I can't wait to see the quotes from several years ago and the quotes from next month where both sides have the polar opposite views between the two time periods.

Subby- play nice!

/Don't.

Why do they insist on these ridiculous, childish displays? How about getting some actual work done?

miketinte: Why do they insist on these ridiculous, childish displays? How about getting some actual work done?

Because getting some work done is un-American.

miketinte: Why do they insist on these ridiculous, childish displays?

Because it's not about running the country and representing your constituents, it's about THE PARTY.

/registered non-partisan because both sides suck

eddyatwork: /registered non-partisan because both sides suck

Go ahead, waste your vote.

I can't wait to see Fark after some 3rd party has had prominence in our system for a while.

"All 3 sides are bad, but I'm cool because I only support a 4th alternative !"

miketinte: Why do they insist on these ridiculous, childish displays? How about getting some actual work done?

well, when you spend 12 years under the boot heel of tom delay and newt gingrich, you naturally want to serve the GOP a heaping plate of "suck it."

and i don't blame them one farking bit. republicans invented hyperpartisan politics. it's time they learned how it feels on the receiving end.

flucto: Go ahead, waste your vote.

The only wasted vote is voting for a party that doesn't represent you in the fear that the other party that doesn't represent you might win. Seriously, in 2004 the presidential election was a rich white guy who never worked a day in his life v. another rich white guy who never worked a day in his life and both of them tried to tell me that they understood my pain. Uh huh. Throwing my vote away on the Libertarians was better than validating the entire corrupt system

I can actually hear the right side of the internet and cable news sharpening their knives. By announcement time I'm guessing that you'll be able to hear their drool hitting the floor. Remember, it's not news...it's punditry and propaganda.

Stay Cool Babylon: I can actually hear the right side of the internet and cable news sharpening their knives. By announcement time I'm guessing that you'll be able to hear their drool hitting the floor. Remember, it's not news...it's punditry and propaganda.

....Which is exactly why I brought the popcorn. Want some?

eddyatwork: The only wasted vote is voting for a party that doesn't represent you in the fear that the other party that doesn't represent you might win. Seriously, in 2004 the presidential election was a rich white guy who never worked a day in his life v. another rich white guy who never worked a day in his life and both of them tried to tell me that they understood my pain. Uh huh. Throwing my vote away on the Libertarians was better than validating the entire corrupt system

Adjust sarcasm meter - I farking hate the false choice of the "two party" system.

Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee are resisting President Barack Obama's call for a swift confirmation of his choice for Supreme Court, opening a rift between the parties even before the nominee has even been named.

There is not a damn thing they can do about any of this. In fact, once Franken takes his seat, the Republicans become even less relevant.

The Democrats will have a supermajority. They will get to confirm anyone they want, no matter what the Republicans say on the matter. In fact, that's pretty much ALL the Republicans will get to do - say things. And they won't get much of a chance to even do that.

I think this needs to happen to the Republicans. they NEED to be powerless. they need to understand why abandoning the fiscal conservatives was such a bad idea and the only thing that seems to grab the attention of the Republican leadership is farking with their powerbase. So let's have Obama and the Democrats just tromp all over 'em for a bit. Rub their noses in it. Mock them. And maybe....JUST maybe....they'll learn from all of this.

flucto: eddyatwork: /registered non-partisan because both sides suck

Go ahead, waste your vote.

actually, it's not wasted at all. all those 'wasted votes' add up after a while. And lets face it - any vote that doesn't go to the Republicans isn't wasted at all.

Weaver95: And maybe....JUST maybe....they'll learn from all of this.

No they won't. They've already shown that they will just further embrace the fundamentalism christians, whine about how they are oppressed, and alienate even more moderates.

Weaver95: In fact, that's pretty much ALL the Republicans will get to do - say things.

Ever increasingly, bizarrely, wingnutterly irrelevant things. They will solidify their 22%-er base for a generation.

eddyatwork: Weaver95: And maybe....JUST maybe....they'll learn from all of this.

No they won't. They've already shown that they will just further embrace the fundamentalism christians, whine about how they are oppressed, and alienate even more moderates.

yeah. I'm not seeing a lot of indications that they've learned a damn thing. But I'm hoping that if the Republicans lose enough power that the practical sides of their brains will kick into overdrive and kill the fundie side of their brain and we'll see a shift back towards the center.

Weaver95: I'm not seeing a lot of indications that they've learned a damn thing.

It shows how messed up the political situation is when a socialist and a conservative are both saying the same thing. I really wish there were an economically conservative party that would reduce spending while not giving a crap about what people do in the bedroom.

I just want to pat them on their adorable little heads

I just want to kick them in their big fat asses.

