Could someone sum up that overly in-depth article for me? I don't have much of an attention span.

"Stolen emergency vehicle" trifecta now in play?

It was stolen again?

Somebody steal an ambulance so we can have a trifecta.

AliasUndercover: Somebody steal an ambulance so we can have a trifecta.

I'm on it!

Not entirely applicable, but it's been in my head for five days now...

"I see a fire truck, a big red shiny fire truck. I see a fire truck, coming down the street."

AliasUndercover: Somebody steal an ambulance so we can have a trifecta.

what about a swat van? wouldnt that be even better?

That depends, will they be returning their fraudulent disability pensions to the taxpayers?

Uhhm, subby needs to take a reading comprehension class. Article clearly states the vehicle has been recovered. Seems like this is just a case where someone forgot the lock the doors, hide the keys, etc.

They should check the docks and warehouse. I heard some high class car collector overseas is paying good money for American emergency vehicles.

He still needs to collect an ambulance, a tank, and a hunter helicopter.

maybe if they start a few small fires, itll lure it out into the open.

Red and white? Must be at the Alamo.

Firefighters are looking for a Coca-Cola truck?

DRTFA

I don't remember this part in GrandTheftAuto ...

Red Fist Of Harmony: "Stolen emergency vehicle" trifecta now in play?

I bet P.A.G.A.N. is behind it.

SevenYearHawk: I don't remember this part in GrandTheftAuto ...

This article went back and forth from TotalFark.

Look for the inflammable man.

eggi541: Seems like this is just a case where someone forgot the lock the doors, hide the keys, etc.

Once in the station, you'll discover that the vehicle doors aren't locked, and if they even happen to need keys, they will be in them ...

The "stolen city vehicle by a moran or morans" trifeca in effect!

Treasure hunt?

All we need now is a live pig, an original TR-303 and a pair of white shoes...

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: That depends, will they be returning their fraudulent disability pensions to the taxpayers?


Seriously, aren't firefighter the biggers group of cry-arses around? And I'm sick of this firefighter hero worship too. Yes, you job is dangerious, we get it. None foreced you to become a firefighter, do your job and be a man about it. And stfu already.

Semantic Warrior: Red Fist Of Harmony: "Stolen emergency vehicle" trifecta now in play?

I bet P.A.G.A.N. is behind it.

WIN

AliasUndercover: Somebody steal an ambulance so we can have a trifecta.

I'm on duty today, so I am driving an ambulance all around town. I suppose I could go AWOL for a few minutes and go to Arby's or something.

GonzoNihilist: Seriously, aren't firefighter the biggers group of cry-arses around? And I'm sick of this firefighter hero worship too. Yes, you job is dangerious, we get it. None foreced you to become a firefighter, do your job and be a man about it. And stfu already.

I agree with the sentiment, but being a firefighter is not NEARLY as dangerous as they make it out to be. Not even ballpark. Statistically it is far more dangerous to be an electrician, a construction worker, a fisherman, and many, many other jobs. And the amount of actual honest-to-goodness house/business fires they put out is minuscule. The annual average for most cities is 0.

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: I agree with the sentiment, but being a firefighter is not NEARLY as dangerous as they make it out to be. Not even ballpark. Statistically it is far more dangerous to be an electrician, a construction worker, a fisherman, and many, many other jobs. And the amount of actual honest-to-goodness house/business fires they put out is minuscule. The annual average for most cities is 0.

Like I said in another thread, being a firefighter is one of those jobs where you don't get paid for what you do as much as what you are trained to do. Sure, most of their time is taken up doing training exercises and, if they have a combined fire/rescue service (most cities do these days) they spend most of their time handling any emergency medical call from traffic accidents to little old ladies tripping over cats.

But when a fire DOES happen, you don't want to be without them. You want them on hand, equipment at the ready, and fully trained and practiced for the job at hand.

They don't seem necessary until you need them.

Shadowknight:

Like I said in another thread, being a firefighter is one of those jobs where you don't get paid for what you do as much as what you are trained to do. Sure, most of their time is taken up doing training exercises and, if they have a combined fire/rescue service (most cities do these days) they spend most of their time handling any emergency medical call from traffic accidents to little old ladies tripping over cats.

But when a fire DOES happen, you don't want to be without them. You want them on hand, equipment at the ready, and fully trained and practiced for the job at hand.

They don't seem necessary until you need them.

THIS

fighting17th: THIS

I've just seen it too many times where a city cuts it's emergency services, be it fire, police, EMS, or any combination thereof, because they can do it on the sly without anyone noticing. After all, you don't really notice until it's time to call them.

And no one notices until the wrong person calls 911 for an ambulance, and the response time is delayed because the city is backlogged on calls and the trucks are busy. A letter to the editor, or if the person themselves are influential, and a shiatstorm ensues. Inevitably, the city passes the buck onto EMS/Fire/Police, and the public loses confidence in their emergency workers.

