Instant green with an honest headline? On my Fark?

CTurnerJoy: Instant green with an honest headline? On my Fark?

It's more likely than you think.

He's leaned somewhat to the left for a very long time now, why is this news?

While I realize that this is nothing more than a catty name calling attention whore battle.. I still think that insult is damn funny.

Michael said that? Oh, wait.

nekom: He's leaned somewhat to the left for a very long time now, why is this news?

Because the inevitable article about Ron Regan, Jr. issuing an apology to Rush Limbaugh won't make sense with a Followup tag unless we've seen the original.

Hender: Because the inevitable article about Ron Regan, Jr. issuing an apology to Rush Limbaugh

Not gonna happen.

Ron Jr's a good boy, but he's always been kind of out there.

Hey, there is an intelligent Reagan. Cool.

GAT_00: Hey, there is an intelligent Reagan. Cool.

I wish he'd run for office.

GAT_00: Hey, there is an intelligent Reagan. Cool.

Ronald Reagan was VERY smart. He knew how to work a room. He made deficit spending an art-form! Most people in this country think that St. Reagan was the downfall of communism. Communism failed by itself because of human foibles. But he's still a patron saint. Go figure.

People have very short memories.

nekom: He's leaned somewhat to the left for a very long time now, why is this news?

Because it's the son of the patron saint of the Republican party slamming one of the biggest Reagan worshipers on Earth. I'll bet there's going to be an interesting shiatstorm with a few Epic Thread worthy articles in the next few days.

nekom: He's leaned somewhat to the left for a very long time now, why is this news?

Because it highlights just how far the Republican party has fallen. A party that used to stand for freedom, individuality, smaller government and free market capitalism has turned into a paragon of collectivist fearmongering big government intervention into everything from the bedroom to the boardroom.

Limbaugh isn't a 'conservative'. He isn't even Republican. But he's loud and he's rich and he's got the bully pulpit so he gets the print.

ecmoRandomNumbers: GAT_00: Hey, there is an intelligent Reagan. Cool.

Ronald Reagan was VERY smart. He knew how to work a room. He made deficit spending an art-form! Most people in this country think that St. Reagan was the downfall of communism. Communism failed by itself because of human foibles. But he's still a patron saint. Go figure.

People have very short memories.

I don't know if I'd go so far to say VERY smart. He wasn't the idiot that some people like to make him out to be. And he did know how to work an audience.

I read Tear Down This Myth a few months back. Interesting read. I'd recommend it for anyone that wonders how he became the sainted figure that he is today. It certainly doesn't have much to do with reality.

Weaver95: A party that used to stand for freedom, individuality, smaller government and free market capitalism

When was that? Ike?

Well, Limbaugh climbed up there, expect a lot of pushing...

CTurnerJoy: Weaver95: A party that used to stand for freedom, individuality, smaller government and free market capitalism

When was that? Ike?

prior to Nixon.

y'know, in some ways I don't think the Republican party ever really recovered from Nixon.

Define natural....

ecmoRandomNumbers: Ronald Reagan was VERY smart. He knew how to work a room. He made deficit spending an art-form! Most people in this country think that St. Reagan was the downfall of communism. Communism failed by itself because of human foibles. But he's still a patron saint. Go figure.

I will give you that he knew how to work a room. Hell, he's still brainwashing people and he's dead!

cretinbob: Define natural....

Without a visual aid in the form of a young, terrified Dominican boy.

Weaver95: CTurnerJoy: Weaver95: A party that used to stand for freedom, individuality, smaller government and free market capitalism

When was that? Ike?

prior to Nixon.

y'know, in some ways I don't think the Republican party ever really recovered from Nixon.

Reading Nixonland right now. Nixon is part of the reason for the canonization of Reagan, of course.

Decent book. It's as much about the times as it is about Nixon. This might be right up your alley. I see you mention how precarious you think our society is right now. Nixonland is a stark example of what this country can do to itself when people get angry enough.

Of course, that was a time with a war draft and the civil rights movement. I don't see us having anything that aggravating.

