Should have used the obvious tag. Republicans are in need of a massive rework. Its time for the old guard to step down and bring in a crowd of right-of-center libertarian leaning moderates.

/Right of center libertarian leaning moderate

Limbaugh had better suck this one up 'cause Tom Ridge won't kiss his ass.

Stupid politicalometer. They'll green light links calling Obama a facist and leave them neutral, but this article is just reporting what the right is doing to the right and it gets a commie?

Republicans have leadership? Who knew?

Bek: Stupid politicalometer. They'll green light links calling Obama a facist and leave them neutral, but this article is just reporting what the right is doing to the right and it gets a commie?

Um, you do know that the Submitter picks the "Political Inclination Thermometric Analyzer" tag, don't you?

Apology in 3, 2, 1.....

Goodbye GOP, goodbye... Don't let the door hit ya where your lord split ya...

"It does get the base all fired up and he's got a strong following," Ridge continued. "But personally, if he would listen to me and I doubt if he would, the notion is express yourself but let's respect others opinions and let's not be divisive."
I'm an independent with liberal leanings, but I always liked having Tom as our governor.

I would love to see Douche Limbaugh go on the Daily Show. Stewart would make him look like the D-Bag he is and expose him to the world for all his lies, BS and hate.

/Damn I hate the right wing BS.
//But I love slashies!

General Colin Powell on Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh : "They are lying sacks of shiat and would be well advised to shut their whore mouths when men are talking."

Basically what he said this morning on Beat the Press or Mace the Nation or whatever that show was.

What's the difference between Rush and a pile of bovine fecal matter?

The bovine fecal matter can be spread out over the field to help plants grow. Rush has to be sent to a toxic waste dump.

Bek: Stupid politicalometer. They'll green light links calling Obama a facist and leave them neutral, but this article is just reporting what the right is doing to the right and it gets a commie?

Congratulations. You seem to be the only one to pay it any attention these days.

strangeguitar: I'm an independent with liberal leanings, but I always liked having Tom as our governor.

Tom Ridge left us with a budget surplus and a fully functional infrastructure.

Ed Rendell spent all the money and the infrastructure is falling apart. But hey, the philly democrats sure do have some shiny bling these days!

Weaver95: Limbaugh had better suck this one up 'cause Tom Ridge won't kiss his ass.

Actually, I'm counting on Limbaugh using this to further divide the Republican party.
Here's hoping Limbaough decides to get secessionist and create the Limbaugh party.
Having them all under one carnival tent will be much easier to know where to send the bombs.

PacManDreaming: Bek: Stupid politicalometer. They'll green light links calling Obama a facist and leave them neutral, but this article is just reporting what the right is doing to the right and it gets a commie?

Um, you do know that the Submitter picks the "Political Inclination Thermometric Analyzer" tag, don't you?

I did not know that. I actually learned something today ;)

Bek: Stupid politicalometer. They'll green light links calling Obama a facist and leave them neutral, but this article is just reporting what the right is doing to the right and it gets a commie?

Psst. The left won the last round of elections and damn near has a mandate through all three branches. Explain to me how the right is continuing to hijack America when the left currently has the majority power base?

/Seriously sick of the whining about republicans. You guys need to get shiat done while you can and stop crying to your mom about what little johnny did last year.

me texan: The left

That's funny, I see a hawkish right-of-center President with a slightly right-leaning congress and senate.

Must be funny living in a world where Obama is "leftist".

Begun, the GOP civil war has. This will be fun to watch.

me texan: You guys need to get shiat done while you can and stop crying to your mom about what little johnny did last year.

Yeah, the whole stimulus package says nothing has been done.

GAT_00: Begun, the GOP civil war has. This will be fun to watch.

me texan: You guys need to get shiat done while you can and stop crying to your mom about what little johnny did last year.

Yeah, the whole stimulus package says nothing has been done.

See? This is my point. You guys get all defensive and biatch about everything.

I didnt say you arent doing anything.. I just said you guys need to drop the biatching about the right continuing to hold some sort of magical power over you. Every day there are tons of articles biatching about Rush, Hannity, the fark site meter, etc.. its like you guys dont even realize that you've got the majority and can do damn near anything you want.

So quit biatching and focus on getting things done. For the record I voted for Obama too because the Republican party has been hijacked by mouth breathing McCarthyists that refuse to listen to both sides of the arguments.

