The Wealthy (Michael Eatsalot Moore) decided he did not have enough wealth and wanted more. Hence, he has developed another waste of good celluloid and created another steaming pile, in a brazen attempt to rob from the American people. Multi-millionaire Moore needs more (money) and he hopes you will blindly give.

HAHA! Cuz he's fat!

chestermania: The Wealthy (Michael Eatsalot Moore) decided he did not have enough wealth and wanted more. Hence, he has developed another waste of good celluloid and created another steaming pile, in a brazen attempt to rob from the American people. Multi-millionaire Moore needs more (money) and he hopes you will blindly give.

Or...he's a film-maker. He likes making films.

You've never even seen any of his films.

chestermania: The Wealthy (Michael Eatsalot Moore) decided he did not have enough wealth and wanted more. Hence, he has developed another waste of good celluloid and created another steaming pile, in a brazen attempt to rob from the American people. Multi-millionaire Moore needs more (money) and he hopes you will blindly give.

right. because it's not like his work actually employs people, fills seats with paying customers, or has any other economic impact.

/did I just feed the troll?

Has GM started selling crack yet?

The greedy bankers tricked us into getting houses we couldn't afford so they could get rich from us not being able to pay!

chestermania: The Wealthy (Michael Eatsalot Moore) decided he did not have enough wealth and wanted more. Hence, he has developed another waste of good celluloid and created another steaming pile, in a brazen attempt to rob from the American people. Multi-millionaire Moore needs more (money) and he hopes you will blindly give.

This. And he's the only one doing this. Everyone else uses their riches for the greater good.

chestermania: The Wealthy (Michael Eatsalot Moore) decided he did not have enough wealth and wanted more. Hence, he has developed another waste of good celluloid and created another steaming pile, in a brazen attempt to rob from the American people. Multi-millionaire Moore needs more (money) and he hopes you will blindly give.

Who still uses celluloid? Are you 103 years old or something?

badhatharry: The greedy bankers tricked us into getting houses we couldn't afford so they could get rich from us not being able to pay!

Nope...corporate America decided not to allow wages to keep pace with the cost of living. We knuckleheads didn't do everything we could to demand reasonable cost of living raises.

The banks concurrently made credit too readily available, so we lazy Americans decided to put everything on credit, refinance to pay down debt, rinse then repeat, instead of demanding that wages keep pace with the cost of living.

Corporate America is now paying for it's past transgressions.

FTFA "He won an Academy Award in 2003 for his gun-control study "Bowling for Columbine,"

That film was so full of inaccuracies and spin, and it's a study?

Isn't he a multi-millionaire?

Michael Moore is to Documentaries what Bill O'Reilly* is to Political Talk Shows.

/*Keith Olbermann, depending on your preference

I am a fan of Michael Moore, but I will be honest I haven't seen any of his documentaries since Bowling for Columbine, because I just get so pissed at the stupidity of people and the people who let them act that way.

So I think I will be missing this documentary, because I know it will just put me a bad mood for months after seeing it.

I predict a bunch of "financial types" that are going to be very vocal in the condemnation of the film. Then when push comes to shove and they are going to be given the chance to discuss things in an open forum (Such as the Larry King show, the same thing will happen that happened with the doctor Gupta.

Moore will destroy them. Say what you want about him, but he appears to use classical tactics in debate. He gives you a bit of rope and watches you hang yourself.

Catran: I am a fan of Michael Moore

Generally, I prefer to be manipulated by fiction. You choose Moore.

Beerguy: badhatharry: The greedy bankers tricked us into getting houses we couldn't afford so they could get rich from us not being able to pay!

Nope...corporate America decided not to allow wages to keep pace with the cost of living. We knuckleheads didn't do everything we could to demand reasonable cost of living raises.

The banks concurrently made credit too readily available, so we lazy Americans decided to put everything on credit, refinance to pay down debt, rinse then repeat, instead of demanding that wages keep pace with the cost of living.

