Yeah - its Kos being the crazy one in that conversation. Sure.

Tancredo only deserves being mocked.

Probably old news... but it struck me as funny (sad) and typical...

As a Republican student activist Tancredo spoke in support of the Vietnam War. After graduating from the University of Northern Colorado he became eligible to serve in Vietnam in June 1969. Tancredo has said he went for his physical, telling doctors he had been treated for depression, and eventually got a "1-Y" deferment[6]

I'm trying to decide if this is worse than the time Hilldog said Obama wasn't a Muslin "as far as I know". I think it is.

Whatever happened to her anyway? I though she was going to spend all of her time as SoS undermining the President in a bid for the nom in 2012. Guess that was just another wingnut fantasy like how she was going to wreak havoc at the Dem convention.

Sorry for the threadjack, but morans like Tancredo just aren't worth bothering with. He's just putting more nails in the Republican party's coffin anyway.

When did Tom Tancredo become relevant again? He's not in office, running for anything, or even some sort of conservative movement leader. It's almost like news stations went, "A Hispanic nominee? We need to call that guy who hated Hispanics. It'll be hilarious."

40yoVirgin: Probably old news... but it struck me as funny (sad) and typical...

As a Republican student activist Tancredo spoke in support of the Vietnam War. After graduating from the University of Northern Colorado he became eligible to serve in Vietnam in June 1969. Tancredo has said he went for his physical, telling doctors he had been treated for depression, and eventually got a "1-Y" deferment[6]

And that's what he SAYS. He probably copped out as gay.

Number41: When did Tom Tancredo become relevant again? He's not in office, running for anything, or even some sort of conservative movement leader. It's almost like news stations went, "A Hispanic nominee? We need to call that guy who hated Hispanics. It'll be hilarious."

He's going to be running for Governor of somewhere in 2010 as one of the Fresh New Faces of Conservatism. This is just his staging position.

/Don't see how he could possibly fail.

Obama: raised by his WHITE mother, and WHITE grandparents.

Republicans: Obama is racist

What? Against himself? Didn't they whine when he flew out to Hawaii to see his grandmother before she died?

Were they suggesting it was some sort of Tony Soprano "I hope you die, mother" flight?

Obama: racist agenda against himself...

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Lost Thought 00: Fresh New Faces of Conservatism

I hope it's obvious that all the faces of conservatism are as farked up as Tancredo and Newt. That's how farked up you have to be to espouse the conservative viewpoint.

I would guess Obama is moar racist than the libs give him credit for. He himself probably witnessed and experienced quite a bit of discriminiation in his life, so I do not entirely blame him. But as POTUS he should keep it under wraps.


His associations with the certified Rev Jerremiah for a shiatload of years is significant whether you want to admit it or not Obamapologists.

He thinks white America is bunch of race cowards anyway, as he never denounced the buffoonery that was said by his AG.

I don't know if Tom Tancredo has stopped beating hookers and stealing their coke yet.

I can't for sure know if Tom Tancredo has beaten his internet porn addiction yet.

All Apologies: I don't know if Tom Tancredo has stopped beating hookers and stealing their coke yet.

I can't for sure know if Tom Tancredo has beaten his internet porn addiction yet.

From what I can tell, the hookers and coke are helping him deal with his porn addiction.

I can assert that Tom Tancredo HAS stopped holding office. Why do we keep putting microphones in his face? Even the lunatic fringe in Colorado didn't want him around any more.

Tancredo was on Thom Hartmann (liberal talk show host) a few weeks ago and he was quite good.

He gave a very unbiased statement about why both Dems and Repubs like to see illegal immigrants flooding into the US.

Phil Herup:
I would guess Obama is moar racist than the libs give him credit for.

Everyone is racist, to some extent. I despise racism, and I'm still racist, because I make assumptions about people based on their ethnicity/culture. Granted, I try to discard those in the face of actual data, but I still assume.

Tor_Eckman: Guess that was just another wingnut fantasy like how she was going to wreak havoc at the Dem convention.

Well, she sort of did...just not directed where they were hoping.

No Such Agency: Everyone is racist, to some extent.

Some peoples racism has bad consequences associated with it while other peoples racism have none.

When poor, powerless people are racist it means nothing.

40yoVirgin: Probably old news... but it struck me as funny (sad) and typical...

