How the fark can someone from Russia be so on spot about what is going on here in the USA?

Damn. Wake up folks

You know you might be doing it wrong if you put any faith at all into propaganda, no matter where it comes from.

Ludacris speed:

Don't know who you are subby, but thanks for the op-ed from Russia.

Every now and then even Pravda states the obvious...

Hey, if you don't like it go to Russia !

so Pravada is right?

If this shiat keeps up, we won't need to go to Russia Mordant. We will have what they had for 70 years right here in The States.

They are just saying, (Putin even said it), don't do what they did and wind up where they were for decades.

very interesting....but stupid.

nrdgrl [TotalFark] Quote 2009-05-29 07:54:16 PM

very interesting....but stupid.

What do you mean?

BTW, you have cool kittys. We do too

Hmmm.... welp, I'm in the process of starting my own small business, and have yet to have even the slightest bit of government restriction on my ability to do so. Yep, based on my skills, ability, and contacts, just going right out, getting clients, and starting my own business. My summer project. Hopefully successful, but then if I were a simpering idiot with no usable skills, I would be just like two of the posters previous that have so far commented (again) in this thread. I won't obviously name them, but we all know who they are.

WTFDYW: nrdgrl [TotalFark] Quote 2009-05-29 07:54:16 PM

very interesting....but stupid.

What do you mean?

BTW, you have cool kittys. We do too


The author points out some of the things that many of us snarkier Americans say about ourselves (knowing the names of American Idols but not of historical figures; we're fat 'cause we eat the Mickey Ds; salary caps will destroy the fabric of the universe; the rich are in power making the rich more rich; etc.), but for the most part, the guy is just spewing out Fox News talking points.

I mean, come on. Are we Marxists or are we Zimbabwe and/or the Wiemar Republic? Are we all about the crazy religion or are we Marxists? Are we Marxists or an oligarchy ruled by an elite, wealthy upper class? Fascism != Marxism. Marxism != Fascism. He keeps using that word, but I do not think it means what he thinks it means. (Unless he means Marxism in the most literal of terms: using the language of Marx to describe economics in terms of a class system--but somehow I doubt that's the intent, since that would make ALL of us "Marxists".)

It reminds me of David Icke, who uses some of the more "acceptable" tinfoil hat conspiracy theories and then suddenly is all "AND LIZARD PEOPLE RULE YOU!" You draw people in with things that sound (or even are) reasonable, get them to nod their heads "yes, I think that, too! Americans DO eat hamburgers!" and then "AND AMERICA WILL BE ZIMBABWE!!!! YOU ARE MARXISTS!!! WHARRGGARRBBBBBLLLL!!!!" (Except even Icke uses 'evidence' as opposed to a bunch of vague examples to support his batshiat crazy.)

He is using "Marxist" to describe America in the way one might call a big (but insecure) man "chicken" to get him to do something stupid.

So, thus my earlier post.

/And my kitties say thanks.
//well, they don't say anything really--more like they make a "purrrrrrrrrrrr" noise, but you know, same deal. :D

Umm, are Republicans so desperate they are taking PRAVDA seriously?

GAT_00: Umm, are Republicans so desperate they are taking PRAVDA seriously?

Yes.

Next question.

King Something: GAT_00: Umm, are Republicans so desperate they are taking PRAVDA seriously?

Yes.

Next question.

What do you think about socialized medicine?

You know you might be doing it wrong when you have to look to Russian propaganda to confirm your views.

NobleHam: You know you might be doing it wrong when you have to look to Russian propaganda to confirm your views.

heh republicans are now using a communist newspaper to conform to their ideas, damn the GOP is in worst shape than I thought.

the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed,

uh huh. Let me know how that capitalist oligarchy made up of government insiders from the soviet era turns out. Nice system.

Anybody want to play "Count the Trolls" with me in this thread?

They said it in between running stories of aliens meeting with world leaders and holes to hell being discovered in Siberia.

I'll hold off on my panic.

Are we Canada yet? They're being mowed down in the streets up there,you know.

FTFA:
First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics.

Who was dumbed down?

Well they would be good at spotting a Marxist when they see one... right?

WTFDYW: If this shiat keeps up, we won't need to go to Russia Mordant. We will have what they had for 70 years right here in The States.

They are just saying, (Putin even said it), don't do what they did and wind up where they were for decades.

Listen to Putin! He has our best interests at heart. It's true, I've looked into his eyes and seen his soul.