Corporate America is now paying for it's past transgressions.

Way to simultaneously accept the blame and shift it.

"Waaaaah!!! I couldn't help it! I needed the house! Don't blame me just 'cause I couldn't afford it! Corporate America won't give me a living wage! Booo hooo hooo!!!"

STFU and DIAF, cry baby.

gundar.twinklefluffy: Moore will destroy them. Say what you want about him, but he appears to use classical tactics in debate. He gives you a bit of rope and watches you hang yourself.

that's crap. He'll film them, and then, without any context, pretend he's exposing them.

He's a wonderful propagandist.

And I'll tell you something else, you whining, sniveling losers who are sobbing that "greedy lenders" preyed on you: I may be dirt poor, but at least I don't do stupid things like BORROW MONEY I CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY BACK!! YOU ASSHOLES!!!! YOU STUPID, IDIOTIC, MORONIC, WHINING, SNIVELING, RETARDS!!!!!

Unshavenhelga: gundar.twinklefluffy: Moore will destroy them. Say what you want about him, but he appears to use classical tactics in debate. He gives you a bit of rope and watches you hang yourself.

that's crap. He'll film them, and then, without any context, pretend he's exposing them.

He's a wonderful propagandist.

Yes that is exactly what he did on the Larry King Show.

You do not debate in a documentary sunshine. You make the movie people challenge you and then the fun begins.

gundar.twinklefluffy:

Moore will destroy them. Say what you want about him, but he appears to use classical tactics in debate. He gives you a bit of rope and watches you hang yourself.

Which is why he's known for twisting words, misrepresenting statements, and generally leading people on so he can take things out of context?

DeathByGeekSquad: gundar.twinklefluffy:

Moore will destroy them. Say what you want about him, but he appears to use classical tactics in debate. He gives you a bit of rope and watches you hang yourself.

Which is why he's known for twisting words, misrepresenting statements, and generally leading people on so he can take things out of context?

That's a whole bunch of Preview fail right there. Second portion is mine.

Moore does more damage to his causes then good, so I hope he continues making movies for years to come. When someone fails, it is far more entertaining to see them do so on the public stage. Unless he really is in it just for the money, in which case he is a slightly more highbrow Sasha Baron Cohen.

/wishes Moore and Limbaugh would be in a deathmatch, winner gets to eat the loser.

I'm sure that Moore's film will be a thorough and even-handed account of what is a complex issue involving a myriad of actors and the convergence of seemingly unrelated events.

Right?

Unshavenhelga: That film was so full of inaccuracies and spin, and it's a study?

[citation needed]

"Study" is a good term for Moore's films, as they're not documentaries. They're more liked filmed essays. In an essay, you take a thesis and argue for or against it. That's what he does in his films.

Unshavenhelga: Isn't he a multi-millionaire?

He's worth a couple million, which puts him in the top five percent. But he's actually worth a lot less than the the sort of people who got us into this mess paid for their New York apartments

Unshavenhelga: He's a wonderful propagandist.

He's a shiatty propagandist; if he was good at it, you wouldn't even notice he was doing it.

DeathByGeekSquad: That's a whole bunch of Preview fail right there. Second portion is mine.

Happens to all of us, I let the occasional typo slip by myself.

Beerguy: Nope...corporate America decided not to allow wages to keep pace with the cost of living. We knuckleheads didn't do everything we could to demand reasonable cost of living raises.

The banks concurrently made credit too readily available, so we lazy Americans decided to put everything on credit, refinance to pay down debt, rinse then repeat, instead of demanding that wages keep pace with the cost of living.

Corporate America is now paying for it's past transgressions.

Wow. That is some stupid shiat there. You have absolutely no idea what caused the economic crisis. I wouldn't be surprised if you were working on Moore's new movie. No doubt that is will be complete garbage.