As a Republican student activist Tancredo spoke in support of the Vietnam War. After graduating from the University of Northern Colorado he became eligible to serve in Vietnam in June 1969. Tancredo has said he went for his physical, telling doctors he had been treated for depression, and eventually got a "1-Y" deferment[6]

Yep. My generation's war was Vietnam, and I have vivid memories of all the rich-kid, "young Republicans" sitting out the war on college campuses, all the while excoriating those who opposed it as "traitors".
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Phil Herup:
His associations with the certified Rev Jerremiah for a shiatload of years is significant whether you want to admit it or not Obamapologists.

I always thought this was an interesting fallacy of an attack against Obama. Now, I don't go to church, but I used to. I had a pastor who was pretty conservative, and I disagreed with him on many different things. He was against gay marriage, for example. I didn't flee from the church because of this one disagreement (I left for other reasons). He was a great person who took care of our congregation and did a lot for the community. I wouldn't run off because of a couple of philosophical disagreement.

So my point is, I don't really see why Obama should have left his church, either. There is not a rule that says you have to agree with every statement a pastor makes in every sermon. I would hope nobody just eats up whatever they are told by their religious leaders (which is just wishful thinking). We don't know if Obama was awkwardly squirming in his sear during those sermons, jumping up and down screaming "Amen," or asleep in the pew. So I think it is a stretch to say Obama is a racist because his pastor said some things that hurt somebody's feelings this one time.

jso2897: 40yoVirgin: Probably old news... but it struck me as funny (sad) and typical...

As a Republican student activist Tancredo spoke in support of the Vietnam War. After graduating from the University of Northern Colorado he became eligible to serve in Vietnam in June 1969. Tancredo has said he went for his physical, telling doctors he had been treated for depression, and eventually got a "1-Y" deferment[6]

Yep. My generation's war was Vietnam, and I have vivid memories of all the rich-kid, "young Republicans" sitting out the war on college campuses, all the while excoriating those who opposed it as "traitors".
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

jso2897: 40yoVirgin: Probably old news... but it struck me as funny (sad) and typical...

As a Republican student activist Tancredo spoke in support of the Vietnam War. After graduating from the University of Northern Colorado he became eligible to serve in Vietnam in June 1969. Tancredo has said he went for his physical, telling doctors he had been treated for depression, and eventually got a "1-Y" deferment[6]

Yep. My generation's war was Vietnam, and I have vivid memories of all the rich-kid, "young Republicans" sitting out the war on college campuses, all the while excoriating those who opposed it as "traitors".
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

It must be true. Oliver Stone proved as much.

People should be judged only by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.

I hope Obama feels the same way someday.


/I'm going out to the barn to feed my unicorn his lunch of Lucky Charms now

I don't know if Tancredo prefers to eat human embryos battered and deep-fried or baked in a pie.

My dearest white, anglo-saxon, protestant, republican retards, you are not being oppressed. STFU.

Sincerely, the rest of the world.

chipspastic: I don't know if Tancredo prefers to eat human embryos battered and deep-fried or baked in a pie.



Me either, I am just glad to know he keeps his wife in line.

Hibno

I hope you would change churches if the pastor started blaming all the world's problems on whitey or blacks or jooooos or (insert group here).

That's not a minor problem.

unlikely: I can assert that Tom Tancredo HAS stopped holding office. Why do we keep putting microphones in his face? Even the lunatic fringe in Colorado didn't want him around any more.

Your statement flys in the face of reality.

One of Tancredo's main points is that illegal immigrants should not be granted amnesty. When Bush and some in congress (both dem and repub) tried to give the illegals amnesty their attempts got squashed in short order because of overwhelming opposition from both cons and liberals.

In that respect Tancredo is very much in step with the public.

Phil Herup: chipspastic: I don't know if Tancredo prefers to eat human embryos battered and deep-fried or baked in a pie.

Me either, I am just glad to know he keeps his wife in line.

Yeah, well, how many times did she need to be tasered before she learned to STFU when men are talking?

I have a weird problem with Kos -- every time I click on a link to the site, the status bar at the bottom of the Firefox window makes it appear as if things are being loaded, but all I ever see is a blank screen.

Anyone else have this problem? Is there an easy fix? Thanks in advance...

No Such Agency: Everyone is racist, to some extent. I despise racism, and I'm still racist, because I make assumptions about people based on their ethnicity/culture. Granted, I try to discard those in the face of actual data, but I still assume.

You sound fat.

phaseolus: Is there an easy fix? Thanks in advance...


Sure... never clik on KOS. It causes retardation.

You're welcome.

