ACTOR?!

today's party is so far to the right Limbaugh and Beck would crucify someone like Reagan. Much less that socialist Nixon or pinko Eisenhower.

Lol I just googled images of "bush" and realized how farking upset it makes me just to see his face; does anyone get that sensation?

Hobodeluxe: today's party is so far to the right Limbaugh and Beck would crucify someone like Reagan. Much less that socialist Nixon or pinko Eisenhower.

This.

he wasn't conservative enough.

Hero my ass.

The guy that began the march of blowing through federal dollars like no one's business? That traditional conservative?

Lando Lincoln: The guy that began the march of blowing through federal dollars like no one's business? That traditional conservative?

He certainly didn't toe the line laid down in his own speeches, that's for sure.

Lando Lincoln: The guy that began the march of blowing through federal dollars like no one's business? That traditional conservative?

That'd be the guy.

Why the hell was this resurrected from the dead? Reagan is the guy who wrecked the Republican Party and started our current financial clusterfark by spouting deregulation bullshiat. Reagan did nothing good. NOTHING.

F*ck Reagan. He had us invade Grenada, El Salvador, Panama, and other countries that were no threat to us whatsoever because they wouldn't do business on our terms.

My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes.
Ronald Reagan, Said during a radio microphone test, 1984
40th president of US (1911 - 2004)


That's my favorite Reagan quote.

Some of this stuff is incredibly great or true

- "Freedom is one of the deepest and noblest aspirations of the human spirit."

The word Freedom might be bandied about willy-nilly nowadays, but the fact is, aspiration of a man to be free of bondage and free is indeed one of the deepest desires and something that men yearns for.

It's harder to relate to in a place like America, where we're complacent about what we have, but it's incredibly relevant to people who are not lucky enough to live under a free democracy where they don't need to fear that the government will bust down their doors at night and whisker them away due to the fact they expressed the wrong opinion.

- The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.
- I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves.
- The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
- History teaches that wars begin when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.

If only the last administration that holds Reagan so dear would have listened to that last one. Over and over and over.

Some are just funny funny

- I have left orders to be awakened at any time in case of national emergency, even if I'm in a cabinet meeting.
- Thomas Jefferson once said, 'We should never judge a president by his age, only by his works.' And ever since he told me that, I stopped worrying.

or both true and funny

- "How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."
- Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many rewards, if you disgrace yourself you can always write a book.
- Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.
- The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'

Now let's have a flamewar where half of the people bashing him were either not born or in diapers during his Presidency discuss some of these quotes and agree that, whether we agree or disagree with his politics, he wasn't called the Great Communicator for no reason.

Weaver95: My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes.
Ronald Reagan, Said during a radio microphone test, 1984
40th president of US (1911 - 2004)


That's my favorite Reagan quote.

Yeah I left that one off my list because it's been mentioned so much, but it's a great one as well

Reagan is why the fundies have made the republican party a joke.

Quotes are just telling half of the story, however. His speeches were quite something.

Berlin Address ("Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate. Tear down this wall, Mr. Gorbachev!")

The Challenger Tragedy

A Time for Choosing

and indeed the Evil Empire speech.

shivashakti: He had us invade Grenada, El Salvador, Panama, and other countries that were no threat to us whatsoever because they wouldn't do business on our terms.

Actually, it Bush I that invaded Panama in histories most expensive Warrant Service...not trying to be a History Nazi, but I had to go on that little adventure an almost bought the farm. You are, however, correct in your summation of WHY these countries were invaded.

How did that buffoon become so damned sainted in the last few years?

Nobody gave a rat's ass about him for years after he left office.

TommyymmoT: How did that buffoon become so damned sainted in the last few years?

I actually read an article a few months back about the Neo-Con Think Tank that started the Reagan Canonization process. While Clinton was in office the wrote a series of articles inflating his legacy which trickled into the MSM. It was a brilliantly conceived act of Retroactive Continuity.

/I'd Google the article, but I just don't care

TommyymmoT: How did that buffoon become so damned sainted in the last few years?

Nobody gave a rat's ass about him for years after he left office.

