"I, like, don' believe in opposite marraige and like and such as..."

I heard about this. So they want to 'defend' something they can't spell, by limiting participation?

See - this shows just how much it needs protecting. The gheys have undermined it's very spelling, let alone sanctity.

What a bunch of morans.

-Did you know Gay marriage caused WWII
-It also causes ear wax build up
-Males who shake hands with gays have automatic seizures
-Gays have been know to put gay sex websites in your browser bookmarks
-Gays make straight men have sex with them in bathrooms using Jedi mindtricks
/And such as

In before the "Obama's views on marriage is the same a Carrie Prejean's" WHARRGARBLers.

drjekel_mrhyde: -Did you know Gay marriage caused WWII
-It also causes ear wax build up
-Males who shake hands with gays have automatic seizures
-Gays have been know to put gay sex websites in your browser bookmarks
-Gays make straight men have sex with them in bathrooms using Jedi mindtricks
/And such as

Don't forget about dick cheese. Gay marriage causes dick cheese too.
And butt mustard.

PickinWhiskers: drjekel_mrhyde: -Did you know Gay marriage caused WWII
-It also causes ear wax build up
-Males who shake hands with gays have automatic seizures
-Gays have been know to put gay sex websites in your browser bookmarks
-Gays make straight men have sex with them in bathrooms using Jedi mindtricks
/And such as

Don't forget about dick cheese. Gay marriage causes dick cheese too.
And butt mustard.

And the extinction of the dodo.
And the break up of Crowded House.
And Terminator:Salvation sucking as much as it did.
And that time your computer froze, and you lost all that work? Gay marriage.

Gay marriage causes Uwe Boll to continue making movies.

Gay Marriage knocked the 11-5 New England Patriots* out of the playoffs while the 8-8 San Diego Chargers made it to the second round.

Gay Marriage is also the reason daylight savings started in March instead of April.

Conservatives really are farking dumb.

crab66: Conservatives really are farking dumb.

I heard a paid commercial on the radio demanding Obama's birth certificate.

Seabon: crab66: Conservatives really are farking dumb.

I heard a paid commercial on the radio demanding Obama's birth certificate.

/facepalm

Seabon: I heard a paid commercial on the radio demanding Obama's birth certificate.

I heard that Obama doesn't even have a real birth certificate because he's the product of a seekrit muslin gay marriage.

I ordered one of these the other day. I live in Florida, it should be entertaining.

Failing at both spelling and their mission. Nice.

dstanley: I ordered one of these the other day. I live in Florida, it should be entertaining.

No entertaining would be ordering 100, then sneaking in to church parking lots during sunday services and sticking them on random cars.

Tickle Mittens: dstanley: I ordered one of these the other day. I live in Florida, it should be entertaining.

No entertaining would be ordering 100, then sneaking in to church parking lots during sunday services and sticking them on random cars.

If you went by an Episcopal or UU church, you'd probably find them already. At least in the NE you would.

Britney Spear's Speculum: In before the "Obama's views on marriage is the same a Carrie Prejean's" WHARRGARBLers.

It's funny in a sad, pathetic sort of way that they can't tell the difference between personal views and their stances on policy. Obama opposes same-sex marriage bans that are sanctioned by the government (Prop 8 for instance), even if he disagrees with the idea of them marrying for religious/personal reasons.

I honestly think it's a copout that he tried to foist it onto our generation to take care of the Boomers sexual hangups and prejuidices, especially since it has seen great progress in Europe and Canada, but it's better that he say "This is something you have to fix because we're too pigheaded to do it ourselves" than to say "I never want to see it fixed".

Wait a minute, how many divorces are granted in churches?

Oh, none.

/STFU churchers unless you can finish what you preach.

I oppose the redefining of the term, "Skinnyhead". And believe it should retain its traditional definition of "goofy superstitious ignorant simpleton".

They really farked up that title: "same same sex marraige".

sunbird: PickinWhiskers: drjekel_mrhyde: -Did you know Gay marriage caused WWII
-It also causes ear wax build up
-Males who shake hands with gays have automatic seizures
-Gays have been know to put gay sex websites in your browser bookmarks
-Gays make straight men have sex with them in bathrooms using Jedi mindtricks
/And such as

Don't forget about dick cheese. Gay marriage causes dick cheese too.
And butt mustard.

And the extinction of the dodo.
And the break up of Crowded House.
And Terminator:Salvation sucking as much as it did.
And that time your computer froze, and you lost all that work? Gay marriage.