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QFT

If it makes you feel any better, Tancredo lost most of his wealth to Bernie Madoff's Ponzi scheme. But it was through a feeder fund, so he doesn't even get the $500,000 SIPC insurance for direct investors.

So he has that going for him, which is nice.

I don't know if Tancredo was the high school senior that was asked, when he wanted to use the bathroom for a #2, why he didn't put his hand up earlier... only to reply "I did, but it ran through my fingers".

Or if that was someone else. But it might have been him.

phaseolus: I have a weird problem with Kos -- every time I click on a link to the site, the status bar at the bottom of the Firefox window makes it appear as if things are being loaded, but all I ever see is a blank screen.

Anyone else have this problem? Is there an easy fix? Thanks in advance...

If you have Noscript, you're going to have to allow it to load scripts. It happened to me recently too. I guess they changed something recently.

Bob16: unlikely: I can assert that Tom Tancredo HAS stopped holding office. Why do we keep putting microphones in his face? Even the lunatic fringe in Colorado didn't want him around any more.

Your statement flys in the face of reality.

One of Tancredo's main points is that illegal immigrants should not be granted amnesty. When Bush and some in congress (both dem and repub) tried to give the illegals amnesty their attempts got squashed in short order because of overwhelming opposition from both cons and liberals.

In that respect Tancredo is very much in step with the public.

Well, every lunatic is right about something every now and then.

EdgeRunner:
No Such Agency: Everyone is racist, to some extent. I despise racism, and I'm still racist, because I make assumptions about people based on their ethnicity/culture. Granted, I try to discard those in the face of actual data, but I still assume.

You sound fat.

Good catch. I was once fat, but now am not. So I probably still sound fat.

Phil Herup: I would guess Obama is moar racist than the libs give him credit for. He himself probably witnessed and experienced quite a bit of discriminiation in his life, so I do not entirely blame him. But as POTUS he should keep it under wraps.


His associations with the certified Rev Jerremiah for a shiatload of years is significant whether you want to admit it or not Obamapologists.

He thinks white America is bunch of race cowards anyway, as he never denounced the buffoonery that was said by his AG.

Phil, shut. the. fark. up.

I know that you are a troll. I have a feeling that you're probably someone that I would get along with - but this "Phil" character you play on the internet is pathetic.

and if you are serious. then DIAF. a slow burning fire.

heinekenftw: Well, every lunatic is right about something every now and then.

It's not as simple as saying a broken clock is right 2 times a day. I'm sure some people would like to claim it's like that but it's not.

For example.

When Spitzer was gov of NY (briefly) he tried to give drivers licenses to illegal immigrants. Within 2 weeks of that announcement he lost 40 points off his approval rating in heavily liberal NY . Shortly after that he backed down.

Go ahead and dismiss the opposition to illegal immigranats if you want but then your dealing in the same kind of alternative universe talk that got the cons to where they are today.

Hibno: Phil Herup:
His associations with the certified Rev Jerremiah for a shiatload of years is significant whether you want to admit it or not Obamapologists.

I always thought this was an interesting fallacy of an attack against Obama. Now, I don't go to church, but I used to. I had a pastor who was pretty conservative, and I disagreed with him on many different things. He was against gay marriage, for example. I didn't flee from the church because of this one disagreement (I left for other reasons). He was a great person who took care of our congregation and did a lot for the community. I wouldn't run off because of a couple of philosophical disagreement.

So my point is, I don't really see why Obama should have left his church, either. There is not a rule that says you have to agree with every statement a pastor makes in every sermon. I would hope nobody just eats up whatever they are told by their religious leaders (which is just wishful thinking). We don't know if Obama was awkwardly squirming in his sear during those sermons, jumping up and down screaming "Amen," or asleep in the pew. So I think it is a stretch to say Obama is a racist because his pastor said some things that hurt somebody's feelings this one time.

I think it's pretty obvious that they do. That's why all the ways that their own Bible contradicts their actions and beliefs doesn't seem to faze them, and why the idea that somebody is not slavishly devoted to every word that emerges from an authority figure's mouth is so alien to them. It's why they think that the legalization of drugs is a tacit endorsement of them, and why they think that legalizing gay civil marriage will somehow change religious marriage.

They are not moral people, in and of themselves. Their idea of morality rests strictly on obedience of their "superiors".

NewportBarGuy: If it makes you feel any better, Tancredo lost most of his wealth to Bernie Madoff's Ponzi scheme. But it was through a feeder fund, so he doesn't even get the $500,000 SIPC insurance for direct investors.