Because the GOP needed an idea for something to get them going, and blowing the guy who thought he brought down the USSR and had a bunch of idiotic financial ideas seemed like a good idea apparantly. All Reagan did was get the USSR to fall a couple years before it would have anyway and in the process nearly scare them into nuking us out of existence.

Facts are stupid things.
- Ronald Reagan

And boldly, the legacy carries on...

GAT_00: Why the hell was this resurrected from the dead? Reagan is the guy who wrecked the Republican Party and started our current financial clusterfark by spouting deregulation bullshiat. Reagan did nothing good. NOTHING.

he also started the "you are either with us or against us" bullshiat
and the "war on something stoopid" meme
how is that war on drugs going?

he was also, strange but true, responsible for one of the largest tax increases, EVER, but they never mention that?

namatad: he also started the "war on something stoopid" meme

The War on Poverty is the name for legislation first introduced by United States President Lyndon B. Johnson during his State of the Union address on January 8, 1964.

The War on Drugs is a prohibition campaign undertaken by the United States government with the assistance of participating countries, intended to reduce the illegal drug trade - to curb supply and diminish demand for specific psychoactive substances deemed immoral, harmful, dangerous, or undesirable. This initiative includes a set of laws and policies that are intended to discourage the production, distribution, and consumption of targeted substances. The term was first used by President Richard Nixon in 1969,[1] and his choice of words was probably based on the War on Poverty, announced by President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964.

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
Ronald Reagan

HAHAHAHA
if he believed this, why did he spend so much money?
bwhahahahahaha

oh wait, he wasn't actually in charge now was he, alzheimers
nice jorb GOP!!

the patron saint was out to lunch and no one would ask him to step down?
talk about setting a new standard

Tatsuma: The War on Poverty is the name for legislation first introduced by United States President Lyndon B. Johnson during his State of the Union address on January 8, 1964.

DAMNIT
I knew that, but had forgotten.
you are correct
rtard DEMS started the stoopid meme
GOP fell for it.
now we are screwed by both sides by it

/sigh

namatad: oh wait, he wasn't actually in charge now was he, alzheimers
nice jorb GOP!!

Also, this is a very low and frankly disgusting argument that reflects very poorly on you.

Alzheimer's disease, especially 20 years ago was not only much less understood than it is today, but there's also the fact that he was diagnosed in 1994. Clear symptoms only appeared in 1992.

Did he suffer from very small and mild side effects of this very terrible disease during the last couple of years in office? Possibly. It takes years for the disease to have a real impact on someone's personality. Which is why it was diagnosed in 1994 instead of the first second he had his first symptom which could have simply been old age. However, doctors looked into it and never found any evidence the disease had kicked in then.

As the head of the UK's Alzheimer's Disease Society said, "Ronald Reagan's openness has done a great deal to raise the profile of Alzheimer's disease, "It is probably the single most important event in terms of raising public awareness... He enabled us to take the whole debate forward in a way that would not have otherwise have been possible - he speeded things up fantastically."


Seriously, this is a scumbag accusation. You can attack him on his policies but to attack him on this is a vile, baseless attack. You should be ashamed, in fact.

Start learning

Tatsuma: Clear symptoms only appeared in 1992.

hahaah
yah, the rest of us knew that he was farked in the head long before your "clear symptoms"

LEARN
he didnt recall anything during the contra-hearings
so either he was lying, forgot or had no clue
pick one

either way, he wasnt home

so - you learn about the truth about saint - fark the country over - reagan, and then we can talk

/must be tuff for you to ignore facts and still believe the same old same old
/fool me once you wont get fooled again

They misspelled Goldwater.

Ennuipoet: Actually, it Bush I that invaded Panama in histories most expensive Warrant Service...not trying to be a History Nazi, but I had to go on that little adventure an almost bought the farm. You are, however, correct in your summation of WHY these countries were invaded.

You're absolutely right. My apologies. I stand corrected.

If that fundamentalist retard Ronald Reagan is correct and there is a hell, I do enjoy the thought of him being sodomized by demons for all eternity, as he deserves.

The philosophical difference between Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush is pretty minimal. Their only difference is in the execution -- or, perhaps, their level of luck.

Barry Goldwater, on the other hand...

