I do not hold to nostalgia and the like...if something has lost its practicality get rid of it!!! I can appreciate maintaining certain historically significant structures...OTOH...personal property is PERSONAL PROPERTY!!! One/a congregation should be allowed to do as they please with their own property.

If someone else/The Historical Preservation Society thinks that something is worth keeping...BUY IT FROM THEM and you maintain it yourself!!!

"We've restored this building to how it looked over FIFTY YEARS AGO!!"

"--No! No one was alive back then!"

If someone wants to save this property, either they can buy it from the church, or ask the city to take the property and provide another piece of city property for a new church location.

dahmers love zombie: "We've restored this building to how it looked over FIFTY YEARS AGO!!"

"--No! No one was alive back then!"

Thirty years old? Let's smash it to the floor and put a car park here!

If it was built between the 1840's and the 1980;s be done with it.

Some great examples why.

puffy999: If someone wants to save this property, either they can buy it from the church, or ask the city to take the property and provide another piece of city property for a new church location.

THAT. Otherwise you're just begging for abandonment / a "mysterious fire".

I just came to mock the idea of "Third Church of Christ, Scientist". WTF?

On the other hand, I'd consider joining the π^th Church of Buddha, Systems Analyst if it existed.

Bek: Thirty years old? Let's smash it to the floor and put a car park here!

Having worked on telephone, video, and networking systems and running the cable for them, I completely understand why people want to demolish 30-40 year old buildings and start over. It gets to a point where it is a massive PITA to keep upgrading these things.

I also can't count the number of times someplace has cheaped out on the HVAC requirements for the server room, then have to leave the door open with a box fan to keep things from overheating. Some of these places are rather new buildings and they should have seen this comming.

Crosshair: Having worked on telephone, video, and networking systems and running the cable for them, I completely understand why people want to demolish 30-40 year old buildings and start over. It gets to a point where it is a massive PITA to keep upgrading these things.

Having run multiple hundreds of yards of cat 5 through a 100+ year old church: amen brother. Beautiful historic building, Faustian f*cking nightmare to update. Hell, the electrical system looked like it was last touched during the Hoover administration.

Why wont Jesus give them the money to maintain the building?

And why are churches insured?

T.M.S.: Why wont Jesus give them the money to maintain the building?


Jesus doesn't have any pockets in that robe.

And why are churches insured?

Because Jesus doesn't have any money.

Why have this:


When you can have this:


/hot like a TNT demolition

Came here for the Eddie Izzard references. Leaving satisfied.

/It will never be historic if you keep tearing it down when it becomes unfashionable.
//Though that church looks like it should have the three slogans of Ingsoc chiseled on the side.

Amen on that sentiment, Uncle Pim...

But I don't think this church is worth saving.

I suppose it would ruin the fun to point out that the city agrees and is letting them tear it down, as opposed to the headline which says the city agrees but is not letting them do it.

Except that the point of the article was that they CAN tear it down, just that people didn't want them to.
And it was built in 1971, but is in the modernist style of the 50s.

But yeh, other than that, what the headline said is correct.

Occam's Chainsaw: Hell, the electrical system looked like it was last touched during the Hoover administration.

Sounds like my house.

Who needs more than one outlet per room anyway?

What an amazing future that would be, to have enough electrical devices to require such massive numbers of outlets! Three prongs? What's that?

puffy999: If someone wants to save this property, either they can buy it from the church, or ask the city to take the property and provide another piece of city property for a new church location.

A. They're not selling.
B. You wanna see the ACLU come alive, watch a city try and enforce eminent domain on a church.

I don't like that particular building, but I agree with the argument. A lot of buildings are being torn down because they are considered outdated, and not yet seen in a larger historical context or as being emblematic of a time in our history.

example:



It looks like schnit in the picture, but it once was a always-busy Denny's that attracted a wide swath of Seattle drunk-dining. It's a style that's called Googie, a truly American style of architecture born in Southern California in the 1960s. It was torn down to make way for condos that are never going to be built because of the economic meltdown. So, they tore down a busy and unique restaurant for no reason because some rich assholes had a whim.

rant over

brainiac-dumdum: So, they tore down a busy and unique restaurant for no reason because some rich assholes had a whim.

rant over

In Florida our developers do that with swamp land.

1950s.

Most churches, in my opinion, are hysteric sites.

/Oh... historic.

Uncle Pim: Why have this:


When you can have this:


/hot like a TNT demolition

The destruction of the original Penn Station was a national tragedy. Supposedly more beautiful than Grand Central.

brainiac-dumdum:

Googie is really cool stuff, as is retro-futurist design/architecture. I find that stuff fascinating and fun. That's all, nothing else to see here.