Bored Horde: me texan: The left

That's funny, I see a hawkish right-of-center President with a slightly right-leaning congress and senate.

Must be funny living in a world where Obama is "leftist".

Based on what Limbaugh is telling the country, anyone who disagrees with Cheney is a 'lefty'. Or maybe a commie. details are a bit vague on that last bit.

Weaver95: Based on what Limbaugh is telling the country, anyone who disagrees with Cheney is a 'lefty'.


I think you're right on that; I mean, that's what Rush is saying. I saw a young Republican on CNN calling a guy from the Reagan era a lefty because he thought Bush/Cheney messed things up. So apparently anyone who criticizes BushCo is not a conservative or a Republican...

teto85: General Colin Powell on Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh : "They are lying sacks of shiat and would be well advised to shut their whore mouths when men are talking."

I wonder where you got that from. hehe...

/Nice editing.

Why does everyone keep repeating the Rush Limbaugh "20 million listeners" bull shiat?

That is a WEEKLY number. Anyone who thinks the same sycophants are listening to Rush every day is delusional.

me texan: So quit biatching and focus on getting things done. For the record I voted for Obama too because the Republican party has been hijacked by mouth breathing McCarthyists that refuse to listen to both sides of the arguments.

More will get done if the GOP gets marginalized too. Elections have consequences. The GOP did it's damnest to beat people like me into the ground for 12 years. I want revenge and seeing these people go down in flames is making me all kinds of happy.

pwhp_67: Weaver95: Based on what Limbaugh is telling the country, anyone who disagrees with Cheney is a 'lefty'.


I think you're right on that; I mean, that's what Rush is saying. I saw a young Republican on CNN calling a guy from the Reagan era a lefty because he thought Bush/Cheney messed things up. So apparently anyone who criticizes BushCo is not a conservative or a Republican...

what's ironic is that the Republicans are becoming increasingly intolerant of idelogical differences. I hear a lot of chatter on the intertubes about 'party purity' (scary enough on it's own). the ironic bit? that's the sort of intolerant mindset beloved by Marxists the world over.

I don't like where the Limbaugh wing of the Republican party is going.

Bored Horde: That's funny, I see a hawkish right-of-center President with a slightly right-leaning congress and senate. Must be funny living in a world where Obama is "leftist".

I dont define what the left is.. the Democratic party does. They put Obama up for the presidency and he won.. ergo left is Obama and the current democratic party in power.

Just like Bush represented all Republicans.. but you can ignore that little factoid and continue holding your breath while throwing tantrums.

Just because he's further right than other people in the democratic party might like doesnt mean that isnt the democratic party's stance. Personally I'm glad they went more centrist. Its about damn time the government started acting like they represented everyone and not just one side or whatever special interest group had the deepest pockets.

rcain: Actually, I'm counting on Limbaugh using this to further divide the Republican party.

He'll do whatever will increase his ratings and get more people to talk about him.

So, expect more conflict.

me texan: I dont define what the left is.. the Democratic party does


You have a short memory then. When Clinton was in office the Dems accused him of being more to the right than center or left. Of course the GOP said he was some evil socialist commie, but then pundits by and large are lying dicks. Anyway, the Dems didn't like how willing Clinton was to compromise with the Republicans and they didn't think he was far enough to the left.

So there you go. They liked him enough to run him against Bush but they felt he wasn't left leaning enough. I see Obama having the same effect. FOX will tell us that he's a socialist nightmare and the Dems in Congress will be biatching that he's too much in the center or even right of center on too many issues...

Submitter must pick a political inclination for all politics submissions. Admins often change the setting. If you worry too much about the political bias label, you just might be a basement-dweller.

GAT_00: The GOP did it's damnest to beat people like me into the ground for 12 years. I want revenge and seeing these people go down in flames is making me all kinds of happy.

I'm right there with you on that. I feel the same way about my party. We had a huge opportunity and blew it on making a big red scare instead of making the world a better place for everyone. I voted against every Republican in state, local and federal elections but one. I wrote them to tell them why too.

I just want you guys to use the time you have to get as much as you can done.. biatching about the left only causes more of the centrists to stop listening.