So he has that going for him, which is nice.

Ha Ha! So funny, so fitting. Almost makes me believe in karma.

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12349876: If you have Noscript, you're going to have to allow it to load scripts. It happened to me recently too. I guess they changed something recently.

That was a good clue. I disabled Adblock for that site, and now everything's visible. Google gives 6140 hits for 'adblock dailykos' which I'll investigate later.

Phil Herup: Sure... never clik on KOS. It causes retardation.

You're welcome.

Care to suggest a site or two that causes the opposite of retardation? Just curious.

To be fair, the question he was asked is absolutely ridiculous:

"SHUSTER: Mr. Tancredo, do you agree that the Obama administration hates white people?"

Who asks suck a stupid question in the first place?

Bob16: heinekenftw: Well, every lunatic is right about something every now and then.

It's not as simple as saying a broken clock is right 2 times a day. I'm sure some people would like to claim it's like that but it's not.

For example.

When Spitzer was gov of NY (briefly) he tried to give drivers licenses to illegal immigrants. Within 2 weeks of that announcement he lost 40 points off his approval rating in heavily liberal NY . Shortly after that he backed down.

Go ahead and dismiss the opposition to illegal immigranats if you want but then your dealing in the same kind of alternative universe talk that got the cons to where they are today.

Ok got the point. The American public hates illegal immigrants. So please enlighten us as to why the elected politicians of this country do nothing about it? If so many people see this as such a huge problem how do said do nothing hacks continuie to get re-elected? Could it possibly be that very few voters really give a damn?

Bob16: Go ahead and dismiss the opposition to illegal immigranats if you want but then your dealing in the same kind of alternative universe talk that got the cons to where they are today.

There's a difference between opposing amnesty, and supporting the deportation of 12 million illegal immigrants and putting up a border fence.

HeartBurnKid: Hibno: Phil Herup:
His associations with the certified Rev Jerremiah for a shiatload of years is significant whether you want to admit it or not Obamapologists.

I always thought this was an interesting fallacy of an attack against Obama. Now, I don't go to church, but I used to. I had a pastor who was pretty conservative, and I disagreed with him on many different things. He was against gay marriage, for example. I didn't flee from the church because of this one disagreement (I left for other reasons). He was a great person who took care of our congregation and did a lot for the community. I wouldn't run off because of a couple of philosophical disagreement.

So my point is, I don't really see why Obama should have left his church, either. There is not a rule that says you have to agree with every statement a pastor makes in every sermon. I would hope nobody just eats up whatever they are told by their religious leaders (which is just wishful thinking). We don't know if Obama was awkwardly squirming in his sear during those sermons, jumping up and down screaming "Amen," or asleep in the pew. So I think it is a stretch to say Obama is a racist because his pastor said some things that hurt somebody's feelings this one time.

I think it's pretty obvious that they do. That's why all the ways that their own Bible contradicts their actions and beliefs doesn't seem to faze them, and why the idea that somebody is not slavishly devoted to every word that emerges from an authority figure's mouth is so alien to them. It's why they think that the legalization of drugs is a tacit endorsement of them, and why they think that legalizing gay civil marriage will somehow change religious marriage.

They are not moral people, in and of themselves. Their idea of morality rests strictly on obedience of their "superiors".

I would reason in the opposite way. The fact that millions of Catholics practice birth control yet still go to a church that tells them they shouldn't proves you can ignore anything the preacher sez.

Most church goers pick and choose what they are gonna pay attention too and throw away the rest.

I can see how Obama could sit in the congregation and not buy into what Wright was saying.

Number41: Bob16: Go ahead and dismiss the opposition to illegal immigranats if you want but then your dealing in the same kind of alternative universe talk that got the cons to where they are today.

There's a difference between opposing amnesty, and supporting the deportation of 12 million illegal immigrants and putting up a border fence.

THIS.

The way to get illegal immigration under control is to bust the employers. Once there's no jobs for them, they'll stop coming.

Bob16: I would reason in the opposite way. The fact that millions of Catholics practice birth control yet still go to a church that tells them they shouldn't proves you can ignore anything the preacher sez.

Most church goers pick and choose what they are gonna pay attention too and throw away the rest.

I can see how Obama could sit in the congregation and not buy into what Wright was saying.

Oh, you're absolutely right, when you're talking about reasonable people. I was talking about right-wing fundies.