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(Daily Kos) Amusing Finally, statistical proof that libruls hate freedom. If by "libruls" you mean "normal people" and by "freedom" you mean "insanity"   (dailykos.com) divider line 66
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simsite9 [TotalFark] 2009-05-16 02:09:42 PM  
I...vigorously protest...um...

Someone please tell me whether or not this makes secession logical or not.

 
Lionel Mandrake [TotalFark] 2009-05-16 02:25:17 PM  
If a state allows gay marriage and decriminalizes marijuana, does that make it more or less free?

Is being pro-choice pro- or anti-freedoom?

 
GAT_00 [TotalFark] 2009-05-16 02:31:00 PM  
That was a pretty thorough bashing of that horribly biased study. Basically, the study says that Republican values are more free and Democratic values are less free, no matter what reality says.

 
St_Francis_P [TotalFark] 2009-05-16 02:39:55 PM  
Lionel Mandrake:
Is being pro-choice pro- or anti-freedoom?


That depends on whether or not the fetuses are armed. The really free states have AKs in the womb.

 
Dinki [TotalFark] 2009-05-16 02:40:49 PM  
Lionel Mandrake: Is being pro-choice pro- or anti-freedoom?

As someone else pointed out in another thread, this 'study' conveniently ignores the whole abortion issue. I guess freedom stops at a woman's womb.

 
GAT_00 [TotalFark] 2009-05-16 02:45:22 PM  
Dinki: I guess freedom stops at a woman's womb.

Freedom doesn't matter when Jesus is involved. Or really when it comes to Republicans at all.

 
FloydA [TotalFark] 2009-05-16 02:51:00 PM  
Every time I hear the word "freedom," my mind automatically translates it to "French."

 
Your Faith is Creepy [TotalFark] 2009-05-16 03:24:17 PM  
simsite9: I...vigorously protest...um...

Someone please tell me whether or not this makes secession logical or not.


It does. All true freedom-loving Americans (teabaggers, registered Republicans and anyone who thinks "Democrat Socialist Party" is a neat idea) need to head to Texas. Then we commence work on that border fence, just one border higher than before.

 
burndtdan 2009-05-16 04:32:39 PM  
schools are for fascists

 
Listerine 2009-05-16 05:32:26 PM  
Daily Kos is a circle jerk in the form of a massive wall of text

 
Ex Parte Gilligan 2009-05-16 05:35:44 PM  
From TFA: "So, you won't be too shocked to hear that liberal hotbeds like New York and California are the least free places in America. Which explains why nobody lives there, and why the freedom center in South Dakota is so overrun."

Yes, I liked that line.

 
Exodus2001 2009-05-16 05:36:02 PM  
FTFA: In other words, by this scale, Somalia is the ideal free society.

This is one of the reasons I don't vote GOP anymore. The Libertarians also think anarchy is the answer and that bothers me. The Democrats would be a very very good party if they would stop overreaching on the nanny state stuff.

There doesn't seem to be much middle ground from any party. :(

 
Jae0o0 2009-05-16 05:39:17 PM  
If you're a republican who voted Democrat do you cancel yourself out?

 
purntronics 2009-05-16 05:39:50 PM  
legalize animal cruelty!

 
rogue49 2009-05-16 05:39:55 PM  
When are people going to figure out that the words mean whatever the person decides the mean at the time they say them?

Politicians are professional speakers,
thus they are professional rationalists.

 
goldielox 2009-05-16 05:57:41 PM  
Listerine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw2T1jx8kzo

 
jules_siegel 2009-05-16 06:00:22 PM  
Freedom means elimination of all controls on business and the police. All other controls are tightened up, though. So it all evens out.

 
El_Dan 2009-05-16 06:03:39 PM  
Freedom means that businesses have the freedom to treat me like a serf, right?farking Republicans...

 
Listerine 2009-05-16 06:10:23 PM  
goldielox: Listerine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw2T1jx8kzo


guy was funny, but I didn't really understand the title

 
erveek 2009-05-16 06:11:52 PM  
rogue49: When are people going to figure out that the words mean whatever the person decides the mean at the time they say them?

Politicians are professional speakers,
thus they are professional rationalists.


"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in a rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."

 
netcentric 2009-05-16 06:13:16 PM  
hehehe... "Montana passed a law that said every citizen was a law officer. " You know that's gonna cause KOS butthurt.



/that was supposed to be a pun
//it's kos, lets just move on

 
HairBolus 2009-05-16 06:17:52 PM  
The Mafia is a large supporter of freedom.

 
RobertBruce [TotalFark] 2009-05-16 06:19:49 PM  
El_Dan: Freedom means that businesses have the freedom to treat me like a serf, right?farking Republicans...