PETA also fails miserably here. Right now a lot of the world agrees with what they're trying to do.. but a lot of us that are a bit more wise-use conservation minded cant stand the rhetoric.

me texan: I just want you guys to use the time you have to get as much as you can done.. biatching about the left only causes more of the centrists to stop listening.

I would like Obama to be doing a bit more too. I think he's building up for ramming the healthcare bill through, which explains how quiet things are right now.

You mean a pill-addled fat guy who hurls insults at anyone who disagrees with him for a living ISN'T the greatest spokesman to get more votes for your party?

Who would have thought?

pwhp_67: me texan: I dont define what the left is.. the Democratic party does

You have a short memory then. When Clinton was in office the Dems accused him of being more to the right than center or left. Of course the GOP said he was some evil socialist commie, but then pundits by and large are lying dicks.

Don't get me wrong.. I see your point.. but the fact of the matter is that the democratic party put him up for election twice.. and almost put his wife up as well this time around (and insinuating the whole time that the apple doesnt fall far from the tree). You may not agree with their stance, but like it or not the people that you put up for election represent the core of your party.. which is another reason I didnt vote republican this time around...

Republicans need to change. I think the Democrats beat us to the punch on this one though.

me texan: its like you guys dont even realize that you've got the majority and can do damn near anything you want.

Who, exactly, are "us guys?"

Me?

What should I be doing exactly?

Sheesh.

Weaver95: strangeguitar: I'm an independent with liberal leanings, but I always liked having Tom as our governor.

Tom Ridge left us with a budget surplus and a fully functional infrastructure.

Ed Rendell spent all the money and the infrastructure is falling apart. But hey, the philly democrats sure do have some shiny bling these days!

Philly will always be farked, but that's what I'm talking about when it comes to Ridge. He left the rest of our great state in a wonderful fiscal position.
Miss that guy.

Confabulat: Who, exactly, are "us guys?" Me? What should I be doing exactly? Sheesh.

You're right. I dont know what I was thinking.. I mean gosh its such a strain to take 5 minutes out of your day to write a letter that explains things you support and dont support.. ideas for improvements or bringing attention to things that are neglected.

I love people that think that their responsibility as a citizen stops at the polling booth.

/Still has a reply letter written by President Jimmy Carter after I wrote him about the hostage crisis.. I was 7 years old at the time.

strangeguitar: Philly will always be farked, but that's what I'm talking about when it comes to Ridge. He left the rest of our great state in a wonderful fiscal position.
Miss that guy.

the ironic thing is that Rendell is despised by much of his own party. But he's got the philly democrats working for him and the most populous counties in the state go his way. And votes == mandate, even if Rendell is an asshole.

me texan: Confabulat: Who, exactly, are "us guys?" Me? What should I be doing exactly? Sheesh.

You're right. I dont know what I was thinking.. I mean gosh its such a strain to take 5 minutes out of your day to write a letter that explains things you support and dont support.. ideas for improvements or bringing attention to things that are neglected.

I love people that think that their responsibility as a citizen stops at the polling booth.

/Still has a reply letter written by President Jimmy Carter after I wrote him about the hostage crisis.. I was 7 years old at the time.

Wow, you really made a difference, huh?

me texan: biatching about the left

Should have been "biatching about the right".

Confabulat: What should I be doing exactly?



Running for office.


/Looking forward to the day when Farkers control a majority of the legislature and one's position on Duke, Heineken and Boobies is considered more relevant in SCOTUS nominations than abortions or guns.

The main problem with the Republicans today isn't that they're too right-wing (which is of course a problem), it's that they don't have any way of moving back towards the center because since Reagan the Democratic Party has taken its place on the political spectrum.

In the Clinton years you saw the party move rightward and integrate many former Republican ideas into the party, so when conservatives say- "The Republicans need to get back to their roots of fiscal discipline and hawkish foreign policy", well, guess what? The Democrats are already there! Trust me, Bernie Sanders is a leftist, not the majority of Congressmen and women.

So what can the Republicans do? All they have are social issues and that just isn't working anymore because the new generation of voters do not care about gay marriage, abortion, or race.

They may turn more libertarian but the libertarian economic ideology is seeing a reappraisal due to the economic crisis. People are not going to be too keen on radical free-market capitalism for a while. Friedman is gone.

I'm guessing the party will have to re-invent itself unless the Democratic Party goes further to the left, which it might in the next couple of years.

FloydA: Confabulat: What should I be doing exactly?