Huh. I figgered the quotes would be from Eisenhower.

SchlingFocker: They misspelled Goldwater.

That's a win, sir.

Get the boy a cigar.

I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves.

Interesting how some have forgotten about this.

Clicked on the link expecting Barry Goldwater.

Instead found quotes from his idiot student.

Not amused.

SchlingFocker: They misspelled Goldwater.

was about to say the same thing...

Weaver95: My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes.
Ronald Reagan, Said during a radio microphone test, 1984
40th president of US (1911 - 2004)


That's my favorite Reagan quote.

I like it, too.

But it's probably one of the only of those "quotes" that wasn't penned by a speechwriter.

ronald reagan was the devil

Isn't it time for republicans to step into the 21st century and quit trying to relive 1984?

Reflexive obstructionism and faux outrage is not a viable political strategy. Attempting to portray the democratically elected party as the problem ignores all the genuine challenges we face and gives more than a faint impression that the republicanism is all about preserving the entrenched special interests currently inhibiting our progress in critical areas.

If republicans want to improve upon their standing among voters they're going to have to come up to date on the critical issues of our time. Namely (1) the acceptance of anthropogenic climate change as a fact of life, (2)the need to develop and upregulate sustainable technologies including alternative energy, (3)the crisis we have in getting a system of adequate & affordable health-care to everyone, that doesn't intercalate a for-profit insurance agency between the patient and a doctor, and (4) the acceptance that it can only be considered an expansionist government that interjects itself into the most private decisions individuals will make.

It takes a considerable amount of nerve for that movement to keep labeling itself as "conservative".

Conservative of our environment and natural resources? No.
Conservative foreign policy? No.
Conservative spending? No.
Conservative of government interference in the private lives of the citizenry? No.

The great question republicans must answer to stay relevant:

Why do they keep calling it conservatism ? ? ?

Tatsuma: www.opaquelucidity.com

I think I've now seen all of the TNG episodes on Scifi channel reruns that contain various facepalms.

The classic facepalm is from an episode where Q loses his powers and comes to the Enterprise. He tells Picard that he's more or less 'the closest things in this universe i have to a friend.' And Picard facepalsm.

The double facepalm is from an episode where Data creates a "child" -- another android -- and Starfleet wants to take it for research. Data and Picard are discussing the matter, and it eventually leads to Picard double-facepalming.

The Riker facepalm is from an episode where he's accused of killing a scientist to get to her wife, and he goes before an overzealous tribunal that wants to investigate him in the matter.

I'm making my way through the DS9 series, and I haven't discovered the episodes behind the Sisko and Worf facepalms.

Actually, the Worf facepalm could also be from one of the last 3 TNG movies. I'm not sure.

fark RAYGUN

"Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."

"Coersion, after all, merely captures man. Freedom captivates him."

"I call upon the scientific community in our country, those who gave us nuclear weapons, to turn their great talents now to the cause of mankind and world peace: to give us the means of rendering these nuclear weapons impotent and obsolete."

"If you're afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside. The people of this country are ready to move again."

"No arsenal ... is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women."

"There are no great limits to growth because there are no limits of human intelligence, imagination, and wonder."

"Thomas Jefferson once said, 'We should never judge a president by his age, only by his works.' And ever since he told me that, I stopped worrying."

If Obama were to say any of these- and I could envision Obama using any of those- he would not get the same reaction Reagan would. I could even envision a Limbaugh or a Steele claiming that Obama took Reagan out of context.

Reagan's basically become a he's-on-our-side equivalent of Goldstein from 1984. Repurpose him for whatever suits their needs.

Nucleus: Why do they keep calling it conservatism ? ? ?

Because it's the opposite of "liberalism" as embodied in the Democratic Party.

The Reagan worship never ceases to amaze me. Yes, he had great speechwriters and great delivery, but while his words were inspirational, his actions never lived up to the standard his words set.

Any other President would have been absolutely crucified for Iran-Contra; it was by far the most illegal act carried out by any President in history. Nixon's antics look like frat-boy pranks in comparison. Kenneth Starr would have had Clinton's balls nailed to the White House had Clinton been President instead. Not only does Reagan not get impeached, the scandal barely affects him.