CTurnerJoy: ecmoRandomNumbers: GAT_00: Hey, there is an intelligent Reagan. Cool.

Ronald Reagan was VERY smart. He knew how to work a room. He made deficit spending an art-form! Most people in this country think that St. Reagan was the downfall of communism. Communism failed by itself because of human foibles. But he's still a patron saint. Go figure.

People have very short memories.

I don't know if I'd go so far to say VERY smart. He wasn't the idiot that some people like to make him out to be. And he did know how to work an audience.

I read Tear Down This Myth a few months back. Interesting read. I'd recommend it for anyone that wonders how he became the sainted figure that he is today. It certainly doesn't have much to do with reality.

Adding it to my READ list right now. Thanks. :)

CTurnerJoy: I see you mention how precarious you think our society is right now.

the events of 9/11 only accelerated the timetable a bit. we've been heading towards a crash for a couple decades now.

with economic instability staring us in the face, I think the Federal government is going to start looking very closely at citizen behavior. And they will be very intolerant indeed of protests and dissenting opinions.

Weaver95: CTurnerJoy: I see you mention how precarious you think our society is right now.

the events of 9/11 only accelerated the timetable a bit. we've been heading towards a crash for a couple decades now.

with economic instability staring us in the face, I think the Federal government is going to start looking very closely at citizen behavior. And they will be very intolerant indeed of protests and dissenting opinions.

Going to start?

Aarontology: Weaver95: CTurnerJoy: I see you mention how precarious you think our society is right now.

the events of 9/11 only accelerated the timetable a bit. we've been heading towards a crash for a couple decades now.

with economic instability staring us in the face, I think the Federal government is going to start looking very closely at citizen behavior. And they will be very intolerant indeed of protests and dissenting opinions.

Going to start?

we haven't seen anything yet....wait until the FBI dusts off the old COINTELPRO documents and brings them up to date. we've seen hints and whispers of FBI and other government agencies sniffing around various anti-war groups. In some cases, state police have even infiltrated people into those groups. Up until now, they've found nothing. Up until now, there hasn't been anything to find.

But every major city in this country is just 3 days away from a food riot. what happens when food production and distribution begins to break down? A series of riots along the east coast would scare the crap outta this country. maybe scare them enough to support draconian intervention.

Are we that close? maybe. Obama admitted we're broke and out of money. If the government cannot honor it's welfare/unemployment obligations and corporations keep moving jobs out of the country then that might be enough. we'll have to wait and see. I'm just glad I don't live in a major city.

I always knew Limbaugh had a hard on for Nixon.

Weaver95: CTurnerJoy: I see you mention how precarious you think our society is right now.

the events of 9/11 only accelerated the timetable a bit. we've been heading towards a crash for a couple decades now.

with economic instability staring us in the face, I think the Federal government is going to start looking very closely at citizen behavior. And they will be very intolerant indeed of protests and dissenting opinions.

Intolerant to what degree?

I don't see our dissent even approaching what was seen in the 60's. And I don't think it is because the government is going to start throwing people in jail for speaking out.

Of course, I'm not saying there hasn't been an erosion of our rights and privacy. Of course there has. But you're painting a more dire picture than what I think will happen.

I'm curious about that, actually. I've read where you've mentioned once or twice that you are trying to write a book. Is that right? Do you think this effort in imagination colors your view of reality?

Understand, that's not a criticism or a job of any sort. Just my curiosity.

ecmoRandomNumbers: Adding it to my READ list right now. Thanks. :)

You're welcome. Hope you enjoy it.

Is this the conservative Reagan or the liberal one?

CTurnerJoy: I don't see our dissent even approaching what was seen in the 60's. And I don't think it is because the government is going to start throwing people in jail for speaking out.

it's a different society than it was in the 60's. the younger generation has different tools, plus they're smaller than their parents generation. Activism, if and when it happens, will take a different form from the great marches of the 60's. it'll be infowar and hacktivism, not protests and speeches to the masses.

