Facts were never Rove's strong point

WHY DOES ANYONE LISTEN TO ROVE?!?!

He is literally a propogandist. He is Kamenev.

Well -- in conference, excuse me -- what she would do is she would mark them up like she was your English school teacher and -- with your typos and misspellings and other words that she wanted to have changed, and send them back to her colleagues -- not exactly the best way to ingratiate yourself with your colleagues. Rather than saying, "Oh, well, I thought you had an interesting legal argument here, and I'd like to talk to you more about this here." She was acting like sort of the schoolmarm.

There snow room for grammar Nazi's on the Supreme Court-- period.

DamnYankees: WHY DOES ANYONE LISTEN TO ROVE?!?!

He is literally a propogandist. He is Kamenev.

Yeah, but he used to be better than making painfully obvious errors like this. I think even Rove is getting desperate, and that is a huge sign to how bad the GOP has gotten.

notmtwain: There snow room for grammar Nazi's on the Supreme Court-- period.

On the other hand, if writing is a big part of you career you should be able to do it correctly.

AzDownboy: Facts were never Rove's strong point

well... factually he is correct. Since Alito did not work with Sotomayor he could not have ever liked working with her.

/It is fun watching the GOP slowly sink into the mire of their own bullshiat.

EvilEgg: On the other hand, if writing is a big part of you career you should be able to do it correctly.


Like they don't have minions to type shiat for them...

GAT_00: Yeah, but he used to be better than making painfully obvious errors like this. I think even Rove is getting desperate, and that is a huge sign to how bad the GOP has gotten.

I agree. The frenzy of the GOP's spin machine really belies some real turmoil going on in the back rooms. I don't think that Cheney's round the clock PR campaign has been motivated just by a desire to polish his legacy. The fact that he's out there himself says a lot. The same goes for Rove now telling easily falsifiable lies about Sotomayor. A quick glance makes it look like the same kind of crap we've been used to for the last 8 years, but the lack of finesse and sloppiness of it all recently smacks a lot more strongly of panic.

Federal appeals courts loan judges to each other all the time. It's not at all unlikely that a judge from the 2nd Circuit would work with one from the 3rd.

Fine. When Sotomayor is confirmed, Alito can resign, and everyone will be happy.

jbc: Fine. When Sotomayor is confirmed, Alito can resign, and everyone will be happy.


Ooooh - I like this idea...

ZAZ: Federal appeals courts loan judges to each other all the time. It's not at all unlikely that a judge from the 2nd Circuit would work with one from the 3rd.

Funny... I can find no evidence of that ever happening. Not just of Sotomayor being loaned to the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals... but of any judge being loaned out to any appeals court they were not appointed to.

Code_Archeologist: AzDownboy: Facts were never Rove's strong point

well... factually he is correct. Since Alito did not work with Sotomayor he could not have ever liked working with her.

/It is fun watching the GOP slowly sink into the mire of their own bullshiat.

Good thing Pelosi is helping the dems look so awesome....

ZAZ: Federal appeals courts loan judges to each other all the time. It's not at all unlikely that a judge from the 2nd Circuit would work with one from the 3rd.

Zaz, you're not Zoz, are you?

Just STFU Republicans. You are simply incapable of opening your mouth without sticking your foot - your whole farking leg - into it.

First, you whined about Obama's seeking someone with empathy, then some blogger pulled out a clip of GHWB introducing his nominee to SCOTUS - Clarence Thomas - and praising him for his empathy.

Then you decided to attack Sotomayor because she made a statement about judges "making law," and oh how you whined. Next thing you know, someone found a tape of Scalia giving a speech in which he declared - yes - that judges "make law."

"Let's attack her for saying that her ethnicity informs her opinions," you said, and leaped headlong into it. I bet you can guess what's coming! Yup, turns out Alito said the same damn thing at his confirmation hearing.

Now Rove makes up a non-existent relationship between Alito and Sotomayor.

Fkn idiots - one of you dumbasses should really learn how to use the Google.

Tell you what...since all these statements make a justice a bad choice, why not offer Obama a deal: "pull the Sotomayor nomination, and we will get Thomas, Scalia and Alito to retire." Sounds fair, right? Whaddya say??

Code_Archeologist: ZAZ: Federal appeals courts loan judges to each other all the time. It's not at all unlikely that a judge from the 2nd Circuit would work with one from the 3rd.

Funny... I can find no evidence of that ever happening. Not just of Sotomayor being loaned to the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals... but of any judge being loaned out to any appeals court they were not appointed to.