Yea, because architectural history stopped being made in 1949 subby. What a moron.



Seriously out your self you fu*king retard.

I don't care about this thread...at all.

/I tried to stop myself from posting but my ennui wouldn't allow it.

brainiac-dumdum: So, they tore down a busy and unique restaurant for no reason because some rich assholes had a whim.

Heh, I was going to bring up this as a perfect non-use of "historic" architecture. The building was freaking ugly. Nothing about it was good. It looked like something out of an abandoned Disney ride.

If that building was allowed to be kept under historic preservation it would have really cheapened the law.

Uncle Pim: Why have this:


When you can have this:


/hot like a TNT demolition

If the Kathrine Gillenbrand really wanted to make me love her more then I think she deserves, get a special transporation grant for us to finally transfer the old post office to become the new Penn Station proper. I hate Penn Station with a passion, I want to have a grand space where we board our city's most important transporation method again.

You won't miss it until it's gone.

And people 50 years from now will be wondering how we could be such irresponsible jackasses just like we do now when it comes to things torn down 50 years ago.

/not necessarily true in this case but it is in a lot of them.

crab66: You won't miss it until it's gone.

And people 50 years from now will be wondering how we could be such irresponsible jackasses just like we do now when it comes to things torn down 50 years ago.

/not necessarily true in this case but it is in a lot of them.

exactly

Just because something's old, it doesn't mean it's historic.

You never miss them until they're gone.
It was my kind of place.
They threw food in my face.
Hamburgers up your nose
French Fries between your toes

I thought Pamida was historic...then Wal-Mart raped them.

Foxxinnia: Just because something's old, it doesn't mean it's historic.

Just because something is historic doesn't mean it's old.
We usually just don't recognize it until it's old.

Uncle Pim:

Heh, I was going to say something about Penn. Station. Historic preservation does have a purpose. However, nowadays it's insane. There's a time for it, but some church from the 50s doesn't quite make the cut IMO. The same goes for the majority of the warehouses in Portland that are deemed historically important. Sure, keep a few, I suppose, but c'mon they're freaking warehouses.

This is totally normal in Europe. Happens all the time.

Subby probably thinks we're still living in the fifties.

Lumi: Occam's Chainsaw: Hell, the electrical system looked like it was last touched during the Hoover administration.

Sounds like my house.

Who needs more than one outlet per room anyway?

What an amazing future that would be, to have enough electrical devices to require such massive numbers of outlets! Three prongs? What's that?

Or some buildings I helped renovate in Gardnerville, Nevada. "What is this 'internal plumbing' of which you speak?"

maniacbastard: Yea, because architectural history stopped being made in 1949 subby. What a moron.



Seriously out your self you fu*king retard.

That house looks incredible. Can you provide more information?

Hetfield: That house looks incredible. Can you provide more information?

That's Frank Lloyd Wright's "Falling Water" house in Pennsylvania.

Google it. You can visit the place. They charge admission.

seen in vicinity

Fark Me To Tears: Hetfield: That house looks incredible. Can you provide more information?

That's Frank Lloyd Wright's "Falling Water" house in Pennsylvania.

Google it. You can visit the place. They charge admission.

Thanks!

Hetfield: Fark Me To Tears: Hetfield: That house looks incredible. Can you provide more information?

That's Frank Lloyd Wright's "Falling Water" house in Pennsylvania.

Google it. You can visit the place. They charge admission.

Thanks!

I was out there last year, it's on a beautiful property right near Ohio-Pyle State park in Western PA. Awesome country.

Cracow, Poland


Detroit, USA


Dresden, Germany

Wait a sec, which continent did WWII happen on again? And who won?

Warsaw 1945



Warsaw today

1950's is 'historical'?
So 1400's is what, pre-historic?

ilambiquated: Detroit, USA

Wait, wasn't that the place where Tyler Durden lived? That place ought to be a fricking shrine!

ilambiquated: Warsaw today

Well, to be fair, everything looked better after the invention of color in 1948. Let's face it: making black and white look good took a lot of work.

Commander Lysdexic: 1950's is 'historical'?
So 1400's is what, pre-historic?

That's what happens when history ends at the formation of your country, 233 years ago.

/we have breweries hundreds of years older than that

Ah, good old brutalist architecture. If by good, you mean "hulking pile of concrete crap that only a communist could love." I may not know much about architecture, but anyone who thinks buildings like this need to be "preserved" needs to be smacked.

Falling Water could NEVER be built again.

/ Build something on wetlands? How could you? Evil developer!