Considering the government just bought your house and your mortgage I think that whole serf thing is taken care of.

 
Listerine 2009-05-16 06:25:49 PM  
RobertBruce: El_Dan: Freedom means that businesses have the freedom to treat me like a serf, right?farking Republicans...

Considering the government just bought your house and your mortgage I think that whole serf thing is taken care of.


no, it's altruistic freedom securing then

 
MindStalker 2009-05-16 06:33:35 PM  
Lionel Mandrake: If a state allows gay marriage and decriminalizes marijuana, does that make it more or less free?

Is being pro-choice pro- or anti-freedoom?


If you read the article gay marriage and legal marijuana are positive freedoms by the "study", but apparently they are worth much less than say home schooling is on the scale.

 
Jackpot777 [recently expired TotalFark] 2009-05-16 06:37:58 PM  
www.norelpref.com

 
Krusty_the_Barbarian [TotalFark] 2009-05-16 07:07:06 PM  
Are you trolling Jackpot777, or do you just not understand what the Libertarian platform is? Anarchy is a political platform that believes in NO centralized government of any kind. Libertarians believe that the Federal government (read centralized government) should only have the powers it is granted in the Constitution. No where near the same thing.

 
Argh2 2009-05-16 07:13:44 PM  
Krusty_the_Barbarian: Are you trolling Jackpot777, or do you just not understand what the Libertarian platform is? Anarchy is a political platform that believes in NO centralized government of any kind. Libertarians believe that the Federal government (read centralized government) should only have the powers it is granted in the Constitution. No where near the same thing.

Agreed but it does often seem that in practice, Libertarians are against any and every exercise of government power, Constitutional or not. Don't blame me, it's just how they come off.

 
Bestbank Tiger 2009-05-16 07:24:17 PM  
So are states with school vouchers more free because you can opt out of the commie public school, which you're obviously banned from doing if you don't have vouchers? Or are they less free because someone has to pay for it?

 
El_Dan 2009-05-16 07:40:00 PM  
RobertBruce: El_Dan: Freedom means that businesses have the freedom to treat me like a serf, right?farking Republicans...

Considering the government just bought your house and your mortgage I think that whole serf thing is taken care of.


first off, I rent and have no debt to speak of. Second, even if I had entered in to a subprime mortgage, the terms of that mortgage would have been made both in the absence of regulation and in such a way that I could not make payments. My subprime mortgage would then have been bundled and sold in a series of unregulated transactions on an unregulated market. So if the government had just bought my mortgage, it would have only done so because if it had not, I would have lost my house as a result of unregulated predatory lending and unregulated trading.

How does this rebut my argument that the Republican definition of 'freedom' is that businesses have the freedom to take advantage of people? The subprime mortgage crisis is a perfect example of my point, except it goes even further because the involved businesses took advantage of not only consumers, but also each other.

 
Pants full of macaroni!! 2009-05-16 07:51:39 PM  
rogue49: When are people going to figure out that the words mean whatever the person decides the mean at the time they say them?

Politicians are professional speakers,
thus they are professional rationalists.


B-b-b-but Libs don't believe that WORDS HAVE MEANINGS! I know it's true because every Rightie I know SAYS SO!!1

 
A Dark Evil Omen 2009-05-16 08:16:14 PM  
So... Restricting the rights of workers to organize collectively and negotiate legal contracts is increasing freedom? Do I have that right? The first amendment is anti-freedom?

 
BlippityBleep 2009-05-16 08:47:56 PM  
The Reps want to turn you into slaves. The Dems want to control individuals because people cannot responsibly make their own decisions (according to them).

Milkbeer: So, um...... this explains why we want the government to have control over our health so that we become property of the state?

You're already property of an insurance company if you look at it that way. Congratulations, you are worth $200K according to statisticians.

 
BlippityBleep 2009-05-16 08:51:32 PM  
Krusty_the_Barbarian: Are you trolling Jackpot777, or do you just not understand what the Libertarian platform is? Anarchy is a political platform that believes in NO centralized government of any kind. Libertarians believe that the Federal government (read centralized government) should only have the powers it is granted in the Constitution. No where near the same thing.

Which kills the important founding concept of the Constitution as a living document. While some issues are the same, ther are others that are far different than those in 1776.

 
HairBolus 2009-05-16 09:01:45 PM  
Krusty_the_Barbarian: Are you trolling Jackpot777, or do you just not understand what the Libertarian platform is?

The main difference I've seen between Libertarians and Conservatives is that Libertarians are in favor of the freedoms of drug use and prostitution.

Some Libertarians personally enjoy those freedoms while others see them in Social Darwinism terms - if people are so stupid that they destroy their lives then that is their right.