And a gay couple canceled Firefly.

0Icky0: I oppose the redefining of the term, "Skinnyhead". And believe it should retain its traditional definition of "goofy superstitious ignorant simpleton".

It's always been a synonym of "troll" to me.

Anybody have the video?

"Think same-sex marriage doesn't affect your family?" the voice-over narration asks. And the answer of course, is, "No. I actually know, for a fact, that same-sex marriage doesn't affect my family, except that my family is sad that the gay friends of my family cannot get married, for no reason!"

Bwahaha!! Exactly.

Anyone notice the "soilder" in the credits for terminator?

/damn near killed 'er

GoGoGo: Anyone notice the "soilder" in the credits for terminator?

/damn near killed 'er

You've been waiting a week at least to bust that one out, haven't you?

enry: Tickle Mittens: dstanley: I ordered one of these the other day. I live in Florida, it should be entertaining.

No entertaining would be ordering 100, then sneaking in to church parking lots during sunday services and sticking them on random cars.

If you went by an Episcopal or UU church, you'd probably find them already. At least in the NE you would.

I love the UU's. They're nice folks. Episcopalians, too, unless they're the breakaway rightwing churches.

drjekel_mrhyde
-Gays make straight men have sex with them in bathrooms using Jedi mindtricks

coffee not absorbed yet. at first I thought you said Jedi minitrucks and I envisioned remote control toy trucks rolling under stalls and flashing their lights in some gay code.

HeartBurnKid: sunbird: PickinWhiskers: drjekel_mrhyde: -Did you know Gay marriage caused WWII
-It also causes ear wax build up
-Males who shake hands with gays have automatic seizures
-Gays have been know to put gay sex websites in your browser bookmarks
-Gays make straight men have sex with them in bathrooms using Jedi mindtricks
/And such as

Don't forget about dick cheese. Gay marriage causes dick cheese too.
And butt mustard.

And the extinction of the dodo.
And the break up of Crowded House.
And Terminator:Salvation sucking as much as it did.
And that time your computer froze, and you lost all that work? Gay marriage.

And a gay couple canceled Firefly.

The smallest amount of research will also reveal gay marriage led to the thermal exhaust ports on the Death Star only being ray shielded.

dstanley: I ordered one of these the other day. I live in Florida, it should be entertaining.

As long as you possess a CCW, and a large, powerful handgun. You may need it.

PickinWhiskers:
Don't forget about dick cheese. Gay marriage causes dick cheese too.
And butt mustard.

Dick cheese and butt mustard: two great tastes that taste great together!

Murkanen: It's funny in a sad, pathetic sort of way that they can't tell the difference between personal views and their stances on policy. Obama opposes same-sex marriage bans that are sanctioned by the government (Prop 8 for instance), even if he disagrees with the idea of them marrying for religious/personal reasons.

Obama says that he defines marriage as between a man and a woman:

"I believe that marriage -- uhhh -- is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian, it's also a sacred union. Uhhhh - You know, God's in the mix." ~ Barack Obama

Legally, he says that marriage should be defined at the state level:

"It's been a matter of state law. That has been our tradition" ~ Barack Obama

He supports civil unions rather than gay marriage:

"I am not somebody who's promotes same-sex marriage, but I do believe in civil unions." ~ Barack Obama

Joe Biden assured the nation that Obama does not support gay marriage:

Moderator: "Senator, do you support gay marriage?"
Joe Biden: No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage. We do not support that."

So it was quite clear that these were not just personal views, but were stated as matters of law and policy on the issue of whether the government should give legal recognition to gay marriages. They said they do not support or promote gay marriage as a matter of policy but support civil unions as long as they don't redefine the traditional definition of marriage.

Me, Joe, and Barack have similar views in that regard.

SkinnyHead: Murkanen: It's funny in a sad, pathetic sort of way that they can't tell the difference between personal views and their stances on policy. Obama opposes same-sex marriage bans that are sanctioned by the government (Prop 8 for instance), even if he disagrees with the idea of them marrying for religious/personal reasons.

