Maybe they're so nonconformist, they're not going to conform to you.



/Goth-served!

Oh, come on, they were never punk to beging with.

I still say that while touring with Nofx at the Vans Warped Tour, Green Day stole their idea for "American Idiot" from Nofx's "Franco Un-American." But the only proof I have is in the numbers;

NOFX
The War on Errorism
US release date: 6 May 2003

Green Day
American Idiot
US release date: 21 September 2004

Thank you Wal-Mart, for protecting the American populace from "Suggestive" Lyrical content of band of mid-30 somethings, while allowing us to purchase such wholesome movies as Saw, Psycho, Prom Night, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Halloween, Hostel, My Bloody Valentine, Friday the 13th, Child's Play, Carrie, Sweeney Todd, The Ring, and the High School Musical series.

I don't think they're as bad as Creed or anything, but on the whole, Green Day sucks.

Thank you Wal-Mart for killing the local record store.

Uh... (new window)

/just sayin
//wal-mart must die

When was the last time Green Day actually claimed to carry the mantle for "true anti-establishment punk rock" if ever?

Get over yourselves you cretins who complain. Green Day is not making music for you to STFU and GBTW.

I would say "Who the fark shops at Wal Mart anyways?"

But then I think of all those people in Buttfark, Nebraska and Spitoon City, Arkansas who don't have independent record stores and Wal Mart really is the only game in town.

this "punk rocker" agrees

Green Day suck. Have ever since Nimrod.

I buy all my porn at Wal-mart, which may be why I'm impotent.

Nah, it works...you just have to shop in the women's section instead of the little girls...

I love the one's here that sell shotgun shells and other ammunition, but wont sell a cd with a black man cursing.

PumpUpDaFark: Thank you Wal-Mart for killing the local record store.

If anything, this policy would drive people to the local record store.

I guess Wal-Mart's policy really struck 2 or 3 chords with Green Day.

PumpUpDaFark: Thank you Wal-Mart for killing the local record store.

Record Stores in Chicago (new window)

Wal Marts in Chicago (new window)

Just as an example, and obviously not the case everywhere. Besides, if Wal Mart is so picky about what they'll sell, who the fark cares what they're selling? It's Wal Mart, and I know they don't carry anything I want. If you can't find your music somewhere else, you probably should try.

Jeeb: I love the one's here that sell shotgun shells and other ammunition, but wont sell a cd with a black man cursing.

They sell those to us hill folks to shoot cursing black men.

I bought the latest Green Disc at a farking Target store. And I listen to better music than at least 90% of you. It's a proven fact.

NP: ironically, the Pistols' "EMI" just shuffled up

Treygreen13: I guess Wal-Mart's policy really struck 2 or 3 chords with Green Day.

Real punkers everwhere are ripping their own ears off.

/Green Day Bloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooows!
//Not punk
///Never will be

Green Day are a excellent rock band with massive hooks. The fact that adherents of the "true punk" ethos despise them tells me they must be doing something right.

Nothing more pretentious than a humorless punk fan.

The album's okay, on average. It veers wildly from awesome to "The Flame" level of awful.

Seriously, why on earth does he write slow songs? They're at their best when they play slyly crude pop songs, dammit.

sleeping martyr: Thank you Wal-Mart, for protecting the American populace from "Suggestive" Lyrical content of band of mid-30 somethings, while allowing us to purchase such wholesome movies as Saw, Psycho, Prom Night, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Halloween, Hostel, My Bloody Valentine, Friday the 13th, Child's Play, Carrie, Sweeney Todd, The Ring, and the High School Musical series.

This. Especially the last one.

vernonFL: I would say "Who the fark shops at Wal Mart anyways?"

But then I think of all those people in Buttfark, Nebraska and Spitoon City, Arkansas who don't have independent record stores and Wal Mart really is the only game in town.

It's all about the money. If you want to buy your music in Toronto, you can go to an independent record store or you can go to an HMV or Wal-Mart and get it for a few bucks less.