Eventually, some huge catastrophe happens. Sept. 11th is an example, but most of the time it's not THAT dramatic. It could be a daring boat rescue, a high rise fire, a rescue from a twelve car wreck with no fatalities... And people will get a sense of hero worship with the emergency workers again. Politicians in the city and state government make a big show of increasing funding to these services, and pose with firefighters in front of the brand new truck that just replaced the 20 year old one. And after the fervor and elections are over, budgets get cut again so drastically that now they can't afford men to man the shiny new truck and the cycle begins anew.

It's an EMERGENCY service. Things happen you can't budget for, and sometimes they don't, but you have to have the manpower and equipment on hand or when the shiat hits the fan you're really in trouble. Think of it as insurance against the worst case scenario. You don't always use the insurance, but you're glad for it when you do.

Ding Ding! Here comes the shiat-mobile.

Shadowknight: But when a fire DOES happen, you don't want to be without them.

Yes I do. Please don't tell me what I want.

You want them on hand, equipment at the ready, and fully trained and practiced for the job at hand.

No I don't. Again, please don't tell me what I want. The negligible reduction of risk is not worth anywhere near the expense and externalities. The reason it isn't privatized is because nobody would ever voluntarily pay for the service, i.e. inefficiency and waste.

They don't seem necessary until you need them.

I have never needed them, nor will I ever. Nor has anyone I've ever known, nor likely will anyone I've ever known.

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox:
Yes I do. Please don't tell me what I want.

No I don't. Again, please don't tell me what I want. The negligible reduction of risk is not worth anywhere near the expense and externalities. The reason it isn't privatized is because nobody would ever voluntarily pay for the service, i.e. inefficiency and waste.

I have never needed them, nor will I ever. Nor has anyone I've ever known, nor likely will anyone I've ever known.

I've seen a lot of people argue against police, as they don't "protect" as much as they respond after the fact. That argument I don't necessarily agree with, but it at least passes a logical test.

But you are the very first person I have ever seen argue AGAINST emergency fire/rescue response. On an average day duty, I get about 12 calls on my ambulance, eight of which really did require an EMS response. To most of those calls, the fire department arrives first due to their station being closer to the scene, and they render care until we arrive. Necessary care, in a lot of cases, to at the very least ease pain/distress or halt their imminent demise.

Yes, there aren't that many fires in this day and age, what with our improved fire retardant building materials and mandated sprinkler systems and fire extinguishers. But are you seriously arguing that we should let structures burn to the ground because some idiot put out a cigarette in the bathroom trash? That we should have no one to make it their job to make sure no one is inside that building when something happens?

How about highway response, with a big accident? How does your capitalist utopia handle something like that, blocking off the area and keeping it from ending up an even worse accident?

They do a lot more than fight fires these days, guy. It's what they are known for, sure, but they handle everything from a smoldering waste paper basket to apartment fires to cardiac arrests to seven car pileups and vehicle extractions. And you are honestly saying that you or anyone you ever know will never need these services and that we as a society shouldn't pony up for it?

If you are honestly arguing that and not being a troll, I am extremely saddened by this.

/not a firefighter
//I just work with them

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: Shadowknight: But when a fire DOES happen, you don't want to be without them.

Yes I do. Please don't tell me what I want.

You want them on hand, equipment at the ready, and fully trained and practiced for the job at hand.

No I don't. Again, please don't tell me what I want. The negligible reduction of risk is not worth anywhere near the expense and externalities. The reason it isn't privatized is because nobody would ever voluntarily pay for the service, i.e. inefficiency and waste.

They don't seem necessary until you need them.

I have never needed them, nor will I ever. Nor has anyone I've ever known, nor likely will anyone I've ever known.
THE WORLD SHOULD REVOLVE AROUND MY PERSONAL NEEDS. fark EVERYONE ELSE. ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE FIREFIGHTERS HAVE SAVED FROM ROLLED CARS, HOUSE FIRES, CARBON MONOXIDE POISONING AND OTHER EMERGENCIES ARE UNIMPORTANT AS THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ME OR ANYONE I KNOW. IN FACT IT IS PROBABLY ALL LIBBY PROPAGANDA.

FTFY

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: I have never needed them, nor will I ever. Nor has anyone I've ever known, nor likely will anyone I've ever known.

I'm not going to tell you what you can and can't do, but I will say that the future cannot be predicted.

Shadowknight: They do a lot more than fight fires these days, guy. It's what they are known for, sure, but they handle everything from a smoldering waste paper basket to apartment fires to cardiac arrests to seven car pileups and vehicle extractions. And you are honestly saying that you or anyone you ever know will never need these services and that we as a society shouldn't pony up for it?

I agree that they respond to many calls. Most of them are, like you've said, non-problems and a total waste of time. Burnt toast, cigarette in a wastepaper basket, blocked chimney. They roar down the road with sirens blasting 5-10 minutes after the fire is already out, order people around, saunter around with a portable air analyzer for 10 minutes like big shots while they determine what everybody already knows, and then they leave. Waste of everyone's time and money.