/thank you, thank you, I'll be here until the the secret police tire of my humor
//try the sushi

/Go Isles
//Go to plaid!

I was thinking on how much Obama had to back track from all the crap he inherited. I was thinking 'he's just trying to get us back to the days of Clinton'.

I don't recall thinking those days were all that bad. And shouldn't the Pravda be focusing on Putin's pootie push por power?

netcentric: Well they would be good at spotting a Marxist when they see one... right?

Stalin was glad they couldn't.

Falcc: WTFDYW: If this shiat keeps up, we won't need to go to Russia Mordant. We will have what they had for 70 years right here in The States.

They are just saying, (Putin even said it), don't do what they did and wind up where they were for decades.

Listen to Putin! He has our best interests at heart. It's true, I've looked into his eyes and seen his soul.

/thank you, thank you, I'll be here until the the secret police tire of my humor
//try the sushi

It's a strange world when you would have republicans openly mocking a Judicial nominee's menstruation cycle and agreeing with communists in spite of the President.

Keep up at boys you will just give Democrats a larger majority in '10.

In America you can always find a tea party. In Russia the tea party always finds you!

I like American conservative women. They do things sexually Russian Marxist girls never dream of doing - like not have abortion!

Many people are surprised to hear that we have capitalists in Russia, but they are there. They are dead, but they are there.

Russia's propaganda paper is having fun and laughing at the US... but I think it's going to get louder over time, and come from more places than just Russia's funny paper.

... other countries are going to take their poke, and make fun too.

/wait till we get called the totalitarian regime

What's amazing over half the country can't even see it coming !
Needs Obvious Tag !

Still waiting to hear those rational and realistic alternatives suggested by the right.

HotLonelyTeenageGirl: Hmmm.... welp, I'm in the process of starting my own small business, and have yet to have even the slightest bit of government restriction on my ability to do so. Yep, based on my skills, ability, and contacts, just going right out, getting clients, and starting my own business. My summer project. Hopefully successful, but then if I were a simpering idiot with no usable skills, I would be just like two of the posters previous that have so far commented (again) in this thread. I won't obviously name them, but we all know who they are.

I did the same. I got out of school for the summer, had trouble finding a job, so I just started taking whatever freelance work I could get (graphic designer). At no point did any branch of government attempt to restrict my ability to start my own business or make all the money I needed from it- I've made enough in the last month that my bills are covered the rest of the summer, when I graduate and get the hell out of Florida.

In fact, it's really gotten me thinking about just going into business for myself full-time when I'm done with school. Hopefully the big scary Marxist revolution doesn't happen first!

That article was full of big red dog win, especially the snarky part about the US social elite view's of gay people. Suck it libs. There is no cool rage like drunken Russian cool rage. Be careful though, all you Brighton Beach wanderers. Those guys sitting in the cafes with the toothpicks and slicked back hair during normal workday hours are not unemployed immigrants.

WTFDYW: If this shiat keeps up, we won't need to go to Russia Mordant. We will have what they had for 70 years right here in The States.

They are just saying, (Putin even said it), don't do what they did and wind up where they were for decades.

Wait, so we should now listen to Putin?

rppp01a: I was thinking on how much Obama had to back track from all the crap he inherited. I was thinking 'he's just trying to get us back to the days of Clinton'.

I don't recall thinking those days were all that bad. And shouldn't the Pravda be focusing on Putin's pootie push por power?

Actually, he's reversing a few things the Clintons have done, such as a budget balancing discipline. He minimalized the Clintons by hiring them.

that1guy77: He minimalized the Clintons by hiring them.

He has Hillary surrounded by 'his' people. She's roped in, and minimized for now. Bill is what? An envoy to Haiti?? WTF is that

Clinton 'policies' are loooooong gone.

all_arm: I did the same. I got out of school for the summer, had trouble finding a job, so I just started taking whatever freelance work I could get (graphic designer). At no point did any branch of government attempt to restrict my ability to start my own business or make all the money I needed from it- I've made enough in the last month that my bills are covered the rest of the summer, when I graduate and get the hell out of Florida.

In fact, it's really gotten me thinking about just going into business for myself full-time when I'm done with school. Hopefully the big scary Marxist revolution doesn't happen first!

Ah, youth. Democrat, liberal.

Wait until year 5 of your business when you're employing 14 people and starting to make real money. Then talk about how the government is/isn't impinging on your ability to do business. Or especially when you hit the magic 50 employee number.