Scott the Twat: Nothing more pretentious than a humorless punk fan.

Only difference between a punk hipster and a club hipster is income.

Mr_Fabulous: I bought the latest Green Disc at a farking Target store. And I listen to better music than at least 90% of you. It's a proven fact.

NP: ironically, the Pistols' "EMI" just shuffled up

hate to break it to you, but the Sex Pistols are the worst "punk" band ever. they're a boy band.

So basically Green Day makes an album they know violates Wal-Mart's conditions for sale, Wal-Mart, under no obligation to, offers them the chance to meet those conditions, and Green Days screams censorship? Who's the real American Idiot here?

LegLamp: If anything, this policy would drive people to the local record store.

Which is conveniently located in 1993.

But guitarist Mike Dirnt said: "As the biggest record store in the America, they should probably have an obligation to sell people the correct art."

Ah, ya see, Mike Dirnt, that is where you're wrong.

Ya know what's punk, posting on a messageboard about the punkness of Green Day

Gravyguts: Mr_Fabulous: I bought the latest Green Disc at a farking Target store. And I listen to better music than at least 90% of you. It's a proven fact.

NP: ironically, the Pistols' "EMI" just shuffled up

hate to break it to you, but the Sex Pistols are the worst "punk" band ever. they're a boy band.

Hate to break it to you, but you don't know what you're talking about.

so when will the idiot masses of fark learn the difference between pop punk and core?

djgrundel: so when will the idiot masses of fark learn the difference between pop punk and core?

When it matters. At all.

bighairyguy: So basically Green Day makes an album they know violates Wal-Mart's conditions for sale, Wal-Mart, under no obligation to, offers them the chance to meet those conditions, and Green Days screams censorship? Who's the real American Idiot here?

that's you. that is censorship by definition. but i'll give you credit for falling victim to irony while at the same time apparently understanding irony.

Treygreen13: djgrundel: so when will the idiot masses of fark learn the difference between pop punk and core?

When it matters. At all.

if you think you have an opinion on it, it should matter. otherwise you're just standing around with stupid falling from your mouth.

djgrundel: bighairyguy: So basically Green Day makes an album they know violates Wal-Mart's conditions for sale, Wal-Mart, under no obligation to, offers them the chance to meet those conditions, and Green Days screams censorship? Who's the real American Idiot here?

that's you. that is censorship by definition. but i'll give you credit for falling victim to irony while at the same time apparently understanding irony.

If Wal-Mart said that Green Day may not play or write their songs, that would be censorship.

Retailers refusing to stock a product they do not want to carry is not censorship, regardless of how big they are.

You simply don't understand censorship.

djgrundel: bighairyguy: So basically Green Day makes an album they know violates Wal-Mart's conditions for sale, Wal-Mart, under no obligation to, offers them the chance to meet those conditions, and Green Days screams censorship? Who's the real American Idiot here?

that's you. that is censorship by definition. but i'll give you credit for falling victim to irony while at the same time apparently understanding irony.

So Green Day, being so outraged by this, are going to refuse to sell their CD's at WalMart?? Probably not. Actually they probably don't have any say in the matter at all.

Treygreen13: Retailers refusing to stock a product they do not want to carry is not censorship, regardless of how big they are.

Um...yes, yes it is. Just because they cannot enforce it beyond the walls of their own stores does not mean it's not censorship.

It is, by definition, censorship. You're wrong (^).

devilskware: So Green Day, being so outraged by this, are going to refuse to sell their CD's at WalMart?? Probably not.

RTFA

djgrundel: so when will the idiot masses of fark learn the difference between pop punk and core?

All punk is pop.

Let's put this another way Treygreen13. Wal-mart is saying they will only carry albums if the artists remove language from them that is found to be objectionable.

