People like Buckley have created well-structured and reasoned arguments for legalization of drugs.

Now, as a college writing teacher, I know that such arguments can be constructed.

The sad truth is, every paper I get that attempts to do so is a train wreck.

Of course, who knows--perhaps the writers of these papers are not pot users. Maybe they are aspiring pot users or something.

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Successful people who smoke pot usually aren't potheads. They just smoke it semi-regularly. Everyone has their productive level of high... some people laze out on one joint, others need that spliff first off in the day just to do anything. Others need to get high to think properly and others can't think at all when they get high.

It's a fun diversion, but IMHO, it takes a lot of self control to be successful at it.

I never would have passed Quantum Properties of Semiconductors if it weren't for weed.

co-conspirator: I never would have passed Quantum Properties of Semiconductors if it weren't for weed.

So... how small can we make transistors before they become unreliable? Are we there yet?

Damn looser pot smokers. They'll never amount to anything.







Bush got a DUI, but then again, who hasn't with the draconian DUI laws on the books.

I have a perfect 4.0 GPA in college so far (about a year left)... and I uhh... am not admitting anything about anything to you people.

co-conspirator: I never would have passed Quantum Properties of Semiconductors if it weren't for weed.

Probably wouldn't taken it either...

Tr0mBoNe: So... how small can we make transistors before they become unreliable? Are we there yet?

No longer my field 20+ years ago). Not that it ever really was. But we certainly have orders of magnitude to go. I think some researchers are screwing around with femtometer gates. But don't take my word fr it.

Crosshair: Damn looser pot smokers. They'll never amount to anything.

Bush got a DUI, but then again, who hasn't with the draconian DUI laws on the books.

Don't you know? They all killed the kids they were baby sitting by letting them drown in a pool while simultaneously forgetting to pick up their younger siblings from soccer practice, and turning into squishy troll monsters. So I say their accomplishments were necessary to balance things out :P

Both have valid points. It would be better to find out how many successful potheads there are in Amsterdam. Certainly not in baggage claim.

DistendedPendulusFrenulum: The sad truth is, every paper I get that attempts to do so is a train wreck.

While not an English teacher, I did do a huge amount of peer review of papers in college, including most of the other tutors' who worked in the writing center. And honestly, I have never read a single non-train wreck paper in my years of higher education- no matter how sober the author.

Tr0mBoNe: Successful people who smoke pot usually aren't potheads. They just smoke it semi-regularly. Everyone has their productive level of high... some people laze out on one joint, others need that spliff first off in the day just to do anything. Others need to get high to think properly and others can't think at all when they get high.

(anecdotal evidence ahead)

I used to work with a guy who would show up in the morning and do okay at his job. At some point he would take a "bathroom" break, come back, and outperform the rest of us put together for the remainder of the day.

I also knew a guy who, every Friday, would buy some booze and some weed. He'd smoke some and drink some and then spend pretty much the rest of the weekend passed out in his living room. At work he wasn't worth much straight but it was a whole lot better than when he was wasted. (or hungover)

Philbb: I used to work with a guy who would show up in the morning and do okay at his job. At some point he would take a "bathroom" break, come back, and outperform the rest of us put together for the remainder of the day.

He sounds like a cokehead to me.

Tr0mBoNe: He sounds like a cokehead to me.

Yea, or amphetamines. If the job is repetitive enough I can see speed being a positive boon, really.

Bek: DistendedPendulusFrenulum: The sad truth is, every paper I get that attempts to do so is a train wreck.

While not an English teacher, I did do a huge amount of peer review of papers in college, including most of the other tutors' who worked in the writing center. And honestly, I have never read a single non-train wreck paper in my years of higher education- no matter how sober the author.

Pretty much that. English majors who are sober as a stone regularly crank out papers that would earn you an F in the 5th grade.

/Thank you, Grandma, for relentlessly drilling spelling and grammar into my skull.

Tr0mBoNe: Philbb: I used to work with a guy who would show up in the morning and do okay at his job. At some point he would take a "bathroom" break, come back, and outperform the rest of us put together for the remainder of the day.

He sounds like a cokehead to me.

Actually it was hash or pot. Er .. ahem... at least I think it was ... umm ... that's what I was told.

Occam's Chainsaw: Pretty much that. English majors who are sober as a stone regularly crank out papers that would earn you an F in the 5th grade.

Well, I meant no one seemed capable of writing a decent paper no matter what their mental state, but I guess that works too.

Bek: Occam's Chainsaw: Pretty much that. English majors who are sober as a stone regularly crank out papers that would earn you an F in the 5th grade.

Well, I meant no one seemed capable of writing a decent paper no matter what their mental state, but I guess that works too.

It's the same in the technical world. I've written and reviewed reports that read like they've been thrown together by a random topic generator. All the information is there, but it's not in a logical order. Most comments on Fark, including this one, are like that. It usually takes 3 or 4 reviews to get it right. Then it's sent to someone who doesn't know anything about what you are writing about and they don't understand it at all. Sometimes it takes 3 or 4 times to get what you want to say, said in a coherent way. Then those people you send it to can understand what you are saying. But only after 3 or 4 times. There are a lot of Fark comments like that.

