Good news for the people of Tn.
Bad news for Obama.

necropoultryac: Good news for the people of Tn.
Bad news for Obama.

bad news for people who don't like bar fights turning into drunken shootouts.
don't think obama gives a shiat unless he was planning on going on a pub crawl in nashville.

Note to self:
Avoid Tennessee bars and taverns.
Addendum: Fark it. Avoid Tennessee altogether.

burndtdan: bad news for people who don't like bar fights turning into drunken shootouts.

You can't drink while carrying a gun still.

It's intended more for places like Applebee's and Pizza Hut than actual drinking establishments.

jbuist: burndtdan: bad news for people who don't like bar fights turning into drunken shootouts.

You can't drink while carrying a gun still.

You can bring a gun into a bar, but you can't drink in said bar while you're packing. That makes a helluva lotta sense.

It's intended more for places like Applebee's and Pizza Hut than actual drinking establishments.

FTFA: Gov. Phil Bredesen vetoed a bill Thursday that would have allowed handgun carry permit holders to take their weapons in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.......
That's not what I took from that sentence.

Is it called "The Waffle House Body Count Augmentation Act"?

beerrun: FTFA: Gov. Phil Bredesen vetoed a bill Thursday that would have allowed handgun carry permit holders to take their weapons in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.......
That's not what I took from that sentence.

Yeah, the article doesn't give the back story.

There were two versions of this bill: The one that passed and another that said you could only carry if the establishment earned more than 50% of their revenue from food sales and not alcohol sales. The 50/50 bill failed because, well, that's just goddamn retarded. How the heck is somebody going to know what their numbers are unless they're the restaurants accountant?

So, they said fark it. Carry everywhere, but you still can't drink while doing it.

Well, I couldn't turn up the GIF with Darwin, so...

Hotlinked for her pleasure.

I foresee a Tennessee tag in the near future.

jbuist: The 50/50 bill failed because, well, that's just goddamn retarded. How the heck is somebody going to know what their numbers are unless they're the restaurants accountant?

It's obvious, if you're in Texas. (^) see #10 in the first section.

yee haw ya'll. this sounds like a great idea. maybe we could sell body armor to the bartenders and bouncers? I know the cops are loving this.

I wonder if I could get them to pass a bill legalizing doing LSD and throwing grenades?

radiumsoup: It's obvious, if you're in Texas. (^) see #10 in the first section.

Yeah, that's one way to do it but then you create a burden on the business to tabulate that number. No idea who gets penalized if there's no sign when there should be.

Here in Michigan they have a sign for that, and we have a 50/50 rule too, but it's totally optional to the owner to put it up. I've only seen it put up at one place, and the owner did that as a joke because he knows so many of his customers are gun nuts.

Hobodeluxe: I know the cops are loving this.

Depends on the cop. I'm required by law in my state to tell a cop if I'm carrying a gun and he pulls me over. Know what the last one did? He just said, "Oh, ok." and went about his business.

jbuist: Yeah, that's one way to do it but then you create a burden on the business to tabulate that number. No idea who gets penalized if there's no sign when there should be.

It's a pretty well established thing... it's part of the licensing requirement to be in operation as an on-premesis provider in Texas. And, I respectfully submit, as with any business, if you don't know where your money is coming from, you probably shouldn't be managing the business. (Plus, it's not as hard as you seem to think it is.)

Hobodeluxe: yee haw ya'll. this sounds like a great idea. maybe we could sell body armor to the bartenders and bouncers? I know the cops are loving this.

Oddly enough, this is in response to a recent Memphis barfight at Windjammer on E. Brookhaven Circle, when a drunk, off-duty cop shot two folks. He killed the bar's DJ and another customer before it was over. This bill is allowed to give folks (especially employees, hence the "no drinking" clause) a means to defend themselves against this kind of thing, or at least uncertainty in an assailant's mind as to who's armed or not.

Personally, I applaud the legislature for stepping up when the Memphis City Council and MPD really couldn't give a shiat. Let's face it - in a city as permeated with drug/gang violence as Memphis, the truly dangerous criminals don't give a damn about gun carry laws, and probably never have.

Don't take your guns to town son
Leave your guns at home Bill
Don't take your guns to town

jbuist:
There were two versions of this bill: The one that passed and another that said you could only carry if the establishment earned more than 50% of their revenue from food sales and not alcohol sales. The 50/50 bill failed because, well, that's just goddamn retarded. How the heck is somebody going to know what their numbers are unless they're the restaurants accountant?

Restaurants that serve alcohol have a different license than taverns. The 50/50 criteria determines which license an establishment has. So what they were trying to say is that you can carry your gun at Applebees, but not at the local biker bar.

I understand the confusion and the reason they dropped that provision.

Having said that, anyone who carries their gun while drinking at a bar is just asking for trouble. Even cops know to leave their guns at home or at least in the car when they go drinking.

CruiserTwelve: Having said that, anyone who carries their gun while drinking at a bar is just asking for trouble. Even cops know to leave their guns at home or at least in the car when they go drinking.

See my post above.

Not many times I have to lean left on a gun issue but I don't like this idea. I can see where the legislature is coming from but guns and Alcohol don't mix. I know you aren't suppose to drink and carry but I doubt this will stop some people from doing it. I'm not one of these people that goes "omg, drunk people shootings are going to go up 600000 percent!!!!!" but I do see a side effect to this law.