Social Darwinism seems to unify Libertarians and Randians.

 
AirForceVet [TotalFark] 2009-05-16 09:02:30 PM  
We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control.

scpoliticaltruth.files.wordpress.com

All in all, it's just another brick on the wall.

images5.cafepress.com

 
captainktainer 2009-05-16 09:15:24 PM  
Krusty_the_Barbarian: Are you trolling Jackpot777, or do you just not understand what the Libertarian platform is? Anarchy is a political platform that believes in NO centralized government of any kind. Libertarians believe that the Federal government (read centralized government) should only have the powers it is granted in the Constitution. No where near the same thing.

Wow... you have no farking clue what libertarianism or the Libertarian Party are all about, do you?

Libertarianism (in theory both the big-L and little-l versions) holds that all exercise of state power must flow from the non-aggression principle. In other words, any initiation of physical force, any threat of the use of physical force, or commission of fraud is inherently illegitimate unless it is in self-defense or as a response to aggression. That has nothing to do with the Constitution, and the Libertarian Party doesn't even give a shiat about the Constitution save where it espouses or embodies principles that flow from the principle of non-aggression. Furthermore, anarchism and libertarianism both stem in terms of their intellectual evolution and with respect to their subsidiary principles from the non-aggression principle.

Stop confusing latter-day Confederatism and/or Constitutionalism with l/Libertarianism and anarchism. They have nothing to do with each other save where neo-Confederates and neo-Constitutionalists cloak themselves in the language of libertarianism while pursuing or advocating policies that fail the non-aggression test. Jackpot777 was wholly accurate in his posting and you owe him an apology.

 
jso2897 2009-05-16 09:17:45 PM  
Listerine: Daily Kos is a circle jerk in the form of a massive wall of text

Ad hominem arguments are the earmark of weak-minded fools.

 
VwlssWndr 2009-05-16 10:04:26 PM  
Listerine: Daily Kos is a circle jerk in the form of a massive wall of text

Every time you open your mouth to comment in a political thread, I can smell the alcohol on your breath.

 
Gyrfalcon [TotalFark] 2009-05-16 10:43:25 PM  
St_Francis_P: Lionel Mandrake:
Is being pro-choice pro- or anti-freedoom?

That depends on whether or not the fetuses are armed. The really free states have AKs in the womb.


Man, that's gotta be painful. I guess I'll stay in an un-free California, and keep my womb intact.

 
Your Faith is Creepy [TotalFark] 2009-05-16 11:09:10 PM  
i223.photobucket.com

/approves

 
RminusQ [TotalFark] 2009-05-16 11:10:19 PM  
You know, looking at that graph, it barely looks like there's much correlation anyway.

 
dySWN 2009-05-16 11:14:53 PM  
Worst. Study. Evar.

When did we start putting a numerical value to qualitative measurements? Total freedom score? What the hell is that? Who decides how someone "ranks" in that, even?

This, Daily POS, is why we can't have nice things.

 
KajakPro 2009-05-16 11:33:33 PM  
dySWN: Worst. Study. Evar.

When did we start putting a numerical value to qualitative measurements? Total freedom score? What the hell is that? Who decides how someone "ranks" in that, even?

This, Daily POS, is why we can't have nice things.


KOS debunked the graph.

 
FishStampede [TotalFark] 2009-05-16 11:43:26 PM  
FloydA: Every time I hear the word "freedom," my mind automatically translates it to "French."

Gee, thanks, now I'm doing that too, you French-hating commie.

 
RedThree 2009-05-17 12:13:15 AM  
VwlssWndr: Listerine: Daily Kos is a circle jerk in the form of a massive wall of text

Every time you open your mouth to comment in a political thread, I can smell the alcohol on your breath.


That's not alcohol.

/the Listerine washes the sin away
//take a wide stance on what sorts of sausage you eat

 
Sabyen91 [TotalFark] 2009-05-17 01:33:06 AM  
Krusty_the_Barbarian: Are you trolling Jackpot777, or do you just not understand what the Libertarian platform is? Anarchy is a political platform that believes in NO centralized government of any kind. Libertarians believe that the Federal government (read centralized government) should only have the powers it is granted in the Constitution. No where near the same thing.

Seriously? Libertarian platform? That seems to be an oxymoron to me.

 
artifishy 2009-05-17 01:38:24 AM  
Statistical evidence that some have their own brains and others need to be told to put teabags on their hats.

 
Virulency 2009-05-17 02:36:28 AM  
freedom is the cake that is a lie

 
Sabyen91 [TotalFark] 2009-05-17 02:38:26 AM  
Virulency: freedom is the cake that is a lie

YOU are the one who is the ball-licker.

 
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