I'd look for government to keep close tabs on anyone who's a locus for communication. instead of an enemies list, we'll have an enemy database. DHA can take it from there. No fly lists, searches, general harrassment. we'll see it escalate from there.

Weaver95: If the government cannot honor it's welfare/unemployment obligations and corporations keep moving jobs out of the country then that might be enough.

maybe scare them enough to support draconian intervention.

I think these two statements are very much tied together. For all the screaming about evil socialism, it's programs like unemployment that have prevented us from sliding into a place where draconian intervention would be an option.

Without programs like unemployment, social security, etc we'd have people starving, homeless, sick, and really, really pissed off at a country that abandoned them. People with nothing left to lose, so why should they not riot/revolt, etc?

Too often, these programs are looked at as being crutches for the lazy at the expense of everyone else, when they should be viewed as a way to keep people from losing absolutely everything and taking it out on society.

Major food riots though... that would simply be terrible for everybody. Since I'm smack in the middle of Boston and New York, right next door to one of the poorest cities in the country, I'd have to retool my Zombie fighting strategy to cover roving bands of hungry outlaws. Though, it's really not much different, is it?

Weaver95: CTurnerJoy: I don't see our dissent even approaching what was seen in the 60's. And I don't think it is because the government is going to start throwing people in jail for speaking out.

it's a different society than it was in the 60's. the younger generation has different tools, plus they're smaller than their parents generation. Activism, if and when it happens, will take a different form from the great marches of the 60's. it'll be infowar and hacktivism, not protests and speeches to the masses.

I'd look for government to keep close tabs on anyone who's a locus for communication. instead of an enemies list, we'll have an enemy database. DHA can take it from there. No fly lists, searches, general harrassment. we'll see it escalate from there.


Interesting idea, the hacktivism. Not sure that I see that being very widespread. But not sure it has to be either.

You have a much more sinister view of things than I do. And I'm pretty cynical. Sure you're not just entertaining yourself?

Ah, Ron Jr. Walking proof that genetics can only do so much to help a person.

Poor Ron. Always his father's son, never his own man.

The late president's son Ron -- now a Democratic voter who hosts a show on the liberal Air America radio network

The conservatives are collapsing on themselves. Oh wait.

CTurnerJoy: You have a much more sinister view of things than I do. And I'm pretty cynical. Sure you're not just entertaining yourself?

Read up on what the FBI and CIA were doing back in the 60's, then look at the technology we've got today. Ask yourself what you'd do if you were an amoral son of a biatch with limitless wiretap authority, no Congressional oversight and a mandate to 'protect the country'.

Aarontology: I think these two statements are very much tied together. For all the screaming about evil socialism, it's programs like unemployment that have prevented us from sliding into a place where draconian intervention would be an option.

As much as I despise welfare and what it does to people, we can't just yank the rug out from under people. The job market these days is horrible, and with companies shedding jobs every day and moving production facilities out of the country soon as they can, I don't see things getting any better any time soon. If people who live by the rules can't make enough to feed themselves and their families AND keep a roof over their heads...then we've farked up. And if we take away their jobs, forclose on their house and jack their taxes up to bailout wall street - eventually, something is gonna snap. Desperate people who believe they've been victimized and have no legal recourse to address their injustices are gonna stop obeying the laws of the system that screwed them over.

Hender: nekom: He's leaned somewhat to the left for a very long time now, why is this news?

Because the inevitable article about Ron Regan, Jr. issuing an apology to Rush Limbaugh won't make sense with a Followup tag unless we've seen the original.

What the apology will look like:




/hotter than Rush's dominican boys friction burnt hands

Aarontology: cretinbob: Define natural....

Without a visual aid in the form of a young, terrified Dominican boy.

You sir own my a new keyboard.

CTurnerJoy: I read Tear Down This Myth a few months back. Interesting read. I'd recommend it for anyone that wonders how he became the sainted figure that he is today. It certainly doesn't have much to do with reality.

What in politics actually has anything to do with reality?

Where is the bouncing rush image?