Restrictions start at 15, and really hit at 50. And, of course, the tax bill that you're going to start facing.

You may not know what I'm talking about, but hopefully you will. Your business will grow and prosper, and then you'll start to hate the government intrustion and taxes, because you'll see how those taxes are restricting your ability to hire new workers and expand your business.

/snark all you want -- I hope you are successful enough to discover the truth

that1guy77: rppp01a: I was thinking on how much Obama had to back track from all the crap he inherited. I was thinking 'he's just trying to get us back to the days of Clinton'.

I don't recall thinking those days were all that bad. And shouldn't the Pravda be focusing on Putin's pootie push por power?

Actually, he's reversing a few things the Clintons have done, such as a budget balancing discipline. He minimalized the Clintons by hiring them.

It has been Obama's stated intention since the primary campaign to eventually move towards PAYGO legislation and balanced budgets. Stimulus spending by its definition incurs temporary and sometimes very large deficits. Therefore it is less than fair to admonish Obama for his fiscal responsibility or lack thereof until we at least begin to climb the far wall of the economic chasm into which we have been plunged by over half a decade of unchallenged Republican doctrine after the economy's unbridled success under Clinton.

"until we at least begin to climb the far wall of the economic chasm..."


Yea, a lot of people are wondering when that is going to happen...

I get it. Someone brought this up in the G. Gordon Liddy thread just a few stories down. It was immediately laughed at and and discredited.

So what happens? It gets it's own thread. Awesome.

Damba: all_arm: I did the same. I got out of school for the summer, had trouble finding a job, so I just started taking whatever freelance work I could get (graphic designer). At no point did any branch of government attempt to restrict my ability to start my own business or make all the money I needed from it- I've made enough in the last month that my bills are covered the rest of the summer, when I graduate and get the hell out of Florida.

In fact, it's really gotten me thinking about just going into business for myself full-time when I'm done with school. Hopefully the big scary Marxist revolution doesn't happen first!

Ah, youth. Democrat, liberal.

Wait until year 5 of your business when you're employing 14 people and starting to make real money. Then talk about how the government is/isn't impinging on your ability to do business. Or especially when you hit the magic 50 employee number.

Restrictions start at 15, and really hit at 50. And, of course, the tax bill that you're going to start facing.

You may not know what I'm talking about, but hopefully you will. Your business will grow and prosper, and then you'll start to hate the government intrustion and taxes, because you'll see how those taxes are restricting your ability to hire new workers and expand your business.

/snark all you want -- I hope you are successful enough to discover the truth

I honestly don't intend to ever employ that many people. I can make all the money I want or need simply working alone. In the worst case, should I need help with one or more very important jobs, I can simply hire other freelancers and dismiss them when I'm done with them, and no more than two or three, at that.

You know the phrase "it's a poor worker who blames his tools?" That's you, right now. So long as private enterprise is allowed at all, and so far there has not been a word uttered to the contrary within the government, all that is needed to overcome the obstacles you describe is strong leadership.

It says quite a bit that you would baselessly accuse someone who is attempting in good faith to achieve that 'bootstrappy' dream you conservatives are always blathering on about, of being somehow underinformed about his own business simply because he disagrees with you politically.

all_arm: You know the phrase "it's a poor worker who blames his tools?" That's you, right now. So long as private enterprise is allowed at all, and so far there has not been a word uttered to the contrary within the government, all that is needed to overcome the obstacles you describe is strong leadership.

It says quite a bit that you would baselessly accuse someone who is attempting in good faith to achieve that 'bootstrappy' dream you conservatives are always blathering on about, of being somehow underinformed about his own business simply because he disagrees with you politically.

The only true Bootstrappers are the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies. They are the backbone of America, the generators of ideas and wealth, from whom all that is great flows.

all_arm: that1guy77: rppp01a: I was thinking on how much Obama had to back track from all the crap he inherited. I was thinking 'he's just trying to get us back to the days of Clinton'.

I don't recall thinking those days were all that bad. And shouldn't the Pravda be focusing on Putin's pootie push por power?

Actually, he's reversing a few things the Clintons have done, such as a budget balancing discipline. He minimalized the Clintons by hiring them.