Arnold T Pants: Wow. That is some stupid shiat there. You have absolutely no idea what caused the economic crisis. I wouldn't be surprised if you were working on Moore's new movie. No doubt that is will be complete garbage.

let me guess, you're one of those guys who blames it all on Barney Frank.

Arnold T Pants: Beerguy: Nope...corporate America decided not to allow wages to keep pace with the cost of living. We knuckleheads didn't do everything we could to demand reasonable cost of living raises.

The banks concurrently made credit too readily available, so we lazy Americans decided to put everything on credit, refinance to pay down debt, rinse then repeat, instead of demanding that wages keep pace with the cost of living.

Corporate America is now paying for it's past transgressions.

Wow. That is some stupid shiat there. You have absolutely no idea what caused the economic crisis. I wouldn't be surprised if you were working on Moore's new movie. No doubt that is will be complete garbage.

Oh, please inform us how this is an erroneous assessment of the situation, because it is actually pretty damn accurate.

Please tell us what did cause the economic crisis, pretty please.

I enjoyed Sicko, but Bowling for Colombine was complete and utter cocksucking bullshiat.

ochobit: cocksucking bullshiat.

GG filter

iaazathot: "please tell us what did cause the economics crisis, pretty please"

A Cliffs' Notes version:
1) a concerted effort under numerous administrations to bolster home ownership, also pushed by Congress and the GSEs (particularly Fannie Mae, under the stewardship of Raines and Mudd), which extended credit to individuals previously deemed unworthy of credit
2) Congressional refusal to listen of OFHEO when they highlighted problems at Fannie and Freddie back in 2006
3) A misunderstanding of the true risk of securitized mortgages by financial industry folks, including the aforementioned Raines (who testified before Congress that a mortgage on a one or two bedroom house was virtually riskless)
4) The creation of instruments (derivatives) whose ramifications were not entirely understood by regulators or individual in the financial and insurance industries, and which also allowed individuals to take out "insurance" on property and transactions on which they had no insurance interest
5) A Fed policy of cheap money which increased demand and lead individuals to borrow too much and institutions to over-leverage themselves
6) Schumer's beginning a run on Indy Mac by going public
7) Election year uncertainty and general uncertainty propagated in part by the press and other elected officials
8) Consumer fear, also fed by the press and the government

There are also some others, but those are a good place to start.

Dwight_Yeast: Arnold T Pants: Wow. That is some stupid shiat there. You have absolutely no idea what caused the economic crisis. I wouldn't be surprised if you were working on Moore's new movie. No doubt that is will be complete garbage.

let me guess, you're one of those guys who blames it all on Barney Frank.

Let me guess, you're one of those guys who blames it on the free market when WE HAVEN'T HAD A FREE MARKET IN OVER A CENTURY AND A HALF, YOU ASSHOLE?!?!

ochobit: I enjoyed Sicko

I'd move to France if it wasn't full of french people.

Mr. Jarndyce: iaazathot: "please tell us what did cause the economics crisis, pretty please"

A Cliffs' Notes version:
1) a concerted effort under numerous administrations to bolster home ownership, also pushed by Congress and the GSEs (particularly Fannie Mae, under the stewardship of Raines and Mudd), which extended credit to individuals previously deemed unworthy of credit
2) Congressional refusal to listen of OFHEO when they highlighted problems at Fannie and Freddie back in 2006
3) A misunderstanding of the true risk of securitized mortgages by financial industry folks, including the aforementioned Raines (who testified before Congress that a mortgage on a one or two bedroom house was virtually riskless)
4) The creation of instruments (derivatives) whose ramifications were not entirely understood by regulators or individual in the financial and insurance industries, and which also allowed individuals to take out "insurance" on property and transactions on which they had no insurance interest
5) A Fed policy of cheap money which increased demand and lead individuals to borrow too much and institutions to over-leverage themselves
6) Schumer's beginning a run on Indy Mac by going public
7) Election year uncertainty and general uncertainty propagated in part by the press and other elected officials
8) Consumer fear, also fed by the press and the government

There are also some others, but those are a good place to start.