I'm probably about as right wing as they come, and I don't think this is out-and-out-good without some additional restrictions.

I can see where a BAC test for sobriety could be applied here for carriers... allow carrying anywhere alcohol is served if not drinking, (and where not prohibited by management, if a private establishment), and anything above .02 outside of your own home is a violation, plus, say, maybe a 12-month CCW revoking if applicable.

I mean, when I'm carrying (which hasn't been in a while, honestly, as the threat that caused me to get a concealed carry permit is now living 1000 miles away) I would have no problem forgoing alcohol, and when I'm drinking, I have no problem forgoing my gun... because really, having the power to instantly take the lives of at least half a dozen people in the room requires not only a high level of personal and legal responsibility, but keen focus and attention to your surroundings, neither of which is possible with any degree of effectiveness when swilling some Jack.

Having frequented quite a few Tennessee bars in my time...this is a monumentally stupid idea.

gun nuts killing each other while drunk, what could be more spectacular.

This should end well.

This is a great plan. We desperately need to thin out the lower classes that frequently engage in bar fighting. There is already far too many of them on the dole.

necropoultryac: Good news for the people of Tn.
Bad news for Obama.

Okay, I'll bite. How exactly is this bad news for Obama?

/facepalm
//TN resident

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

The alcohol will kill more people than the shootings.

I predict many Fark headlines from Tennessee in the future ...

jbuist: burndtdan: bad news for people who don't like bar fights turning into drunken shootouts.

You can't drink while carrying a gun still.

It's intended more for places like Applebee's and Pizza Hut than actual drinking establishments.

I dunno, I've manged to get pretty hammered in an Applebees before. Musta been the burger.

We shouldn't let people drive cars to the bar because they're just going to get drunk and go on a Running People Over Spree!!!

Whiskey and guns, I love it.

Criminals with guns are already disregarding the law and carring wherever they please. This levels the playing field.

Under the bill, anyone caught carrying AND drinking in any establishment faces a felony charge.

radiumsoup: I'm probably about as right wing as they come, and I don't think this is out-and-out-good without some additional restrictions.

I can see where a BAC test for sobriety could be applied here for carriers... allow carrying anywhere alcohol is served if not drinking, (and where not prohibited by management, if a private establishment), and anything above .02 outside of your own home is a violation, plus, say, maybe a 12-month CCW revoking if applicable

In Utah the standard for carrying is the same for DUI while driving, which is reasonable. Here in PA there aren't any restrictions, just the usual "don't be a dick" rule that applies the rest of the time.

Having been to Memphis before, I for one am all for this. Anything to thin the herd of trash that occupies this part of the country. Good luck to the few decent people I know there. If I were you I'd just gtfo now.

/troll out

You know, I am all for gun owner rights. Hell I have a couple myself but there is one place in this world where the gun does not belong and that is in a bar. Hell even in the old West where literally everyone had a gun, you couldn't wear one.

FAIL tag on vacation?

NeauxFear: Oddly enough, this is in response to a recent Memphis barfight at Windjammer on E. Brookhaven Circle, when a drunk, off-duty cop shot two folks.

No wonder the cops are against the law then. ;-)

Rapmaster2000: This is a great plan. We desperately need to thin out the lower classes that frequently engage in bar fighting. There is already far too many of them on the dole.

I don't think most people are worried about the bar fighters. Having seen a few bar fights I am now worried about the collateral damage

CouchMonkey: You know, I am all for gun owner rights. Hell I have a couple myself but there is one place in this world where the gun does not belong and that is in a bar. Hell even in the old West where literally everyone had a gun, you couldn't wear one.

I agree.

FTFA: To override the veto, the House will need 50 votes of its 99 members before sending it to the Senate. There, 17 of 33 members would have to approve the override. The House passed the most recent version of the bill 66-23. The Senate passed the bill 24-7.

So in Tennessee a simple marjority vote can override a veto? What's the point of even having vetoes then?

So ... you can't smoke in bars anymore, but you can now carry a weapon?

jbuist: beerrun: FTFA: Gov. Phil Bredesen vetoed a bill Thursday that would have allowed handgun carry permit holders to take their weapons in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.......
That's not what I took from that sentence.

Yeah, the article doesn't give the back story.

There were two versions of this bill: The one that passed and another that said you could only carry if the establishment earned more than 50% of their revenue from food sales and not alcohol sales. The 50/50 bill failed because, well, that's just goddamn retarded. How the heck is somebody going to know what their numbers are unless they're the restaurants accountant?

So, they said fark it. Carry everywhere, but you still can't drink while doing it.

Michigan has the 50/50 thing. Its a pain in the butt to try to figure it out.

Although slap on the open carry holster, and volia its legal. So we can't carry concealed but we can carry openly. Makes no sense.

Hot - like a cheap .38 special

Tennessee is really not that bad.

I say that as a European who lives in TN (for now). This entire issue revolves around a cop gunning down people at a club. Far as I can see, if the cops are going to be carrying in such a circumstance, the people should be able to as well.

beekeepa: Whiskey and guns, I love it.




It's a tradition in them thar hills!