As for medical emergencies, those should be handled by much more efficient EMT crews, not firefighters. Both services could be easily privatized (and are with success, in many areas), although they could be public but far more efficient in the alternative. In any case, the current "standing" crews could be reduced by half at a minimum. There are medium-sized cities near me that have 1 firefighter for every 200 citizens. Think about that for a moment, it's absolutely ludicrous beyond all reason or need. Our current system just perpetuates government/union waste and paves it over with "safety/hero worship" propaganda, you won't convince me otherwise because I've been seeing it firsthand my entire life.

If you are honestly arguing that and not being a troll, I am extremely saddened by this.

Oh fark off, I'm not a troll, I just disagree with you. Take people's arguments at face value.

nstoppiello: THE WORLD SHOULD REVOLVE AROUND MY PERSONAL NEEDS. fark EVERYONE ELSE. ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE FIREFIGHTERS HAVE SAVED FROM ROLLED CARS, HOUSE FIRES, CARBON MONOXIDE POISONING AND OTHER EMERGENCIES ARE UNIMPORTANT AS THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ME OR ANYONE I KNOW. IN FACT IT IS PROBABLY ALL LIBBY PROPAGANDA.

FTFY

I am not a conservative, and I think you're a little confused as to how most conservatives feel about firefighters.

What's red, white, and full of gazelles?

A firetruck.

/the ambulances will have to wait their turn
//instantrimshot.com

fighting17th: Shadowknight:

Like I said in another thread, being a firefighter is one of those jobs where you don't get paid for what you do as much as what you are trained to do. Sure, most of their time is taken up doing training exercises and, if they have a combined fire/rescue service (most cities do these days) they spend most of their time handling any emergency medical call from traffic accidents to little old ladies tripping over cats.

But when a fire DOES happen, you don't want to be without them. You want them on hand, equipment at the ready, and fully trained and practiced for the job at hand.

They don't seem necessary until you need them.

THIS

Yeah, and you don't hear too many stories about fire fighters turning into egoterrorists and maiming their fellow citizens for not "respecting ma authoritah"

Welll....sometimes they go off the deep end and start setting fires of their own. But that's a different mental problem.

/not a firefighter, don't worry

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: Shadowknight: But when a fire DOES happen, you don't want to be without them.

Yes I do. Please don't tell me what I want.

You want them on hand, equipment at the ready, and fully trained and practiced for the job at hand.

No I don't. Again, please don't tell me what I want. The negligible reduction of risk is not worth anywhere near the expense and externalities. The reason it isn't privatized is because nobody would ever voluntarily pay for the service, i.e. inefficiency and waste.

They don't seem necessary until you need them.

I have never needed them, nor will I ever. Nor has anyone I've ever known, nor likely will anyone I've ever known.

Remember in the thread where we were blasting RaR and you mentioned your big scheme to have trolls voted off of Fark? And I said "then you'd probably go?"

This is an example of why. Really? Firefighters don't put out fires? Perhaps you want to go with the old Roman model of paying a private firm to put out the fire while your house is on fire? I hear Crassus made his fortune that way.

Jeesh! I'm the subby, and I got to tell you this is the lamest link I've ever submitted; and simultaneously the only one that has ever gone green. I didn't even check on this till now, like 12 hours later. Jeesh, I've submitted some pretty good stuff before, but this isn't one of them. Jeesh!

/blankly stares at tide table; briefly understands

Der Vassermeister: Jeesh! I'm the subby, and I got to tell you this is the lamest link I've ever submitted; and simultaneously the only one that has ever gone green. I didn't even check on this till now, like 12 hours later. Jeesh, I've submitted some pretty good stuff before, but this isn't one of them. Jeesh!

/blankly stares at tide table; briefly understands

You must be from CT. I saw this story on the news last night at 11. :)

knobee: eggi541: Seems like this is just a case where someone forgot the lock the doors, hide the keys, etc.

Once in the station, you'll discover that the vehicle doors aren't locked, and if they even happen to need keys, they will be in them ...

Correct me if I am wrong, but usually, only the trusted employees have access to keys. Ergo, a fire truck not worth crud without the leader and so on.

So tired of reduced capacity exams to fill slots concerning public safety. I live in a town with city and volunteer firefarters. WW2 sirens used to alert the whole dang town to a fire, etc.

Already screwed out of one town in Cali cuzz 'fire' chief raided coffers and stole the $2 million account...payed part again for second engine AGAIN before leaving Cali. Love to see hard lessons go soft outside any state.

Chop the hands off of any thieves.

Burden_In_My_Hand: Der Vassermeister: Jeesh! I'm the subby, and I got to tell you this is the lamest link I've ever submitted; and simultaneously the only one that has ever gone green. I didn't even check on this till now, like 12 hours later. Jeesh, I've submitted some pretty good stuff before, but this isn't one of them. Jeesh!

/blankly stares at tide table; briefly understands

You must be from CT. I saw this story on the news last night at 11. :)

Yes.

/looks suspiciously at sharp kitchen knives, thinking exestentially, but giving no reagard to spelling