C'mon, what court wants to admit one of their judges is in the shop for repairs?

AzDownboy: Facts were never Rove's strong point

Yeah, but that doesn't matter. Rove's way is to repeat something over & over again, regardless of fact, until people believe it. It worked for 8 years--why think it will stop working now? And the FauxNews devotees will lap it up like they've been doing all along.

Irrelevant turd blossom is irrelevant. And a turd blossom.

brigid_fitch: AzDownboy: Facts were never Rove's strong point

Yeah, but that doesn't matter. Rove's way is to repeat something over & over again, regardless of fact, until people believe it. It worked for 8 years--why think it will stop working now? And the FauxNews devotees will lap it up like they've been doing all along.

And state them with such strident confidence, as if they were self-evident and there was something wrong with you for not seeing it. No logic, no argument, just bully-like psychology.

Something is missing from this thread...

Some kind of aqueous solution involving a canine...

Perhaps a description of the sound it would make...

haemaker: Something is missing from this thread...

Some kind of aqueous solution involving a canine...

Perhaps a description of the sound it would make...

Rove, while politically brilliant, is a hack

Second, Third, Iraq, Afghanistan, what's the difference?

ZAZ: Federal appeals courts loan judges to each other all the time. It's not at all unlikely that a judge from the 2nd Circuit would work with one from the 3rd.

Code_Archeologist: Funny... I can find no evidence of that ever happening. Not just of Sotomayor being loaned to the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals... but of any judge being loaned out to any appeals court they were not appointed to.

No, it does happen. It's called "sitting by designation." The Chief Judge of each circuit can ask a judge from another circuit (or even a District Judge from within the circuit) to sit on a panel by designation. From what I've heard, it's done when the circuit has a large docket it needs to clear out, or if a judge has particular experience dealing with a complex legal issue that's before the court.

A two minute google search turned up two federal appeals cases where judges from other circuits sat by designation (here and here). And even Sotomayor sat by designation on the Second Circuit when she was still an SDNY District Judge (U.S. v. Henderson, second item.)

There are only 179 active appellate judges in the nation (not counting judges who have taken senior status and a reduced case load). In a community that small, people do hear things and rumors and reputations do get around. But then again, Rove is the source, and if the man claimed he loved his mother I'd want verification.

ZAZ: Federal appeals courts loan judges to each other all the time. It's not at all unlikely that a judge from the 2nd Circuit would work with one from the 3rd.

Human beings walk the earth all the time. It's not at all unlikely that a judge from the 2nd Circuit would bump into one from the 3rd and dislike each other immediately.

Howie Spankowitz: Human beings walk the earth all the time. It's not at all unlikely that a judge from the 2nd Circuit would bump into one from the 3rd and dislike each other immediately.

Rove: "We know from her record on the 2nd Court of Appeals that she's not a particularly effective colleague. I first got wind of this when Sam Alito, who was her colleague on the court while we were reviewing his record"

KaponoFor3: Rove, while politically brilliant, is a hack

I don't think anyone would deny he's brilliant. The spin he applied to help out the Bush administration was legendary, to the point that if we had harnessed that power, we could have powered New York City. Which I think makes it even more striking how awful an attack this is. Either he's lost his touch, or the GOP is so desperate for anything they are willingly making up easily unprovable data.

GAT_00: I don't think anyone would deny he's brilliant.

I will. Karl Rove is nowhere near brilliant. He's the Vince McMahon of political operatives. His "genius" is that he's not in the least afraid to dive into the gutter in order to win. The reason he was so successful with Bush was because the Democrats were constantly flummoxed by his audacity. Once things started falling apart for the Bush Administration, Rove's genius suddenly disappeared and he was revealed to be nothing more than a black-hearted little shiat.

Mentat: I will. Karl Rove is nowhere near brilliant. He's the Vince McMahon of political operatives. His "genius" is that he's not in the least afraid to dive into the gutter in order to win. The reason he was so successful with Bush was because the Democrats were constantly flummoxed by his audacity. Once things started falling apart for the Bush Administration, Rove's genius suddenly disappeared and he was revealed to be nothing more than a black-hearted little shiat.

Yes. Politics is a long-term game. Rove failed at that. Dean succeeded, while failing miserably on the short term.

Also, I think Rove did not realize what he'd create: a culture of fact-checking.

Obdicut: Also, I think Rove did not realize what he'd create: a culture of fact-checking.

