A few things:

1) What would Moby know about making money in a band in the year 2009?

2) Why is he even noting "ten million records" as a FINANCIAL benchmark? He goes on to admit that record sales aren't the breadwinner for artists, so why initially pretend that it's not the case? Is he trying to tell people something that they already knew 10 years ago, and pretend like he's telling us something original? (oh, wait, I answered my own question)

3) OF COURSE PEOPLE ARE NOT BUYING ALBUMS, THEY ARE BUYING MUSIC ONLINE! Soon, we're going to see "platinum albums" replaced with "platinum MP3 players" or some such.

You don't make any money off album sales these days. Touring is where you make some cash.

The money in music now is about creating an image, a character, and selling it. Look at Jay-Z. Look at 50 cent. Look at Eminem. They're huge, and I am willing to bet that their record sales are only important in getting their name out more.

more people are going to start doing music for the right reasons? that's all good news to me.

Remind me what he's been doing for the past 20 years...

It sure wasn't in the pursuit of "art."

I'm sure he's good in his own genre, but let me know when he learns the violin. I have 9-year-old students more talented and creative than him.

I heard somewhere (think a magazine) that bands usually get most of their money from T-shirt sales at concerts.

HappyHarryHardOn: more people are going to start doing music for the right reasons? that's all good news to me.

just make sure to upload your songs so that I can play them on guitar hero.

Yeah but the majority of those "MAKE IT AT ANY COSTS" douches who move to LA usually get what they deserved anyway.

TempeSun: You don't make any money off album sales these days. Touring is where you make some cash.

that's nothing new, that's always been how it was.

ecmoRandomNumbers: Remind me what he's been doing for the past 20 years...

It sure wasn't in the pursuit of "art."

I'm sure he's good in his own genre, but let me know when he learns the violin. I have 9-year-old students more talented and creative than him.

You sound like a music snob. Let's see how many of your 9 year olds will be selling out Celebrity Theater in 10 years.

/not a big Moby fan, but, he is an icon in the DJ 'genre'.

SilentStrider: TempeSun: You don't make any money off album sales these days. Touring is where you make some cash.

that's nothing new, that's always been how it was.

Yeah, but back in the day, you could also make some cash with multi-platinum albums. You just don't see many albums selling 10 million in this day and age.

TempeSun: ecmoRandomNumbers: Remind me what he's been doing for the past 20 years...

It sure wasn't in the pursuit of "art."

I'm sure he's good in his own genre, but let me know when he learns the violin. I have 9-year-old students more talented and creative than him.

You sound like a music snob. Let's see how many of your 9 year olds will be selling out Celebrity Theater in 10 years.

/not a big Moby fan, but, he is an icon in the DJ 'genre'.

I am a music snob. Moby is an "artist" just like Paul Shaffer. They do a paying gig, but they're not creators.

Are your nine year olds writing their own original music?

TempeSun: Are your nine year olds writing their own original music?

I sure hope they don't write other people's original music.

ecmoRandomNumbers: TempeSun: ecmoRandomNumbers: Remind me what he's been doing for the past 20 years...

It sure wasn't in the pursuit of "art."

I'm sure he's good in his own genre, but let me know when he learns the violin. I have 9-year-old students more talented and creative than him.

You sound like a music snob. Let's see how many of your 9 year olds will be selling out Celebrity Theater in 10 years.

/not a big Moby fan, but, he is an icon in the DJ 'genre'.

I am a music snob. Moby is an "artist" just like Paul Shaffer. They do a paying gig, but they're not creators.



sounds like you're teaching these kids to be self-important little assholes who will take themselves too seriously and refer to themselves as "artists"

TempeSun: Are your nine year olds writing their own original music?

If they did, then Sony would sign them to a 10 year contract and have them cranking out the tunes for their next manufactured tween rock star.

I always wonder why people hate on DJs. Most of them do make their own music. It is not always just sample this and sample that.

Paul Shaffer does run a cover band. Moby does not. He is a 'creator'. He can play guitar and piano.

Weaver95: TempeSun: Are your nine year olds writing their own original music?

If they did, then Sony would sign them to a 10 year contract and have them cranking out the tunes for their next manufactured tween rock star.

HA!

People who rag on DJ's for making songs by mixing up noise forget that every musician does the same exact thing.

A trumpet player will make a song by playing notes. All trumpet players are using the same notes, but nobody is accusing trumpet players of just aping each other.

Hetfield: TempeSun: Are your nine year olds writing their own original music?

I sure hope they don't write other people's original music.

That was cold-play nice.

Bored Horde: People who rag on DJ's for making songs by mixing up noise forget that every musician does the same exact thing.