Here's the definition of censorship: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable ; also : to suppress or delete as objectionable

sleeping martyr: Thank you Wal-Mart, for protecting the American populace from "Suggestive" Lyrical content of band of mid-30 somethings, while allowing us to purchase such wholesome movies as Saw, Psycho, Prom Night, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Halloween, Hostel, My Bloody Valentine, Friday the 13th, Child's Play, Carrie, Sweeney Todd, The Ring, and the High School Musical series.

Wal mart censors everything, I used to have a 2nd job filling orders for their distribution warehouse, it was called something like walker distribution or something like that, they just suck.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Treygreen13: Retailers refusing to stock a product they do not want to carry is not censorship, regardless of how big they are.

Um...yes, yes it is. Just because they cannot enforce it beyond the walls of their own stores does not mean it's not censorship.

It is, by definition, censorship. You're wrong (^).

I wouldnt be that strong, its more protectionist than censorship and is why I avoid wal mart like the plague, fark them if theres a target within 10 miles I will just go there.

You know, this probably won't matter as much as you might think. A whole three years ago, I was on a trip with 11 of my fellow college students, and they were AMAZED to find that I still carried plastic CDs and listened to a portable CD player instead of an MP3 player. They went through my collection with fascination like I was carrying around antiques or something.

Factor in three years' worth of people (including myself) switching to MP3s and the fact that it's almost always cheaper to buy from iTunes/Amazon/wherever than to buy the physical CD (not to mention those that don't pay for their music at all), and Wal-Mart's music department matters a lot less.

Scott the Twat: All punk is pop.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Let's put this another way Treygreen13. Wal-mart is saying they will only carry albums if the artists remove language from them that is found to be objectionable.

Here's the definition of censorship: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable ; also : to suppress or delete as objectionable

I know you think you're right, but you're not.

If Wal-Mart took Green Day's album, removed the cursing, and then sold it, it would be censorship.

If Wal-Mart told Green Day that they wouldn't allow them to perform the material because it was objectionable, then it would be censorship.

If it makes you feel better, you can go to Wal-Mart.com and buy the uncensored version. They simply don't stock the unedited versions in store because it's their choice as a retailer.

People don't have a right to have their product sold at Wal-Mart. I understand how you feel on the issue, and know you probably think you're right, but you're not.

Treygreen13: People don't have a right to have their product sold at Wal-Mart. I understand how you feel on the issue, and know you probably think you're right, but you're not.

Oh hes not going to like that at all, expect a 3 paragraph diatribe in retort.

dickkead: Scott the Twat: All punk is pop.


No hes right, all punk is pop today. The stooges would have kicked all these guys asses.

steamingpile: Treygreen13: People don't have a right to have their product sold at Wal-Mart. I understand how you feel on the issue, and know you probably think you're right, but you're not.

Oh hes not going to like that at all, expect a 3 paragraph diatribe in retort.

dickkead: Scott the Twat: All punk is pop.


No hes right, all punk is pop today. The stooges would have kicked all these guys asses.

Meh, if he wants to, he can. He's already demonstrated a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept of censorship, and I don't expect anything correct to come from him anymore.

If he really wants to discuss the theories behind regulation, censorship, and chilling effects, he should take a class about it or something.

dickkead:

I'm a troll? Please. You know punk was a reaction to overproduced, self-indulgent rock of the 70's. Tell me Joey Ramone's melodies wouldn't have been at home on any pop record from the 1960's. The fact that bands like The Ramones or The Misfits sped up the tempos and turned up the guitars doesn't make their tunes any less pop.

So I should've been clearer: all good punk is pop.

But punks with an ax to grind think "pop" means Britney Spears.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Let's put this another way Treygreen13. Wal-mart is saying they will only carry albums if the artists remove language from them that is found to be objectionable.

Here's the definition of censorship: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable ; also : to suppress or delete as objectionable

That's not the pure issue here though. Wal-Mart would like to sell their product and laid out the terms. Had Green Day just said no and walked away, that's fine. However, they chose to throw a little tantrum instead. I like Green Day, when there sing. Talking, not so much.