That was an excellent apology (one must be politically correct these days), but I saw the episode and I agree with his initial statement. Who really wants to see two guys dancing together? I'm not saying it shouldn't be allowed, I'm just saying it's very uninteresting.

Faygs.

Well, they might. Have they tried it? Don't knock it.

Gay dancing should be between a man and a woman.

Look, dancing is defined as between man and a woman. Two guys may not dance together. Two girls may dance together though.

Epiphany: Look, dancing is defined as between man and a woman. Two guys may not dance together. Two girls may dance together though.

I'm surprised your god would allow that.

They weren't a same sex couple. Nice try, failmitter.

One was one of those gays the other was a normal straight man.

He just said maybe they'd like dancing with a woman....he didnt say anything about farking them...

There are straight male dancers? Huh

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So my GF showed me this when she was reading Perez and he was blowing a gasket about it. What irritated me is that perez, GLAD

So my GF showed me this when she was reading Perez and he was bl owing a gasket about it. What irritated me is that perez, GLAD, etc could have made a case about gender role stereotypes in dance, made it well reasoned, etc and it could have been a good argument. But instead they immediately played the homophobia card. Seriously these judges have worked with dancers and in the dance industry for a long time, do you really think they are homophobes? Pretty sure they are totally ok with same-sex couples and their comments were NOT homophobic. Gender role steroetypes in an artform? Sure I'll give you that but playing the homophobia card on shiat like this is like breaking out the sledgehammer when you have a loose nail sticking out from the drywall.

(reposted since I accidentally put angled bracket in there.

Whatever. They weren't very good together.

bravian: Epiphany: Look, dancing is defined as between man and a woman. Two guys may not dance together. Two girls may dance together though.

I'm surprised your god would allow that.

What type of an insecure homo would bring up things from another fark thread that I was trolling? Come on now, did you put me on your favorites list or something?

Epsilon: That was an excellent apology (one must be politically correct these days), but I saw the episode and I agree with his initial statement. Who really wants to see two guys dancing together? I'm not saying it shouldn't be allowed, I'm just saying it's very uninteresting.

For you it is, but in fairness, it's of great interest to gay people (whether they're the ones dancing or watching at home).

Didn't Lance Bass have a male partner on the show?

I would have bet big money that Nigel himself was gay.

Also, I'd be happy to watch a same-sex couple dance if they ROCKED! :)

WFern: For you it is, but in fairness, it's of great interest to some gay people (whether they're the ones dancing or watching at home).

ftfy
the gay community isnt quite as united as you might think

I watched the premier, and as soon as I heard Nigel's comments on the pair, I was waiting for the impending outrage. Glad to see I wasn't wrong, I suppose.

farbekrieg: WFern: For you it is, but in fairness, it's of great interest to some gay people (whether they're the ones dancing or watching at home).

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the gay community isnt quite as united as you might think

Uh... what? I think it's a safe bet that gay men prefer dancing with other men.

Nigel Lythgoe is an a-hole. And he probably likes it that way.

Epsilon: That was an excellent apology (one must be politically correct these days), but I saw the episode and I agree with his initial statement. Who really wants to see two guys dancing together? I'm not saying it shouldn't be allowed, I'm just saying it's very uninteresting.

And only things that are interesting to you personally should be televised?

Because, you know, certainly no gay people watch this show.

That's not all that happened. He also said in a "tweet" that he was "not a fan of Brokeback Ballroom" and that two guys dancing is "confusing" because "boys should be boys and girls should be girls". Then, after they were rejected, the Fox editors put in the song, "It's a man's world...but it ain't nothing, nothing, without a woman..."

Which is all fine, really, this pompous British douchebag has every right to be a homophobic piece of shiat, and so do the editors. But, the shocked (what me, homophobic?) and utterly disingenuous apology afterward is a joke. That's what I don't get about so many homophobes: their inability to "own it".
At least on Fark the bigots are upfront about it.

Hopefully this show will lose a lot of viewers.

Should I not have said that? Was that wrong?

Hunter7795: They weren't a same sex couple. Nice try, failmitter.

One was one of those gays the other was a normal straight man.

According to some folks on Fark, there is no such thing as a straight man because Kinsey or whatnot "proved" that 99% of straight males have had a gay encounter.