Running for office.


/Looking forward to the day when Farkers control a majority of the legislature and one's position on Duke, Heineken and Boobies is considered more relevant in SCOTUS nominations than abortions or guns.

a FARK independent party? this is relevant to my world domination schemes interests...

/your newsletter, can i has?

Confabulat: Wow, you really made a difference, huh?

When the President of the United States takes time to autograph a personalized letter that explains his actions and details what he likes about the things I had to say.. yes I can honestly say I did. Was it obvious it was a kid's letter I wrote? Yes. Did it impact him? Enough for someone on his staff to commission a letter and put it in front of him to sign.

But, hey YMMV. If you're so mired in defeatism why are you even in here?

coco ebert: The main problem with the Republicans today isn't that they're too right-wing (which is of course a problem), it's that they don't have any way of moving back towards the center because since Reagan the Democratic Party has taken its place on the political spectrum.

In the Clinton years you saw the party move rightward and integrate many former Republican ideas into the party, so when conservatives say- "The Republicans need to get back to their roots of fiscal discipline and hawkish foreign policy", well, guess what? The Democrats are already there! Trust me, Bernie Sanders is a leftist, not the majority of Congressmen and women.

So what can the Republicans do? All they have are social issues and that just isn't working anymore because the new generation of voters do not care about gay marriage, abortion, or race.

They may turn more libertarian but the libertarian economic ideology is seeing a reappraisal due to the economic crisis. People are not going to be too keen on radical free-market capitalism for a while. Friedman is gone.

I'm guessing the party will have to re-invent itself

I think you're spot on. I hope the democratic party doesnt go back more to the left though.. I'd rather the Republicans be forced to make a platform around Libertarian ideals with a bit more pro-business slant.

You're right though.. the hawkish foriegn relations needs to die in a fire. Its a global economy now and we need to realize it.

I figure at the very least a viable third party is a lot more likely after the latest rounds of political shifting.

They're starting to get it.

me texan: If you're so mired in defeatism why are you even in here?

I was responding to a statement of yours referring to "you guys" and what "we" should be doing.

Should I be doing something differently as an American citizen than you during this Obama administration?

Please clarify your Weeners and quit going off on tangents about President Carter.

Who is "us guys?" How are "we" different American citizens than "you guys?"

The thing that drives certain folks off the wall about Rushbo, Hannity and co. is that they are deliberately distorting reality in a completely dishonest and politically cynical way. The way they freaked about out about the "right-wing extremism" memo made me so sick I wrote my (R) congressman imploring him to avoid such hyper-sensationalist bedwetting.

Another part of what irks the annoyed-by rush crowd is that he is specifically trying to be counterproductive. He isn't offering any sort of alternative solution, he is only trying to create a whole culture of outrage to prevent anything useful from being done, which most folks find pretty asinine. Plus, that whole supporting both Theocracy and Torture is a bit insane and frustrating. Some people are trying to make the country better -- others wouldn't mind return to the 11th century.

My mother helped register voters with the local GOP chapter -- she's been an (I) for years but old people I guess tend to become more conservative. Anyway, she got grilled by the local GOP organizer on a variety of issues and when my mother refused to take the party line that Sarah Palin is the next St. Ronald, she was told that she is merely an 'infiltrator' to the party and that Sarah Palin is the next American Joan D'Arc. My mother was disgusted that these mouth-breathers were so exclusionary and thoughtlessly enamored to an idiotic idea of ideological purity. Needless to say, there were a lot of "I told you sos."

The GOP, and the larger conservative movement in general is increasingly being defined by what is called the "Siege mentality" -- that everyone is out to get them and they need to keep out anyone who has any sort of deviance to their line, because they are automatically an enemy. (yer' either wit' us or against us') This hurts in getting votes and is generally infuriating because it is basically BS and counterproductive toward achieving nation-wide policy goals. In my example above, there are two screaming examples of the siege mentality -- that a person who deviates on a minor point is an 'infiltrator' and that their prospective savior is modeled after a schizophrenic 15th century French girl from a time where France was seen as under siege.

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SpeshilEdjukashin:

Then why is Ridge wasting his time? Why does the GOP line change with his show, with Limbaugh leading the way? He's your leader. Bow, servant!

teto85: What's the difference between Rush and a pile of bovine fecal matter?

About 300 pounds.

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