It has been Obama's stated intention since the primary campaign to eventually move towards PAYGO legislation and balanced budgets. Stimulus spending by its definition incurs temporary and sometimes very large deficits. Therefore it is less than fair to admonish Obama for his fiscal responsibility or lack thereof until we at least begin to climb the far wall of the economic chasm into which we have been plunged by over half a decade of unchallenged Republican doctrine after the economy's unbridled success under Clinton.

Any politician or pundit willingly putting themselves in the arena is fair game. It is what it is. He's throwing away Clinton fiscal responsibility. Besides, Innovation can make people look good as Clinton mostly rode the dot.com boom and Al Gore claimed to invent the internet. There you have it.

that1guy77: Al Gore claimed to invent the internet

Liar.

that1guy77: Any politician or pundit willingly putting themselves in the arena is fair game. It is what it is. He's throwing away Clinton fiscal responsibility. Besides, Innovation can make people look good as Clinton mostly rode the dot.com boom and Al Gore claimed to invent the internet. There you have it.

People see what they want to see

that1guy77: all_arm: that1guy77: rppp01a: I was thinking on how much Obama had to back track from all the crap he inherited. I was thinking 'he's just trying to get us back to the days of Clinton'.

I don't recall thinking those days were all that bad. And shouldn't the Pravda be focusing on Putin's pootie push por power?

Actually, he's reversing a few things the Clintons have done, such as a budget balancing discipline. He minimalized the Clintons by hiring them.

It has been Obama's stated intention since the primary campaign to eventually move towards PAYGO legislation and balanced budgets. Stimulus spending by its definition incurs temporary and sometimes very large deficits. Therefore it is less than fair to admonish Obama for his fiscal responsibility or lack thereof until we at least begin to climb the far wall of the economic chasm into which we have been plunged by over half a decade of unchallenged Republican doctrine after the economy's unbridled success under Clinton.

Any politician or pundit willingly putting themselves in the arena is fair game. It is what it is. He's throwing away Clinton fiscal responsibility. Besides, Innovation can make people look good as Clinton mostly rode the dot.com boom and Al Gore claimed to invent the internet. There you have it.

I absolutely agree that Clinton was mostly a steward of a booming economy rather than its instigator, but the fact is that you can't use the same policies when you're face down in an economic gutter (2009) as you could after half a decade of unprecedented economic growth (1999). If 2012 comes and Obama still hasn't made any moves towards balancing the budget, I'll be biatching right along with you. In the meantime, you just go on parroting your decade-old talking points, and the rest of us will keep pretending you're not an embarrassment to anyone with half a clue.

all_arm: that1guy77: all_arm: that1guy77: rppp01a: I was thinking on how much Obama had to back track from all the crap he inherited. I was thinking 'he's just trying to get us back to the days of Clinton'.

I don't recall thinking those days were all that bad. And shouldn't the Pravda be focusing on Putin's pootie push por power?

Actually, he's reversing a few things the Clintons have done, such as a budget balancing discipline. He minimalized the Clintons by hiring them.

It has been Obama's stated intention since the primary campaign to eventually move towards PAYGO legislation and balanced budgets. Stimulus spending by its definition incurs temporary and sometimes very large deficits. Therefore it is less than fair to admonish Obama for his fiscal responsibility or lack thereof until we at least begin to climb the far wall of the economic chasm into which we have been plunged by over half a decade of unchallenged Republican doctrine after the economy's unbridled success under Clinton.

Any politician or pundit willingly putting themselves in the arena is fair game. It is what it is. He's throwing away Clinton fiscal responsibility. Besides, Innovation can make people look good as Clinton mostly rode the dot.com boom and Al Gore claimed to invent the internet. There you have it.

I absolutely agree that Clinton was mostly a steward of a booming economy rather than its instigator, but the fact is that you can't use the same policies when you're face down in an economic gutter (2009) as you could after half a decade of unprecedented economic growth (1999). If 2012 comes and Obama still hasn't made any moves towards balancing the budget, I'll be biatching right along with you. In the meantime, you just go on parroting your decade-old talking points, and the rest of us will keep pretending you're not an embarrassment to anyone with half a clue.

You really started to impress me with your reasonable discussion until you threw in the insults like a typical farkin' idiot Fark troll. No matter the age of talking points, they're still relevant if the issue doesn't go away. You lost at hello. Slap yourself.

i miss the soviet union, it was the only thing making sure the USA held onto its principles of personal freedom from government.

goodbye USA, it was good knowing you when you were the cool guy on the block, hello canada.