Can I get a dummies version? durrr dur dur

WhileAmericaBurns: Dwight_Yeast: Arnold T Pants: Wow. That is some stupid shiat there. You have absolutely no idea what caused the economic crisis. I wouldn't be surprised if you were working on Moore's new movie. No doubt that is will be complete garbage.

let me guess, you're one of those guys who blames it all on Barney Frank.

Let me guess, you're one of those guys who blames it on the free market when WE HAVEN'T HAD A FREE MARKET IN OVER A CENTURY AND A HALF, YOU ASSHOLE?!?!

I would put some of the blame on deregulation, because that is part of the problem. Freeper cock suckers like you should be the last to want a truly free market. You would get eaten alive inside of a few months. You have no farking idea what such an environment would be like, but you fantasize that somehow you would be on top of it.

The truth is that you and yours would be nothing better than indentured servants in such a world. So, STFU about stuff you can't comprehend and go back to beating your wife and kids.

Mr_Ectomy: Mr. Jarndyce: iaazathot: "please tell us what did cause the economics crisis, pretty please"

A Cliffs' Notes version:
1) a concerted effort under numerous administrations to bolster home ownership, also pushed by Congress and the GSEs (particularly Fannie Mae, under the stewardship of Raines and Mudd), which extended credit to individuals previously deemed unworthy of credit
2) Congressional refusal to listen of OFHEO when they highlighted problems at Fannie and Freddie back in 2006
3) A misunderstanding of the true risk of securitized mortgages by financial industry folks, including the aforementioned Raines (who testified before Congress that a mortgage on a one or two bedroom house was virtually riskless)
4) The creation of instruments (derivatives) whose ramifications were not entirely understood by regulators or individual in the financial and insurance industries, and which also allowed individuals to take out "insurance" on property and transactions on which they had no insurance interest
5) A Fed policy of cheap money which increased demand and lead individuals to borrow too much and institutions to over-leverage themselves
6) Schumer's beginning a run on Indy Mac by going public
7) Election year uncertainty and general uncertainty propagated in part by the press and other elected officials
8) Consumer fear, also fed by the press and the government

There are also some others, but those are a good place to start.

Can I get a dummies version? durrr dur dur

Most of that list I can buy and is indeed part of the problem. However, the fact is that very few of the mortgages backed by FM squared were of the type that led to the crisis. Nor were the policies of the CRA to blame either, but the inclusion of them is necessary for certain political agents to place blame in the past.

Your list paints business as unwitting pawns to me, and frankly they were the drivers of this bus a lot more than politicians were. I don't buy the pleading ignorance argument.

I just jerked off in a libtards salad
/Old Yahoo MB meme

WhileAmericaBurns: Let me guess, you're one of those guys who blames it on the free market when WE HAVEN'T HAD A FREE MARKET IN OVER A CENTURY AND A HALF, YOU ASSHOLE?!?!

No, but I would blame the roll-back of the banking laws. shiat like t his didn't happen between 1929 and now for some very good reasons.

And I'm not only well-aware that we haven't had a truly free market since the 1880's, I'm really happy about it. Until the New York bankers started regulating and controlling the banks and the flow of money after the 1892 Panic, this country had a regular series of crippling booms and busts.

When comes to finance and financial institutions a free market is the most dangerous thing imaginable. Smart bankers (like JP Morgan) have always known this. Modern bankers? Not so smart.

gundar.twinklefluffy: I predict a bunch of "financial types" that are going to be very vocal in the condemnation of the film. Then when push comes to shove and they are going to be given the chance to discuss things in an open forum (Such as the Larry King show, the same thing will happen that happened with the doctor Gupta.

Moore will destroy them. Say what you want about him, but he appears to use classical tactics in debate. He gives you a bit of rope and watches you hang yourself.

You're kidding, right?