Obama says that he defines marriage as between a man and a woman: "I believe that marriage -- uhhh -- is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian, it's also a sacred union. Uhhhh - You know, God's in the mix." ~ Barack ObamaLegally, he says that marriage should be defined at the state level: "It's been a matter of state law. That has been our tradition" ~ Barack ObamaHe supports civil unions rather than gay marriage: "I am not somebody who's promotes same-sex marriage, but I do believe in civil unions." ~ Barack Obama Joe Biden assured the nation that Obama does not support gay marriage: Moderator: "Senator, do you support gay marriage?"
Joe Biden: No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage. We do not support that." So it was quite clear that these were not just personal views, but were stated as matters of law and policy on the issue of whether the government should give legal recognition to gay marriages. They said they do not support or promote gay marriage as a matter of policy but support civil unions as long as they don't redefine the traditional definition of marriage.

Me, Joe, and Barack have similar views in that regard.

It amazes me how you right-wing types constantly advertise those slim few areas you agree with the America-hating effete liberal black separatist secret Muslim socialist atheist messiah empty suit who is nothing without his teleprompter. If I buy everything you say about him, it doesn't exactly come across as a ringing endorsement of that point of view.

c7hu1hu fh746n: Gay marriage causes Uwe Boll to continue making movies.

Okay, now that is the first persuasive argument against gay marriage that I have heard.

PickinWhiskers: drjekel_mrhyde: -Did you know Gay marriage caused WWII
-It also causes ear wax build up
-Males who shake hands with gays have automatic seizures
-Gays have been know to put gay sex websites in your browser bookmarks
-Gays make straight men have sex with them in bathrooms using Jedi mindtricks
/And such as

Don't forget about dick cheese. Gay marriage causes dick cheese too.
And butt mustardSantorum.

lol :D

If they're supporting traditional marriage, they need to answer the following questions.

1. How detailed should the income summaries and family trees be that the bride's and groom's parents send to each other?
2. How early in advance should a contract be signed? Birth? Puberty?
3. What is the minimum and maximum dowry per bride?
4. How many wives may one man have at a time? (polygamous marriage dates back at least to ancient Egypt.)
5. What is the widest permissible class gap between bride's family and groom's family?

And others.

SkinnyHead: Me, Joe, and Barack have similar views in that regard.

And you're all wrong.

Surprising to see that you're all about Obama, though.

And the break up of Crowded House.

I tried to talk them out of it at the last Homosexual Association meeting but everyone just wanted to get home in time for Desperate Housewives.

psychosis_inducing: If they're supporting traditional marriage, they need to answer the following questions...

Nah, that's too hard. You win the argument.

There is a vast difference between a state declaring that something is permitted and a religion saying that something is permitted. States recognize marriages in churches as a matter of legislation, not mandate. States also recognize marriages in courts of law, while some religions do not (Catholics, for example). See how that works? Marriage as a civil institution vs. marriage as a religious institution, and see how both are treated equally by the state (or states, or nations, etc)? Gay marriage is a civil union, and *sometimes* a religiously sanctioned one as well.

For any states not to allow gay marriage is a violation of civil liberties. That's not really an arguable fact. I don't get how it is; I really don't. For a state to allow gay marriage may or may not violate your religious dogma - it doesn't matter, because the Constitution states that the government may not establish laws that favor any religion over another nor establish a religion of its own. Governments are free to tax churches and disband churches deemed to be a risk to the public at large. There's historical precedent for both these occasions. Gay marriage isn't a religious practice, nor is the EXCLUSION of gay marriage a religious practice; it's a matter of church doctrine.

States allow murder in some cases. States allow drunkenness. States allow pre-marital sex. States allow extortion (okay, insurance companies...to-MAY-toh, to-MAH-to), tattooing, gambling, and idolatry (we like to call it marketing). Somehow, the idea that it's allowing a gay couple to marry that really makes or breaks the whole "rampant secularism" deal is hard to swallow.

My list of preemptive rejoinders:

Gay marriage is NOT equivalent to allowing pedophilia/pederasty, incest or animal marriage because being gay doesn't mean you're raping someone.

Marriage is not about children, otherwise childless couples would be forced to divorce/annul in a legally recognized manner.

Marriage is not (only) about love, because a couple that genuinely loves one another on that level doesn't require marriage to stay together. If you do require that level of intervention to stay together, just save yourselves a lot of grief and break up.

Marriage is not sacred. The *idea* of marriage is sacred. The reality of marriage is often a messy, emotionally challenging test of wills and that has nothing to do with reproductive organs.

Marriage is usually about money, social status, and property rights. Being gay does not - or should not - affect your ability to enjoy any legal rights concerning those three things.

God doesn't exist. At the very least, not the way you keep trying to claim He does. Or Her. It. Them? You don't really know, you just think you do. So fark off. If God was the great guy you think he is, then the ten thousand people who just died in a brutal murder while you were reading this post must not have been worthy of His total, merciful, personal and unending compassion. Or were they?


