Normally I don't really defend welfare but the biggest barriers between welfare and self sufficiency is transportation and technology training. Give 'em a car, a computer and a clothing allowance along with 18 months of benefits. If they succeed great if not, cut 'em lose and eliminate them from the welfare roles forever.

Fark a car, Boston area has great mass transit, give them a free transit pass for a year.

dodecahedron: Fark a car, Boston area has great mass transit, give them a free transit pass for a year.

I didn't think I'd be able to fit enough "THIS" into a single reply, so imagine me applauding that comment.

dodecahedron: Fark a car, Boston area has great mass transit, give them a free transit pass for a year.

Are you saying that everyone in Massachusetts lives in the Boston area?

Pocket Ninja: Are you saying that everyone in Massachusetts lives in the Boston area?

Everyone worth mentioning.

Massholes!

Is this we we go to whine about poor people getting a few bucks while corporations still rake in billions in corporate welfare.

well, they are donated cars...but the article doesn't mention how successful the program has been.

Bob16: Is this we we go to whine bat shiat crazy screeming socialism about poor people getting a few bucks while corporations still rake in billions in corporate welfare.

/ftfa


Spanky_McFarksalot: well, they are donated cars...but the article doesn't mention how successful the program has been.

fta:
program has saved the taxpayers $835,000 over the past three years

When I read the headline, the first thing I thought of was The Price is Right's theme music.

Bob16: Is this we we go

Put your we we away, son, it's not polite to take it out in public.

obzerver: program has saved the taxpayers $835,000 over the past three years

He says it but he doesn't say how that money was saved or provide anything to back up his claim. Politicians are good at claiming things that aren't necessarily true.

obzerver: Bob16: Is this we we go to whine bat shiat crazy screeming socialism about poor people getting a few bucks while corporations still rake in billions in corporate welfare.

/ftfa

Both are valid but yours is probably more current. Socialism does seem to have crept into most repub rants lately.

I guess thats a positive. It shows that their diatribes can vary by a word or two.

After you give them a car, give them some goddamn decent driving lessons.

/farking massholes.

I'll have cake.

peachpicker: Bob16: Is this we we go

Put your we we away, son, it's not polite to take it out in public.

Sorry. I thought i was standing next to Larry Craig.

Deval Patrick is a moron but, on this topic i agree with the charlatan. I also agree with Teddy on the subject that if they fail then cut them loose. 18 months is more that sufficient time to find a job.

TeddyBallGame: Give 'em a car, a computer and a clothing allowance along with 18 months of benefits. If they succeed great if not, cut 'em lose and eliminate them from the welfare roles forever.

Frankly, if what this article says is true, the cars are donated for this purpose anyway, and the total bill for the project is $400k annually. This is small potatoes -- small enough that, if it really does help people get jobs (and, living in a suburb with shiatty public transportation myself, I'd be willing to bet it does), then there's no reason whatsoever not to do it. Agonizing over this would be like fretting over spending $2 on bus fare to get to the hospital.

But can we use the car to go someplace where there's cheese?

co-conspirator: Pocket Ninja: Are you saying that everyone in Massachusetts lives in the Boston area?

Everyone worth mentioning.

So much fail, so little time.

Pocket Ninja: dodecahedron: Fark a car, Boston area has great mass transit, give them a free transit pass for a year.

Are you saying that everyone in Massachusetts lives in the Boston area?

That's true. I guess they'll have to invent buses in the other part of Mass.

Pocket Ninja: dodecahedron: Fark a car, Boston area has great mass transit, give them a free transit pass for a year.

Are you saying that everyone in Massachusetts lives in the Boston area?

If not half then close to half of the populace of Massachusetts lives within 10 miles of some form of public trans. Whether it be commuter rail, the T or some form of busing. Eastern part of the state its obviously the T and commuter rail, in the western part of the state the PVTA provides very inexpensive busing, if not free. Giving a free ride on public trans. to people on welfare to a job is a great idea. I could foresee some serious abuse with this after hours but with the advent of the charlie card having a time limit of 'free rides' is probably very plausible.

/it pisses me off beyond belief to hand out cars though. there is already enough traffic on the road.

Why do they need the AAA? I mean most regular people don't have AAA. That is like saying "oh, lets go ahead and give them each a Nav system also so they won't get lost while looking for work".

Talk about welfare state.....

Son of Thunder: But can we use the car to go someplace where there's cheese?

Are we men or are we mice ?

I like cheese.

Drive 'em like you don't own 'em!

This will end well.

So, a program that actually works. How about that.

/Herald = Beantown's Moonie Times

dodecahedron: Fark a car, Boston area has great mass transit, give them a free transit pass for a year.

Here's the thing: to qualify for the car you have to be outside of public transit routes. Also, kids, job, etc.

It's not "Escalades for welfare queens!" it's "Hey let's help this person get to work so they can keep their job and get off of welfare."

With an 80% success rate, I don't see the problem.

The H Dominator: /it pisses me off beyond belief to hand out cars though. there is already enough traffic on the road.

Indeed. I go to school in southern NH and I'm close enough to Boston that the traffic is pretty bad.

BobXXL: So, a program that actually works. How about that.

/Herald = Beantown's Moonie Times

Well, it saved $800,000 over 3 years and costs $1.2 million for 3yrs. I guess it does work, I guess when the cars they get no longer work they will get a new car from the government as well. Very nice little plan, anyone who can't afford a car we will give you one.

TheJoeY: dodecahedron: Fark a car, Boston area has great mass transit, give them a free transit pass for a year.