Weaver95: yeah. I'm not seeing a lot of indications that they've learned a damn thing. But I'm hoping that if the Republicans lose enough power that the practical sides of their brains will kick into overdrive and kill the fundie side of their brain and we'll see a shift back towards the center.

I wouldn't bet on it. The fundies have too much control.

flucto: Go ahead, waste your vote.

Actually, a vote for either popular party is a wasted vote. Have you noticed how they basically ignore the populace?

angrymacface: I wouldn't bet on it. The fundies have too much control.

There comes a point where even the fundies have to either admit that they've farked up and change their tune or risk the destruction of the Republican party.

I can't believe that the Republican leaders will allow the radicals to destroy them. At some point they have to draw a line and say 'this far, no further'. If they keep up with this whole cartoon-ish 'my way or the highway' attitude, it will cost them the mid term elections. And if/when THAT happens, not even the fundies will be able to ignore reality any longer.

eddyatwork: Weaver95: I'm not seeing a lot of indications that they've learned a damn thing.

It shows how messed up the political situation is when a socialist and a conservative are both saying the same thing. I really wish there were an economically conservative party that would reduce spending while not giving a crap about what people do in the bedroom.

There was a post/article on redstate the other day about how 'true republicans' should hate and despise 'weak willed moderate traitors' for betraying the the party to the democrats.

it would have been funny, if it wasn't for the fact that the author really did seem to believe that ALL the troubles of the Republican party are the fault of the fiscal conservatives. which is farking insane. I'm not exaggerating either - that mindset is clinically insane. it's a crazy person view.

Weaver95: There comes a point where even the fundies have to either admit that they've farked up and change their tune or risk the destruction of the Republican party.

They wouldn't be fundamentalists if they were capable of rational thought.

I can't believe that the Republican leaders will allow the radicals to destroy them. At some point they have to draw a line and say 'this far, no further'. If they keep up with this whole cartoon-ish 'my way or the highway' attitude, it will cost them the mid term elections. And if/when THAT happens, not even the fundies will be able to ignore reality any longer.

Can you really see the Republican leadership saying STFU to the Religious Right?

angrymacface: Can you really see the Republican leadership saying STFU to the Religious Right?

If things get bad enough, if they get pushed into a corner and have no other group to blame...then yes, I think that is what will happen.

Weaver95: At some point they have to draw a line and say 'this far, no further'.

Problems is when you allow the most radical of your party to have too much say in the way things are run, it's hard to put the brakes on them.

And if they do manage to maintain or even gain a seat or two in 2010, the hard core base will say "See- we are right", and it will be even harder to open up the party more.

Weaver95: There comes a point where even the fundies have to either admit that they've farked up

The reason that they are the way they are is precisely why they can't do this.

They lack the facility for critical self-examination.

from Weaver95 And maybe....JUST maybe....they'll learn from all of this.

From your lips to God's ear.

angrymacface: Can you really see the Republican leadership saying STFU to the Religious Right?

Never happen. They think that the fundies are too important and the thing is there are a hell of a lot of them. In PA some group did a survey asking people what they thought of Rick Santorum and it was scary to realize that a good 38% of the people thought his politics were just right while another 13% thought he was too liberal. Seriously, over half the state basically thought he wasn't wrong.

Weaver95: If things get bad enough, if they get pushed into a corner and have no other group to blame...then yes, I think that is what will happen.

The sane members who could admit that are outnumbered, though. And as you said earlier:

There was a post/article on redstate the other day about how 'true republicans' should hate and despise 'weak willed moderate traitors' for betraying the the party to the democrats.

it would have been funny, if it wasn't for the fact that the author really did seem to believe that ALL the troubles of the Republican party are the fault of the fiscal conservatives. which is farking insane. I'm not exaggerating either - that mindset is clinically insane. it's a crazy person view.

The insane part prevents them from seeing what they're doing. I believe the party will continue to implode. The sane members will hopefully bail and there'll be nothing left but a small core of rabid crazies calling themselves the GOP.

I think the funniest part is they don't think they are irreverent yet. They still think that people listen to them, and that their views are actually intelligent. And the best part is they are going to go even more batshiat insane after the 2010 elections. Good times.

flucto: eddyatwork: The only wasted vote is voting for a party that doesn't represent you in the fear that the other party that doesn't represent you might win. Seriously, in 2004 the presidential election was a rich white guy who never worked a day in his life v. another rich white guy who never worked a day in his life and both of them tried to tell me that they understood my pain. Uh huh. Throwing my vote away on the Libertarians was better than validating the entire corrupt system

Adjust sarcasm meter - I farking hate the false choice of the "two party" system.