Hender: Because the inevitable article about Ron Regan, Jr. issuing an apology to Rush Limbaugh won't make sense with a Followup tag unless we've seen the original.

There's about as much of a chance of Reagan JR. apologizing, as Ann Coulter apologizing to John Edwards for calling him a fag.

Scerpes: CTurnerJoy: I read Tear Down This Myth a few months back. Interesting read. I'd recommend it for anyone that wonders how he became the sainted figure that he is today. It certainly doesn't have much to do with reality.

What in politics actually has anything to do with reality?

I'd like to think it has at least a passing acquaintance. But I do get your point.

Weaver95: As much as I despise welfare and what it does to people, we can't just yank the rug out from under people. The job market these days is horrible, and with companies shedding jobs every day and moving production facilities out of the country soon as they can, I don't see things getting any better any time soon. If people who live by the rules can't make enough to feed themselves and their families AND keep a roof over their heads...then we've farked up. And if we take away their jobs, forclose on their house and jack their taxes up to bailout wall street - eventually, something is gonna snap. Desperate people who believe they've been victimized and have no legal recourse to address their injustices are gonna stop obeying the laws of the system that screwed them over.

Exactly. A friend of mine is a boat mechanic, but since the economy went and shat itself, his company hasn't had a whole lot of work to do, so they had to lay him off. He's applied for something like 15 jobs, but nobody has hired him yet. He hasn't been only applying for good jobs either; janitorial, stocking at grocery stores, are some of what he's tried to do but no luck.

His fiancee has a decently paying job, but between his medical bills sustained from a shoulder injury, her student loans, and other expenses, without the unemployment he gets, they wouldn't be able to make it.

He's not trying to leech of the system, he just wants a damn job but can't find one.

Meanwhile, I have a coworker who is blatantly taking advantage of the FMLA to get out of work for a couple of months. Our company is outsourcing my section, and a lot of people are going to be out of work. These people could easily and happily take her job. Luckily I was able to get a job in her department which for now is safe from outsourcing but I have to take a 10% paycut in order to keep my job due to the wage freeze. Meanwhile, the company is constantly hiring new people at the top who will be making at least ten times what I do.

It's infuriating to say the least.

Ronald Reagan's son is also a douche bag who used the occasion of his fathers funeral to be political. What's your point?

While I do abhor the man Limbaugh, erection attacks are a bit below people trying to build credibility with an electorate.

Funny none-the-less

CTurnerJoy: Scerpes: CTurnerJoy: I read Tear Down This Myth a few months back. Interesting read. I'd recommend it for anyone that wonders how he became the sainted figure that he is today. It certainly doesn't have much to do with reality.

What in politics actually has anything to do with reality?

I'd like to think it has at least a passing acquaintance. But I do get your point.

I wish it had a passing acquaintance...but, politics is, by its very nature, about deceiving people to get what you want.

Weaver95: CTurnerJoy: You have a much more sinister view of things than I do. And I'm pretty cynical. Sure you're not just entertaining yourself?

Read up on what the FBI and CIA were doing back in the 60's, then look at the technology we've got today. Ask yourself what you'd do if you were an amoral son of a biatch with limitless wiretap authority, no Congressional oversight and a mandate to 'protect the country'.

And yet I still can't get LSD through my computer. Lazy sons-o'-b*tches!

Weaver95

y'know, in some ways I don't think the Republican party ever really recovered from Nixon

Nixon begat Ford which begat Cheney and Rumsfeld. And we're still recovering from that as a nation, let alone a party.

Scerpes: CTurnerJoy: Scerpes: CTurnerJoy: I read Tear Down This Myth a few months back. Interesting read. I'd recommend it for anyone that wonders how he became the sainted figure that he is today. It certainly doesn't have much to do with reality.

What in politics actually has anything to do with reality?

I'd like to think it has at least a passing acquaintance. But I do get your point.

I wish it had a passing acquaintance...but, politics is, by its very nature, about deceiving people to get what you want.

Well, it can be, but I don't agree that it is by nature that way.

How did I get to be the least cynical one in here today?