Epsilon: That was an excellent apology (one must be politically correct these days), but I saw the episode and I agree with his initial statement. Who really wants to see two guys dancing together? I'm not saying it shouldn't be allowed, I'm just saying it's very uninteresting.

I'm happy to see two guys dancing. Actually I've spent a fair amount of time at events with guys dancing with each other.

The only way that can trouble you is if you think two guys dancing is somehow unnatural or wrong. Basically, it reveals homophobia in yourself.

I have seen pretty awesome same-sex ballroom dancing as well as regular dancing. Dancing is dancing! Gender is totally unimportant.

eddiesocket: That's not all that happened. He also said in a "tweet" that he was "not a fan of Brokeback Ballroom" and that two guys dancing is "confusing" because "boys should be boys and girls should be girls". Then, after they were rejected, the Fox editors put in the song, "It's a man's world...but it ain't nothing, nothing, without a woman..."

Which is all fine, really, this pompous British douchebag has every right to be a homophobic piece of shiat, and so do the editors. But, the shocked (what me, homophobic?) and utterly disingenuous apology afterward is a joke. That's what I don't get about so many homophobes: their inability to "own it".
At least on Fark the bigots are upfront about it.

Hopefully this show will lose a lot of viewers.

BWAAAAAAA!!!! Someone doesn't have the same opinion I have about teh homogays!!! WAAAHHHHH!

Is some guy who judges a dance show's opinion of homosexuality really destroy your will to live? I'm betting not.

bobbette: I have seen pretty awesome same-sex ballroom dancing as well as regular dancing. Dancing is dancing! Gender is totally unimportant.

The comments of the judges focused on the fact that the two men kept switching who was lead and who was follow throughout the dance. If you are judging a dance based purely on artistic criteria then the "beauty of each genders role in dance" is sort of an ingrained element. Commenting on that does not necessarily make one a homophobe.

Personally I lean towards Nigel having expressed his opinion poorly but I don't buy him being homophobic. He's worked in an industry for decades where that would probably be counterproductive. This "incident" would have been a better opportunity for GLAD to talk about cultural gender role stereotypes then it was for them to talk about homophobia IMHO.

eddiesocket:

Hopefully this show will lose a lot of viewers.

It has hot guys dancing all sweaty with their shirts off.

Somehow I doubt the gays will stop watching.

/They sucked anyway... but it is about time this show stopped treating gay auditioners as if GAY = HIGHLARIOUS FREAK SHOW. (nudgenudge winkwink)

Hunter7795: They weren't a same sex couple. Nice try, failmitter.

One was one of those gays the other was a normal straight man.

Just like a straight dude doing gay pr0n... he is fooling himself

bravian: Epiphany: Look, dancing is defined as between man and a woman. Two guys may not dance together. Two girls may dance together though.

I'm surprised your god would allow that.

My god actively encourages it.

Hold on,

You mean that Nigel guy isn't gay?

/never really watched the show or seen him that much, but, for the 5 seconds I've probably watched him, I'd have guessed that

Not the best situation to deal with, especially with involvement with the dance industry, but he handled it well.

As a former dance instructor, I attended regional conferences for the studio, and it wasn't uncommon to see male partners dance with one another. The most interesting aspect of it was how they would seamlessly and frequently exchange who was the role of the female dancer mid-step. They would be in the middle of a spin, and coming out of the turn, the person who was leading before is now following. Pretty cool.

El Morro: Not the best situation to deal with, especially with involvement with the dance industry, but he handled it well.

As a former dance instructor, I attended regional conferences for the studio, and it wasn't uncommon to see male partners dance with one another. The most interesting aspect of it was how they would seamlessly and frequently exchange who was the role of the female dancer mid-step. They would be in the middle of a spin, and coming out of the turn, the person who was leading before is now following. Pretty cool.

He didn't handle it well at all. As has already been noted, he followed up his comments with more on Twitter about how he didn't like "Brokeback Ballroom" and stuff. What a dick.

The Billdozer: eddiesocket: That's not all that happened. He also said in a "tweet" that he was "not a fan of Brokeback Ballroom" and that two guys dancing is "confusing" because "boys should be boys and girls should be girls". Then, after they were rejected, the Fox editors put in the song, "It's a man's world...but it ain't nothing, nothing, without a woman..."