True. The Republicans dominated the late 90's and early 2000's because they learned to master the airwaves, specifically cable and talk radio. For some reason, they still can't comprehend the Internet and its ability to distribute any piece of information instantly. Talking points are useless if you can just post a video on YouTube of Reagan agreeing with the Democrats.

Nabb1: Second, Third, Iraq, Afghanistan, what's the difference?

i lol'd

Judge Stone was very unorthodox.


/hotter than Markie Post

I trusted that Fox News promptly called Karl Rove for his explanation on this mix up and notified their audience on this discrepancy.

Keep this bookmarked for every time Rove says something: Sad Trombone (new window)

Sotomayor and Alito were colleagues, you don't have to be in the same circuit. And it wouldn't be unheard of for the circuit members to have interaction.
Media Matters has stepped in stretched and is spinning again.
You have to take what MM says with really large grains of salt. Please investigate their claims prior to believing anything they say.

This message in not intended to be a comment in any way, shape or form on Mr. Rove.

Renart: Keep this bookmarked for every time Rove says something: Sad Trombone (new window)

LOL

necropoultryac: Code_Archeologist: AzDownboy: Facts were never Rove's strong point

well... factually he is correct. Since Alito did not work with Sotomayor he could not have ever liked working with her.

/It is fun watching the GOP slowly sink into the mire of their own bullshiat.

Good thing Pelosi is helping the dems look so awesome....

Yeah, under her, the Democrats lost power and were down to 22% of Americans and lost the Presidency, house and senate majority....oh wait.

KaponoFor3: while politically brilliant

If he was politically brilliant, his "permanent Republican majority" would still be in power instead of just having had an eight-year run and then crashing and burning spectacularly.

"We write policy; we're not supposed to say it but we do write law, you know, which is not exactly how the American people view what judges ought to be about."

Well then the American people view things wrong. Except in Louisiana we have a common law system, meaning judicial precedent has the same bearing as law.

WGAS, have you ever met a latina who was not combative?

Tyee: Sotomayor and Alito were colleagues, you don't have to be in the same circuit.

I spent a few minutes looking for any case where they would have been considered colleagues but did not find anything. I also did not see anything where either of them went to the other's court. If you have info showing otherwise I would love to see it.

Masso: I trusted that Fox News promptly called Karl Rove for his explanation on this mix up and notified their audience on this discrepancy outright lie.

Better

ZAZ: Federal appeals courts loan judges to each other all the time. It's not at all unlikely that a judge from the 2nd Circuit would work with one from the 3rd.

Senior judges and district court judges sit by designation all the time. But an active appellate judge sitting on the panel of another circuit is pretty much unheard of.

ghare: Masso: I trusted that Fox News promptly called Karl Rove for his explanation on this mix up and notified their audience on this discrepancy outright lie.

Better

But, Fox News is 'fair and balanced.' Why would they lie? Its in the freaking title! How can they lie if they are 'fair and balanced?'

Lionel Mandrake: Just STFU Republicans.

QFT, posterity

Alito is an idiot anyways.

Code_Archeologist: ZAZ: Federal appeals courts loan judges to each other all the time. It's not at all unlikely that a judge from the 2nd Circuit would work with one from the 3rd.

Funny... I can find no evidence of that ever happening. Not just of Sotomayor being loaned to the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals... but of any judge being loaned out to any appeals court they were not appointed to.

It's called "sitting by designation". In the Federal Court system, it often occurs when a Dist. Court judge sits on an appellate panel - often, but not always, a different circuit than the one that the Dist. Court judge's cases would appeal to, but they can't sit on appeal of their own cases, obviously. Although less common, it can also occur where one circuit court judge sits in another circuit's panel.

Goodness, we wouldn't want to get Alito's dander up.

Lost in the armpit of 'merika: WGAS, have you ever met a latina who was not combative?

Skwrl: Code_Archeologist: ZAZ: Federal appeals courts loan judges to each other all the time. It's not at all unlikely that a judge from the 2nd Circuit would work with one from the 3rd.

Funny... I can find no evidence of that ever happening. Not just of Sotomayor being loaned to the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals... but of any judge being loaned out to any appeals court they were not appointed to.

It's called "sitting by designation". In the Federal Court system, it often occurs when a Dist. Court judge sits on an appellate panel - often, but not always, a different circuit than the one that the Dist. Court judge's cases would appeal to, but they can't sit on appeal of their own cases, obviously. Although less common, it can also occur where one circuit court judge sits in another circuit's panel.

A prior poster makes a good point - just from memory, all of the cross circuit transplants I can think of were Senior Judges....