/I call upon the powers of FLAME!

SkinnyHead: Me, Joe, and Barack have similar views in that regard.

Thanks for proving my point about not telling the difference between personal belief and his stances against governmental bans on the issue.

Aracnix: ...Gay marriage is a civil union...

Then let's just call it what it is: "Civil Union." That would be the best solution to the controversy. Leave laws governing normal marriage (i.e., union of man & woman) in place for those who are currently married and for people who want to enter into a normal marriage, and create Civil Unions for alternative unions and lifestyles that don't fit the traditional definition of marriage.

I think that would be a very reasonable compromise.

Murkanen: Thanks for proving my point about not telling the difference between personal belief and his stances against governmental bans on the issue.

When they talk about not supporting gay marriage, but supporting civil unions instead, sure sounds like they're expressing views on government policy rather than just stating personal beliefs.

If I don't understand the distinction you're trying to make, it's because you haven't adequately explained yourself.

When my fellow heteros can treat marriage with some form of sanctity and not as one of the following (incomplete list, feel free to add):

-A method to leech off of some rich man/woman who is three times your age.
-A way to save face when you knock-up your HS girlfriend.
-Las Vegas weddings. 'Nuff said.

Then maybe, just maybe, I'll give some attention to the "sactity of marriage" crowd.

/But not likely
//It's a farking legal status

Evil Ghandi: When my fellow heteros can treat marriage with some form of sanctity and not as one of the following (incomplete list, feel free to add):

-A method to leech off of some rich man/woman who is three times your age.
-A way to save face when you knock-up your HS girlfriend.
-Las Vegas weddings. 'Nuff said.

Then maybe, just maybe, I'll give some attention to the "sactity sanctity of marriage" crowd.

/But not likely
//It's a farking legal status

Curse you N key!!

SkinnyHead: Aracnix: ...Gay marriage is a civil union...

Then let's just call it what it is: "Civil Union." That would be the best solution to the controversy. Leave laws governing normal marriage (i.e., union of man & woman) in place for those who are currently married and for people who want to enter into a normal marriage, and create Civil Unions for alternative unions and lifestyles that don't fit the traditional definition of marriage.

I think that would be a very reasonable compromise.

Murkanen: Thanks for proving my point about not telling the difference between personal belief and his stances against governmental bans on the issue.

When they talk about not supporting gay marriage, but supporting civil unions instead, sure sounds like they're expressing views on government policy rather than just stating personal beliefs.

If I don't understand the distinction you're trying to make, it's because you haven't adequately explained yourself.

If civil unions are equal in every way to marriage, then there's no reason to not call it marriage, other than 'tradition'.

LordJiro: SkinnyHead: Aracnix: ...Gay marriage is a civil union...

Then let's just call it what it is: "Civil Union." That would be the best solution to the controversy. Leave laws governing normal marriage (i.e., union of man & woman) in place for those who are currently married and for people who want to enter into a normal marriage, and create Civil Unions for alternative unions and lifestyles that don't fit the traditional definition of marriage.

I think that would be a very reasonable compromise.

Murkanen: Thanks for proving my point about not telling the difference between personal belief and his stances against governmental bans on the issue.

When they talk about not supporting gay marriage, but supporting civil unions instead, sure sounds like they're expressing views on government policy rather than just stating personal beliefs.

If I don't understand the distinction you're trying to make, it's because you haven't adequately explained yourself.

If civil unions are equal in every way to marriage, then there's no reason to not call it marriage, other than 'tradition'.

Civil unions would still be completely equal to traditional marriages, just separate from them.

Step 1. Eliminate the word 'marriage' from any and all LEGAL documents.
Step 2. When two consenting, competent adults wish to be joined legally for the purposes of taxes, insurance, property, children, and other GOVERNMENTAL functions, recognize it as a civil union.
Step 3. If those two people desire to follow their personal religious ideals and have a marriage performed in their chosen place of worship, it is their choice to do so, and said place of worship's right to perform the RELIGIOUS ceremony or to refuse.
Step 4. Realize that that craaaaaaazzy separation of church and state idea some dead white guys had was one of the few thoughts that still makes sense today.

Was that so hard? Civil rights are universal, homophobic religious/conservative nutjobs can keep hating and shouting their 'but....but.....but.... the bibles!' until they die and are promptly forgotten and ignored by the rising generation.