/does not approve

Yes we have no bananas, we have no bananas today.

Get one of these. Problem solved.

That's fine, they'll just be able to change trains at the station.

Solty Dog: Get one of these. Problem solved.

Maybe combined with this:

I saw an example of this at the Middle East II school house at the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, California. They had a construction crew refurbish the latrines in the second and third floors of the building which included adding wheel-chair accessible stalls and angled mirrors for people sitting in wheel-chairs. Only problem was that there were no elevators or ramps up to the second and third floors.

Military Intelligence at its finest.

Cripples shouldn't be riding trains anyway.

Solty Dog: Get one of these. Problem solved.

xuanzhiyouxuan: Solty Dog: Get one of these. Problem solved.

Maybe combined with this:




This guy is waaaaaay ahead of you two....

Actually, coming from a project management perspective, I can see why they'd put in the ramps at all stations now.

That way, they don't have to go back and revisit the "boarding ramp" project each time another station gets more accessibility features. It's not like it would cost them more to do all the stations now, than to do them later once lifts or ramps to the main station floors get put in.

You just do all of one type of feature now, so you know it's done, and that eventually it'll work once other, more expensive accessibility options are put in (ramps, elevators, etc).

So? They've equipped the rest of the station, this problem is easily solved by building...gasp...another ramp!

That's pretty dumb, but shiat, at least they have trains.

I really like this sign...

RollingThunder: Actually, coming from a project management perspective, I can see why they'd put in the ramps at all stations now.

That way, they don't have to go back and revisit the "boarding ramp" project each time another station gets more accessibility features. It's not like it would cost them more to do all the stations now, than to do them later once lifts or ramps to the main station floors get put in.

You just do all of one type of feature now, so you know it's done, and that eventually it'll work once other, more expensive accessibility options are put in (ramps, elevators, etc).

An expansion of my point, and makes perfect sense. Build one part now, deal with the rest later.

RollingThunder: Actually, coming from a project management perspective, I can see why they'd put in the ramps at all stations now.

That way, they don't have to go back and revisit the "boarding ramp" project each time another station gets more accessibility features. It's not like it would cost them more to do all the stations now, than to do them later once lifts or ramps to the main station floors get put in.

You just do all of one type of feature now, so you know it's done, and that eventually it'll work once other, more expensive accessibility options are put in (ramps, elevators, etc).

Ok but being in a wheelchair I can see that that's doing it ass backwards. Start with the ramp eliminating stairs first before you add everything else to sit and get vandalized for the amount of time it takes to get things finished it could be years if this was in the USA.

onecoolshe: RollingThunder: Actually, coming from a project management perspective, I can see why they'd put in the ramps at all stations now.

That way, they don't have to go back and revisit the "boarding ramp" project each time another station gets more accessibility features. It's not like it would cost them more to do all the stations now, than to do them later once lifts or ramps to the main station floors get put in.

You just do all of one type of feature now, so you know it's done, and that eventually it'll work once other, more expensive accessibility options are put in (ramps, elevators, etc).

Ok but being in a wheelchair I can see that that's doing it ass backwards. Start with the ramp eliminating stairs first before you add everything else to sit and get vandalized for the amount of time it takes to get things finished it could be years if this was in the USA.

But now you can use the station for its intended purpose. If they made the ramp TO the station first all you could do is roll up to the departing gate and sit there uselessly with a tear in your eye at the train you cannot board.

Think in terms of connecting flights.

/hot like a gimp Italian

As The Whiltam's once sang of Sydney, "You've gotta love this city... for it's body and not it's brains"

From the Failblog:

See this? You failed harder than this.

/I once lived on the fourth floor of a dorm that had handicap-accessible showers on every floor. Pity that there was only stairs between floors...

First government approved Q-tip for government employees.

Handicapped showers are so great to be drunk in. It's a puke proof room where you can lay down while having a shower. Truly amazing experience.

Don't drown.

sgtbarthel: I saw an example of this at the Middle East II school house at the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, California. They had a construction crew refurbish the latrines in the second and third floors of the building which included adding wheel-chair accessible stalls and angled mirrors for people sitting in wheel-chairs. Only problem was that there were no elevators or ramps up to the second and third floors.

Military Intelligence at its finest.

Actually, I've been through this once, and it actually has to do with building codes. No, I'm not making this one up.

According to post 1970-something codes (whenever those went in), all remodeled or newly-built buildings have to comply with handicapped requirements: ramps, wider doors, bathroom stalls, etc. So if you demolish something completely, you have to rebuild according to the codes.

HOWEVER, pre-existing structures do NOT have to be made code-compliant if a remodel or building is added to it, if the new construction does not require the demolition of the pre-existing structure. So if you remodel the INTERIOR of a building, but don't touch the EXTERIOR of the building, the inside has to be code-compliant, but the outside may not have to be.

We found this out remodeling an old building to make a new gym: The freshly gutted and remodeled women's bathroom had to have wheelchair accessible toilet stalls and showers; but the door into the bathroom which was part of the 1920's era original structure and was too narrow to admit a wheelchair, did not have to be widened, because such an alteration was not part of our remodel plan.

Yes, this makes absolutely no sense at all, but that's how these code sections work.

Gyrfalcon, exactly what I came in here to say - with an added bonus: When we were doing improvements to the building we didn't even have to get it up to code, we only had to spend "10% of total project budget" on ADA improvements. So we redid the first floor bathrooms as part of the project - which were already as big as many handicapped stalls, but were a few inches too short of being proper handicapped stalls according to the building code we were using!

Also, when you're required to spend 10% of "construction budget" on something else, it's amazing how quickly things that were part of the construction project become part of the post-construction budget instead...

The difference is that you have all day if necessary to get into and out of the station, while only a short period of time to get into and out of the train.