A trumpet player will make a song by playing notes. All trumpet players are using the same notes, but nobody is accusing trumpet players of just aping each other.

Absolutely! Christ, music is music. It is pretty easy to hear the ones that are faking it just for the cash. But, don't hate on a whole genre of music just because you don't care for it.

TempeSun: You don't make any money off album sales these days. Touring is where you make some cash.

People keep repeating this as if it were true. While the first part is accurate, the second part is a myth.

Successful recording artists should be able to make somewhat of a living from the sale of their music, not live check-to-check without health insurance.

/manager, booking agent for indie artists.

HappyHarryHardOn: ecmoRandomNumbers: TempeSun: ecmoRandomNumbers: Remind me what he's been doing for the past 20 years...

It sure wasn't in the pursuit of "art."

I'm sure he's good in his own genre, but let me know when he learns the violin. I have 9-year-old students more talented and creative than him.

You sound like a music snob. Let's see how many of your 9 year olds will be selling out Celebrity Theater in 10 years.

/not a big Moby fan, but, he is an icon in the DJ 'genre'.

I am a music snob. Moby is an "artist" just like Paul Shaffer. They do a paying gig, but they're not creators.



sounds like you're teaching these kids to be self-important little assholes who will take themselves too seriously and refer to themselves as "artists"

You sound drunk. Or stupid. Or both.

Bored Horde: People who rag on DJ's for making songs by mixing up noise forget that every musician does the same exact thing.

A trumpet player will make a song by playing notes. All trumpet players are using the same notes, but nobody is accusing trumpet players of just aping each other.

No.

Playing music means hitting notes. Making music means creating melodies. Can you not see the difference?

Hetfield: Bored Horde: People who rag on DJ's for making songs by mixing up noise forget that every musician does the same exact thing.

A trumpet player will make a song by playing notes. All trumpet players are using the same notes, but nobody is accusing trumpet players of just aping each other.

No.

Playing music means hitting notes. Making music means creating melodies. Can you not see the difference?

Of course I can. Moby is a composer, he just uses samples of noise instead of writing instructions for musicians.

Brettster808: TempeSun: You don't make any money off album sales these days. Touring is where you make some cash.

People keep repeating this as if it were true. While the first part is accurate, the second part is a myth.

Successful recording artists should be able to make somewhat of a living from the sale of their music, not live check-to-check without health insurance.

/manager, booking agent for indie artists.

I totally agree with this. I wish artists could see more from the sale of their music. I know the smaller bands have a tough go of it, I was just talking about the big name artists. Touring is where they make their money these days.

Hetfield: Bored Horde: People who rag on DJ's for making songs by mixing up noise forget that every musician does the same exact thing.

A trumpet player will make a song by playing notes. All trumpet players are using the same notes, but nobody is accusing trumpet players of just aping each other.

No.

Playing music means hitting notes. Making music means creating melodies. Can you not see the difference?

Exactly. Wynton Marsalis has done things with his trumpet that Louis Armstrong couldn't even imagine in his day. Trumpet playing has evolved, thanks to these guys and to drum and bugle corps. And there's a bunch of kids out there right now who are going to make Marsalis look like an amateur in 20 years.

ecmoRandomNumbers: HappyHarryHardOn: ecmoRandomNumbers: TempeSun: ecmoRandomNumbers: Remind me what he's been doing for the past 20 years...

It sure wasn't in the pursuit of "art."

I'm sure he's good in his own genre, but let me know when he learns the violin. I have 9-year-old students more talented and creative than him.

You sound like a music snob. Let's see how many of your 9 year olds will be selling out Celebrity Theater in 10 years.

/not a big Moby fan, but, he is an icon in the DJ 'genre'.

I am a music snob. Moby is an "artist" just like Paul Shaffer. They do a paying gig, but they're not creators.



sounds like you're teaching these kids to be self-important little assholes who will take themselves too seriously and refer to themselves as "artists"

You sound drunk. Or stupid. Or both.


witty repartee. Sounds like I hit close to home

Why do there have to be rules on making music? As long as the end product is pleasing to the ear, who gives a f**k as to how it was made?

Hetfield: Bored Horde: People who rag on DJ's for making songs by mixing up noise forget that every musician does the same exact thing.

A trumpet player will make a song by playing notes. All trumpet players are using the same notes, but nobody is accusing trumpet players of just aping each other.

No.

Playing music means hitting notes. Making music means creating melodies. Can you not see the difference?