Tr0mBoNe: It's the same in the technical world. I've written and reviewed reports that read like they've been thrown together by a random topic generator. All the information is there, but it's not in a logical order. Most comments on Fark, including this one, are like that. It usually takes 3 or 4 reviews to get it right. Then it's sent to someone who doesn't know anything about what you are writing about and they don't understand it at all. Sometimes it takes 3 or 4 times to get what you want to say, said in a coherent way. Then those people you send it to can understand what you are saying. But only after 3 or 4 times. There are a lot of Fark comments like that.

Put the bong down, Smokey, you're repeating yourself. ~_^

Occam's Chainsaw: Put the bong down, Smokey, you're repeating yourself. ~_^

Random Topic #314: Tannins are astringent, bitter plant polyphenols that either bind and precipitate or shrink proteins. The astringency from the tannins is what causes the dry and puckery feeling in the mouth following the consumption of red wine or an unripened fruit.

OK, the US has very strict laws regarding drug production, transport, buying/selling and using, right? Marijuana is illegal...you can't grow it, possess it or use it. Yet, how hard is it to find and obtain? I'm thinking prohibition really doesn't work all that well. How well did alcohol prohibition work out for us in the early part of the 20th century?

There are a lot of people who are against marijuana. I'm willing to bet the main ones are the corporations that produce alcohol. They stand to lose millions of dollars(if not billions) if marijuana is legalized. The DEA and other police forces stand to lose millions of dollars if it's legalized(they'll still be needed to enforce the illegal growing and selling of it, though). Politicians who want their constituents to think they're protecting them from "psychotic weed smokers who are gonna rape their children" are against it. People who are afraid of "psychotic weed smokers who are gonna rape their children" are against it. I wonder how many of those who are "against" it consume it in privacy? I wonder how many of them have no experience or first hand knowledge of the effects of marijuana? Or the only knowledge they have of it came from some government made anti-marijuana scare pamphlet or PSA?

The truth is, there are millions of marijuana users who go about their lives just like everybody else does. They work, pay their taxes, mow their lawns, don't bother anyone, go to church, raise families and everything else normal people do. Just like there are millions of people who drink alcohol who do the same thing.

If it were regulated and treated in the same manner as alcohol, think of how much money would be saved or made and how many headaches would be avoided. No need to have police chasing down pot smokers who are of legal age, no need to jail them or waste money on court costs on them. Taxing it would provide a much needed source of income for the government.

On the flip side; Marijuana users need to treat it like alcohol. If you're smoking it, don't drive. Just because you say or think you can drive just fine while stoned doesn't mean you can. Because the number of people arrested for DUI says otherwise. If you're out in a public place while stoned, make sure someone is a DD or get a cab.

I keep hoping and praying that someday marijuana will be legalized. I still haven't figured out why it was criminalized in the first place. Prohibition obviously hasn't worked in the 72 years it's been in effect. Maybe it's time for a new approach? Besides, I have a new product I'd like to market:

Crosshair: Damn looser pot smokers

You know that potheads are chronic, not casual, users, right?

Pro pot on campus: "You know, when you get high on marijuana you don't act violent - you just kind of sit there" Anti pot on campus: "We just don't have a lot of highly successful students who admit they are potheads publicly

FTFY

On marijuana, the White House's Office of National Drug Control Policy says in its "Myths & Facts" report that even a moderate dose can impair driving performance, and that 15 percent of trauma patients injured while driving a car or motorcycle had been smoking pot.

Show me something that doesn't impair driving performance. Blinking can impair driving performance.

15? First of all, that is such a miniscule number that it shouldn't be news. But okay, if I smoked pot last week and get into an accident this week, it's going to look like I had been smoking prior to the incident. Secondly, were these 15% all the cause of the accidents or injuries?

I'm sorry, but "sometimes people who smoke can get hurt to do stupid things" should not be an acceptable reason for continued criminalization.

I agree potheads are a bunch of stupid lazy retards.

Now let me clarify, just because you have a drink doesn't make you an alcoholic, same as if you smoke a join doesn't make you a pothead. BTW alcoholics don't do well in school either.

Karma Chameleon: I'm sorry, but "sometimes people who smoke can get hurt to do stupid things" should not be an acceptable reason for continued criminalization.

No, but it should be a reason no to smoke and post, Tokey.

PacManDreaming: Karma Chameleon: I'm sorry, but "sometimes people who smoke can get hurt to do stupid things" should not be an acceptable reason for continued criminalization.

No, but it should be a reason no to smoke and post, Tokey.

Indeed.

Karma Chameleon: Indeed.

Aw, dammit.

PacManDreaming: Karma Chameleon: I'm sorry, but "sometimes people who smoke can get hurt to do stupid things" should not be an acceptable reason for continued criminalization.

No, but it should be a reason no to smoke and post, Tokey.

i suggest we criminalize perscription drugs and alcohol as well as going outside or especially being of teen years, they do stupid things all the time...

WildMonkey: I agree potheads are a bunch of stupid lazy retards.