Which is all fine, really, this pompous British douchebag has every right to be a homophobic piece of shiat, and so do the editors. But, the shocked (what me, homophobic?) and utterly disingenuous apology afterward is a joke. That's what I don't get about so many homophobes: their inability to "own it".
At least on Fark the bigots are upfront about it.

Hopefully this show will lose a lot of viewers.

BWAAAAAAA!!!! Someone doesn't have the same opinion I have about teh homogays!!! WAAAHHHHH!

Is some guy who judges a dance show's opinion of homosexuality really destroy your will to live? I'm betting not.

Er...good bet. Since I didn't say any such thing. I just said he's a bigoted piece of shiat. And he is. As are you, I suspect.

I can understand gender restrictions in competitions like this.

Take figure skating for instance. A pair of 2 males at the peak of their physical abilities would be able to pull off moves that a male-female couple never could. There would just be so much more strength there. (Yeah yeah, a pro female athlete could kick my ass 6 ways to sunday, but at this level the team of two males would be stronger, men were doing quad spins at olypics eight years before women, you see it all the time in mens now but only one female can do them)

It would seem that for technical fairness purposes they may put down some rules about couples dancing.

// yeah yeah, my mom loves figure skating, so I humor her when I visit and I like hot/flexible women showing off.

hetheeme: I can understand gender restrictions in competitions like this.

Take figure skating for instance. A pair of 2 males at the peak of their physical abilities would be able to pull off moves that a male-female couple never could. There would just be so much more strength there. (Yeah yeah, a pro female athlete could kick my ass 6 ways to sunday, but at this level the team of two males would be stronger, men were doing quad spins at olypics eight years before women, you see it all the time in mens now but only one female can do them)

It would seem that for technical fairness purposes they may put down some rules about couples dancing.

// yeah yeah, my mom loves figure skating, so I humor her when I visit and I like hot/flexible women showing off.

But aren't women more flexible than men?

Yes, it's late and I failed to mention the other side, women are more flexible and atristic, but this simply makes the point stronger.

If you have 2 men v 2 women it would come down to if judges value technical skills or artistic skills. A mixed couple tests how well they ballance these two attributes rather than just depending on the judge's favoring one trait over another.

If you had seperate categories for MM and FF pairs as well as mixed then you have a different thing. I'd actually prefer that because athletes would be able to test their skills in more ways, and it would be more fair.

Most dances are designed around one partner with greater physical strength, especially in the upper body, and one with better flexibility and a lower center of mass. Obviously this doesn't matter for dancers of lower competence, but as you get into stuff that pushes you into better shape the one guy, one girl bit becomes more important.

Though, admittedly, not all dances are designed that way. Jigs and reels and such are often for two people with good upper-body strength and high center-of-gravity. And those can be pretty acrobatic and/or amusing for just that reason. Not really all that sexy, though, which I think is what the judges want on that show.

hetheeme: Yes, it's late and I failed to mention the other side, women are more flexible and atristic, but this simply makes the point stronger.

(1) Flexibility can sort of be trained (with certain limits), I imagine it's mainly the center-of-mass difference and the physiology of the hips that can't be compensated for.

(2) "More artistic"? Only if you're male and horribly biased in favor of the female form.

/likes "dancing" with girls

farbekrieg: WFern: For you it is, but in fairness, it's of great interest to some gay people (whether they're the ones dancing or watching at home).

ftfy
the gay community isnt quite as united as you might think

You'd like us to think that, wouldn't you? We know all gays think the same things about all issues.

/You all look alike, too.

Epsilon: That was an excellent apology (one must be politically correct these days), but I saw the episode and I agree with his initial statement. Who really wants to see two guys dancing together? I'm not saying it shouldn't be allowed, I'm just saying it's very uninteresting.

No, one must not. PC is an infringement on freedom of speech. You don't have the right to be not offended by others. Get a clue, folks.

If they'd been good, it wouldn't be an issue. Unfortunately they sucked, making guy-guy dancing in general an easy target since the judges seemed to have nothing to compare them to other than Blades of Glory.

Hunter7795: They weren't a same sex couple. Nice try, failmitter.

One was one of those gays the other was a normal straight man.

Nevertheless, both were male. Ergo, same sex. This is painfully obvious.