Also, a DJ can make fantastic-sounding stuff by assembling other people's music. However in the end, its still playing around with other people's music and you can't put them on the same pedestal as Miles Davis, for example

HappyHarryHardOn: Also, a DJ can make fantastic-sounding stuff by assembling other people's music. However in the end, its still playing around with other people's music and you can't put them on the same pedestal as Miles Davis, for example

HappyHarryHardOn: witty repartee. Sounds like I hit close to home

Oh, yeah... you got me there.

er this was supposed to be attached to that last post

HappyHarryHardOn: Also, a DJ can make fantastic-sounding stuff by assembling other people's music. However in the end, its still playing around with other people's music and you can't put them on the same pedestal as Miles Davis, for example

I don't doubt that. Sometimes I encounter brilliant remixes of favorite songs, done by very skilled DJ's. It takes talent and creativity to do that.

oh for farks sake


Drew, stop filtering URLs

TempeSun: Why do there have to be rules on making music? As long as the end product is pleasing to the ear, who gives a f**k as to how it was made?

Because...

There's a huge difference between creating music and Jay-Z.

That's why.

And although Mozart was a freak of Nature, he knew his craft back and forth. He knew how to read it and write it on an instinctual basis. He stole the "Miserere" from the Vatican (in his HEAD) as a teen. And when Beethoven visited Mozart when he was just 19 years old, Mozart said, "That's very practiced. Can you do anything else?" Beethoven broke out into an improvisation that made Mozart say, "This young man will consign us to oblivion."

And THAT is music.

ecmoRandomNumbers: There's a huge difference between creating music and Jay-Z.

Oh boy, here we go

ecmoRandomNumbers: TempeSun: Why do there have to be rules on making music? As long as the end product is pleasing to the ear, who gives a f**k as to how it was made?

Because...

There's a huge difference between creating music and Jay-Z.



No there isn't. Unless you're insinuating that rappers with their distinct flow and style, or for that matter any singer is just not cutting it as a musician in your world

How very elitist

ecmoRandomNumbers:

And THAT is music.

Screw you telling me what music is! This is why I hate snobs like you! You have to have rules on everything! I don't know why you cannot appreciate both an artist who plays a 'traditional' instrument, and an artist who uses modern technology. You snobs act like an electronic musician hasn't earned their 'musical' wings. You idiots are either stuck in the past or far more close minded than you realize.

TempeSun: ecmoRandomNumbers:

And THAT is music.

Screw you telling me what music is! This is why I hate snobs like you! You have to have rules on everything! I don't know why you cannot appreciate both an artist who plays a 'traditional' instrument, and an artist who uses modern technology. You snobs act like an electronic musician hasn't earned their 'musical' wings. You idiots are either stuck in the past or far more close minded than you realize.

THIS. There's times for complex and "serious" music, but there's also room and validity for the simplest and stupidest of songs done in the crudest of manners. As a matter of fact, it's the very essence of good rock N roll

That explains the ocean of awful artists making $5 million records.

I couldn't find a list ov albums that have sold over 10 million copies, but Wikipedia has a list they claim has all albums that have sold over 20 million. While it may be incomplete, one thing is clear. There's some total shiat on that list.

/Billy Ray Cyrus?

SharkTrager: I couldn't find a list of albums that have sold over 10 million copies, but Wikipedia (new window) has a list they claim has all albums that have sold over 20 million. While it may be incomplete, one thing is clear. There's some total shiat on that list.

/Billy Ray Cyrus?

Now with linky goodness AND fewer typos!

ecmoRandomNumbers: Remind me what he's been doing for the past 20 years...

It sure wasn't in the pursuit of "art."

I'm sure he's good in his own genre, but let me know when he learns the violin. I have 9-year-old students more talented and creative than him.

I want to hear Moby remix the sounds of a horde of 9 year old violin students sawing away on some tune from their Suzuki method books.

I miss the sound of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star being brutally tortured.

I think I've seen one of these arguments before. :p

ecmoRandomNumbers: Remind me what he's been doing for the past 20 years...

It sure wasn't in the pursuit of "art."

I'm sure he's good in his own genre, but let me know when he learns the violin. I have 9-year-old students more talented and creative than him.

Uh... you do realize he plays several instruments (I believe including the violin), correct?

Nice ecmo, 10/10 on the trollometer

MakazeKeito: Nice ecmo, 10/10 on the trollometer

Nice, 2 out of 2 on the guys who rate other guys posts online because they have nothing to say scale.

Dude, why did you do that? :p Thanks anyway. :)

flaminglip: With all the good music you've recommended to me and everyone else, the least I could do was buy you an internet beer :)

Really? I remember him posting a link to something that sounded like a rock version of Enya, and I was like, "You and me are done, professionally," and he was like, "fark you."