People can make movies about anything they like, and call them whatever they want. It's a free country.

Oliver Stone pretends he's an unbiased filmmaker, IIRC.

iaazathot: Mr_Ectomy: Mr. Jarndyce: iaazathot: Your list paints business as unwitting pawns to me, and frankly they were the drivers of this bus a lot more than politicians were. I don't buy the pleading ignorance argument.

I don't mean to absolve the private sector; but I don't think that it's culpable in the way that many have made it out to be, either. Obviously they engaged in imprudent practices, including not keeping sufficient capital on hand coupled with too many risky loans and other transactions. Some of that is certainly motivated by the quest for ever-increasing profits by assuming as much risk as they thought they could handle in order to reap the best returns. However, it's probably as much a modeling problem as it is a function of "corporate greed". They obviously miscalculated how much risk they could handle, and I think a large part of that was an inability to accurately comprehend the degree of risk associated with the securitized mortgages, derivative, etc., as I mentioned before. Other explanations just don't make much sense; the individuals working at these institutions obviously want to make a buck today, but they also have a long-term interest in the performance of the institution? Why would one knowingly engage in behavior that doomed one's place of employment to failure? They were pushing the envelope and they went too far, but not out of malfeasance.

And I do think the politicians are just as much to blame. The injection of social policy into financial lending, as well as accounting changes (mark to market) of the post-Enron period that wiped out huge amounts of wealth in a short period of time, and their dismissal of OFHEO's testimony make them culpable. I mean really, we lambast private corporations and citizens for spending money they don't have through borrowing, and yet we have a central government that is addicted to spending money it doesn't have, and now has engaged in the very same behavior which landed us in this mess in a fit of hyper-Keynesianism.

There's no one sector that's to blame; they're all to blame.

"Overture said Moore was still working on the film, and was keeping plot details close to his vest in typical fashion."

Oh, yeah, it's a real cliff-hanger, waiting to see what angle Moore will take with this one. Christ, I could write the review now. I would hate Moore except for one thing; I gotta admire a guy who's make a buttload of cash pretending to rail against wealth. Wish I'd thought of it first, like The Clapper.

Remove all Republicans:

Bush deregulated the market to help his friends and we had another recession.

Naw, that's just the facile and uninformed version.

Catran: I am a fan of Michael Moore, but I will be honest I haven't seen any of his documentaries since Bowling for Columbine


That movie is a farking joke.

The only good Michael Moore movie: Canadian Bacon.

ManhattanRedneck: The only good Michael Moore movie: Canadian Bacon.

Another movie that is nowhere near the truth.

Remove all Republicans: Mr. Jarndyce: Remove all Republicans:

Bush deregulated the market to help his friends and we had another recession.

Naw, that's just the facile and uninformed version.

Yeah, sorry, it was Cheney behind the whole thing.

Ah yes, the omnipotent and omnipresent Cheney. Is there anything the man couldn't do? Obviously everything bad that's ever happened in the last 8 years is his fault, and he single-handedly sent the world into an economic downturn.

Mr. Jarndyce: Obviously everything bad that's ever happened in the last 8 years is his fault, and he single-handedly sent the world into an economic downturn.

I'm glad we agree :P

Unaware Moore had so many Moore whores. Calm down simple minded, your Moore Overlord will feed you on how the banks held guns to your heads and made you borrow more than you could actually repay.

He just stirs the pot and you actually think he has some valid point to make?

Mr_Ectomy:

I'm glad we agree :P

Absolutely. Much like Santa Claus, Cheney can circumnavigate the globe in a single day, wreaking havoc from his Hummer-styled sled pulled by a pack of hell-hounds, who are fed on the flesh of small children and union members.

chestermania: He just stirs the pot and you actually think he has some valid point to make?

Unless Moore's planning on making the next "Star Trek" movie, I really don't see myself spending money on his work. Money's tight right now. Gasoline's going back up and the unemployment checks don't go as far as they used to.