I think that you probably need to adjust your sarcasm writing.

eddyatwork: No they won't. They've already shown that they will just further embrace the fundamentalism christians

You're looking at it backwards. The fundies embraced the Republican party. The Republicans couldn't exactly alienate a voting bloc that would reliably turn out, but then the fundies realized the power they held, and that's when the GOP started to slide.

Weaver95: angrymacface: Can you really see the Republican leadership saying STFU to the Religious Right?

If things get bad enough, if they get pushed into a corner and have no other group to blame...then yes, I think that is what will happen.

They can't do that. They're convinced they have God on their side, and God is cheering them on, and nobody else. They are as likely to turn their backs on the oppressive Fundies as the Earth is to stop spinning tomorrow. Which means they are going to keep going down, and this show is going to get even funnier. Plus, the crazier they get, the quicker they alienate everyone else. It is a never ending cycle of trainwreck.

What was it George Bush said so smugly all the time?

"Elections have consequences".

Suck it, GOP.

If the GOP were serious about even trying to regain relevance, they could effectively muzzle the fundies simply by downplaying the rhetoric. Note to 'conservatives': You don't need to continue working your revival meetings into a froth. They WILL vote for you as long as this remains a two party affair. What, if you drop the "Real American" and "teh gheys threaten John Wayne's America" crap they're instantly going to defect to the left?

Focus your message on attracting new votes, not confirming the ones who will sooner blindly follow into oblivion than vote for a liberal. Why is it that some bartender on Fark.com knows this, but the leadership in your own party doesn't get it?

Weaver95: There comes a point where even the fundies have to either admit that they've farked up and change their tune or risk the destruction of the Republican party.

Are you kidding? The Republican Party has become a Southern Party. There are plenty of Southerns who still refuse to accept that seceding from the Union was wrong.

I too am all about the fiscally conservative and stay the hell out of my bedroom politics. It does not look (to me at least) like I'm alone in this.

How can we just found a new party, call it the Fiscal Conservative party, and see how long it takes to gain any kind of momentum?

What does it take to found a party? Do you register somewhere? Just run a candidate with your new party name as his/her affiliation?

GAT_00: They're convinced they have God on their side, and God is cheering them on, and nobody else.

Too true- and it feeds directly in to their persecution complex, to have the whole secular world against them.

angrymacface: The insane part prevents them from seeing what they're doing. I believe the party will continue to implode. The sane members will hopefully bail and there'll be nothing left but a small core of rabid crazies calling themselves the GOP.

even the crazies understand that getting kicked out of office is a BAD thing. which is why I think that there are some practical types still in there somewhere. I just don't know if they'll be able to shift things back towards the center or not.

unlikely: What does it take to found a party?

I'm not sure, but my guess is:

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

and lots of it.

Weaver95: even the crazies understand that getting kicked out of office is a BAD thing.

True- but the problem is they really really think that most Americans think the way they do. An associate of mine, a teabagger, set up a website filled with the usual teabagger talking points, and in it he explicitly calls themselves a part of the 'silent majority'.

Interesting that the only good Republicans, from whom the party is supposed to be saved, are those most similar to Democrats.

what_now: What was it George Bush said so smugly all the time?

"Elections have consequences".

Suck it, GOP.

This! They got spanked in the last two elections; how they still feel that their minority should be worth just as much is beyond me.

Weaver95: The Democrats will have a supermajority

why does everyone think the democrats will vote as a unified block on every issue?

All it takes is one social or fiscal conservative democrat to throw a monkey wrench in it.

Or arlen spector.

And when Bush was considering court nominees he had better listen to the Democrats no matter what.

Oh how times have changed.

flucto: eddyatwork: The only wasted vote is voting for a party that doesn't represent you in the fear that the other party that doesn't represent you might win. Seriously, in 2004 the presidential election was a rich white guy who never worked a day in his life v. another rich white guy who never worked a day in his life and both of them tried to tell me that they understood my pain. Uh huh. Throwing my vote away on the Libertarians was better than validating the entire corrupt system

Adjust sarcasm meter - I farking hate the false choice of the "two party" system.

I wonder if now would be a great time to try for proportional representation, or Instant Runoff Voting. The remaining Republicans would see that it would benefit them, and it has always appealed to many Democrats....

Yaya, the open mouth breathing knuckle draggers get a court pick. Let me know when that changes the overall makeup of the court. Till then, I'll be waterboarding (TORTURING) little brown people.....

Of course the Republicans will have their way. It's the farking senate. Harry reid talks big, but he's the biggest pussy in Congress.

He's a farking pussy and should DIAF so the dems can have a real leader in the senate.