Now let me clarify, just because you have a drink doesn't make you an alcoholic, same as if you smoke a join doesn't make you a pothead. BTW alcoholics don't do well in school either.

THIS. A THOUSAND TIMES, THIS!

See how many of your "top students" have a beer now and then (especially after finals week) and how many binge drink on a weekly (or more) basis. Now take into consideration that pot isn't legal for anyone, while you can grab a beer at any party around just about any campus. You'd probably see similar numbers if both substances had the same amount of legal access. The truth is that the non-pot-heads know that if they're caught with even the smallest amount of pot, they're royally farked for life.

/I don't smoke up and don't particularly care for it

We just don't have a lot of highly successful students who are potheads

Here's a tip dumbass: The highly successful students are too smart to get caught.

Top of my EE class here and smoked almost every day, but there's no way any of my professors would know. It's not like I sparked up in class or right outside or anything.

Tr0mBoNe: It's a fun diversion, but IMHO, it takes a lot of self control to be successful at it.

FTFY. One's proclivity to use mind altering substances does not determine success in life. On one end, you have Cheech and Chong. On the other, Carl Sagan and Michael Phelps.

Besides, the fact of the matter is that there just aren't that many highly successful people, on pot or otherwise. If there were, they'd be called average.

/"taking drugs is like having tea"
//U.K. Farkers may get that quote

Same old story. Each side picks the extreme examples. By that logic we should get rid of alcohol since there are winos on skid row and people smash their cars while drinking. Sometimes into other people.

But the fear level against pot is pretty impressive for a fairly harmless substance.

Some pot users are motivated and do good things. They just don't live for the buzz. Here are some famous users. See how high they are, they can't even support their own heads.




And while I am not certain. I am willing to bet there was a bong in one of these peoples closets:

Wouldn't the anti-pot on campus argument actually be a pro-pot on campus if made by a non stoner? If you're a non stoner and you're doing well, it helps to have a couple of real idiots in your classes to bring up the curve a few points.

Tr0mBoNe: Successful people who smoke pot usually aren't potheads. They just smoke it semi-regularly. Everyone has their productive level of high... some people laze out on one joint, others need that spliff first off in the day just to do anything. Others need to get high to think properly and others can't think at all when they get high.

It's a fun diversion, but IMHO, it takes a lot of self control to be successful at it.

You've said a bowlful, my friend.

JohnnyC: I have a perfect 4.0 GPA in college so far (about a year left)... and I uhh... am not admitting anything about anything to you people.

Exactly.

Talon: Crosshair: Damn looser pot smokers. They'll never amount to anything.

Bush got a DUI, but then again, who hasn't with the draconian DUI laws on the books.

Don't you know? They all killed the kids they were baby sitting by letting them drown in a pool while simultaneously forgetting to pick up their younger siblings from soccer practice, and turning into squishy troll monsters. So I say their accomplishments were necessary to balance things out :P

I ran over that kid while pulling out of a drivethru whilst getting my munchies don't forget

The_Philosopher_King: Here are some famous users. See how high they are, they can't even support their own heads.

Careful, that first one looks like he's contemplating a grass-fueled rape spree.

/Billions and billions of white wimmins...

The_Philosopher_King: And while I am not certain. I am willing to bet there was a bong in one of these peoples closets:
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Just one? I love the chick on the right with the long hair. I can imagine her saying "Just chill out, maaan, just chill out."

College students probably SHOULD lay off the pot, as well as the alcohol and McDonald's. Just sayin'.

Occam's Chainsaw: PacManDreaming: No, but it should be a reason no to smoke and post, Tokey.



Was yous talkings to me?



Don't listen to those dildoes.

Potheads: more useless than the homeless.

SharkInfested: I ran over that kid while pulling out of a drivethru whilst getting my munchies don't forget

Because you didn't have the money to pay for the food. You blew it all on pot and were too lazy to get a job.

Judging from my college experience, it seems that booze is much more trouble.

WildMonkey Quote 2009-05-17 12:24:38 AM
I agree potheads are a bunch of stupid lazy retards.
Now let me clarify, just because you have a drink doesn't make you an alcoholic, same as if you smoke a join doesn't make you a pothead. BTW alcoholics don't do well in school either.


You're hanging with the wrong crowd dude, that's all.
Potheads (ie: people who usually have some weed at home and partake most days) come from all walks of life. Marijuana use seems to cross all social barriers, from the guy that pumps gas, to the guy who designed the car.
I've been a pothead all my adult life and I've seen both ends of the spectrum among my friends and co-workers. When I was young and worked menial labor jobs I knew a hundred guys who fit the "lazy stupid retard" label. These days live and work in an extremely specialized and highly competitive field where you need to be the best-of-the-best to keep your job, and seemingly everyone smokes weed.
My multi-millionaire uncle once said to me: "It's all about who's in control; you, or the drugs."

WildMonkey: just because you have a drink doesn't make you an alcoholic, same as if you smoke a join doesn't make you a pothead. BTW alcoholics don't do well in school either.

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!!!!

Pot users may be harmless, but they're also totally useless. Even if pot is legalized, it should be grounds for expulsion from college, work, any form of government welfare, etc.