Here's the thing: to qualify for the car you have to be outside of public transit routes. Also, kids, job, etc.

It's not "Escalades for welfare queens!" it's "Hey let's help this person get to work so they can keep their job and get off of welfare."

With an 80% success rate, I don't see the problem.

Then why are people biatching? The cars are donated, and only for those outside public transit lines.

dodecahedron: Fark a car, Boston area has great mass transit, give them a free transit pass for a year.

RTFA and you'll find out that the program is state-wide. Oh and former Gov. Mitt Romney signed that program into law BTW when I lived in Boston. He's truly a moderate at heart.

Kevua: Why do they need the AAA? I mean most regular people don't have AAA. That is like saying "oh, lets go ahead and give them each a Nav system also so they won't get lost while looking for work".

AAA is $45 a year, and most poor people couldn't afford to get their car towed if they had trouble.

Podna: TheJoeY: dodecahedron: Fark a car, Boston area has great mass transit, give them a free transit pass for a year.

Here's the thing: to qualify for the car you have to be outside of public transit routes. Also, kids, job, etc.

It's not "Escalades for welfare queens!" it's "Hey let's help this person get to work so they can keep their job and get off of welfare."

With an 80% success rate, I don't see the problem.

Then why are people biatching? The cars are donated, and only for those outside public transit lines.

Because it's SOCIALISM! Those Lucky Duckys are getting something for nothing!

The H Dominator: Pocket Ninja: dodecahedron: Fark a car, Boston area has great mass transit, give them a free transit pass for a year.

Are you saying that everyone in Massachusetts lives in the Boston area?

If not half then close to half of the populace of Massachusetts lives within 10 miles of some form of public trans. Whether it be commuter rail, the T or some form of busing. Eastern part of the state its obviously the T and commuter rail, in the western part of the state the PVTA provides very inexpensive busing, if not free. Giving a free ride on public trans. to people on welfare to a job is a great idea. I could foresee some serious abuse with this after hours but with the advent of the charlie card having a time limit of 'free rides' is probably very plausible.

/it pisses me off beyond belief to hand out cars though. there is already enough traffic on the road.

What about the other half?

HeartBurnKid: The H Dominator: Pocket Ninja: dodecahedron: Fark a car, Boston area has great mass transit, give them a free transit pass for a year.

Are you saying that everyone in Massachusetts lives in the Boston area?

If not half then close to half of the populace of Massachusetts lives within 10 miles of some form of public trans. Whether it be commuter rail, the T or some form of busing. Eastern part of the state its obviously the T and commuter rail, in the western part of the state the PVTA provides very inexpensive busing, if not free. Giving a free ride on public trans. to people on welfare to a job is a great idea. I could foresee some serious abuse with this after hours but with the advent of the charlie card having a time limit of 'free rides' is probably very plausible.

/it pisses me off beyond belief to hand out cars though. there is already enough traffic on the road.

What about the other half?

Half was just a number I pulled out of my ass. If you take a look at the population densities in eastern MA, and then look at the commuter rail lines and T lines, you would see that a good percentage lives within 10 miles of some form of public transit (at least half). Hell I live in the sticks and a commuter rail is less then 10 miles from my house. The fact is if you don't live somewhere in mass where your not near public transit your probably to far from a job worth commuting to thus there is no point for getting a car .

HeartBurnKid: Podna: TheJoeY: dodecahedron: Fark a car, Boston area has great mass transit, give them a free transit pass for a year.

Here's the thing: to qualify for the car you have to be outside of public transit routes. Also, kids, job, etc.

It's not "Escalades for welfare queens!" it's "Hey let's help this person get to work so they can keep their job and get off of welfare."

With an 80% success rate, I don't see the problem.

Then why are people biatching? The cars are donated, and only for those outside public transit lines.

Because it's SOCIALISM! Those Lucky Duckys are getting something for nothing!

Pretty much. When you're trying to pare down a budget, welfare is the easiest to demonize.

So far, though, most people against it either willingly ignore its success rate, restrictions, etc. or have only heard "Free cars from welfare!!!1"

This article has more details.

Kevua:

I guess when the cars they get no longer work they will get a new car from the government as well. Very nice little plan, anyone who can't afford a car we will give you one.




PLEASE

heinekenftw: The H Dominator: /it pisses me off beyond belief to hand out cars though. there is already enough traffic on the road.

Indeed. I go to school in southern NH and I'm close enough to Boston that the traffic is pretty bad.

When I need to drive in to Boston in the mornings sometimes, Rt 3 and 93 make me almost homicidal.

I guess we can come to a compromise. As long as everyone stays off Rt.3 when I'm on Rt.3, I'm okay with this program.

The H Dominator: heinekenftw: The H Dominator: /it pisses me off beyond belief to hand out cars though. there is already enough traffic on the road.

Indeed. I go to school in southern NH and I'm close enough to Boston that the traffic is pretty bad.

When I need to drive in to Boston in the mornings sometimes, Rt 3 and 93 make me almost homicidal.

If you would just get out of my way I wouldn't have to cut you off.

A lot of programs "work well" when they start. Then there is the inevitable creep of expanding the qualifications to participate and somehow the program gets out of control!

Once you start giving free stuff to some people, others will always line up for their share of the goodies.

Excellent program. The government shouldn't stop there though. The States job is to care for its citizens, and it should provide cars for every individual that can't buy one on their own.

/looking forward to the future of our great land

obzerver: The H Dominator: heinekenftw: The H Dominator: /it pisses me off beyond belief to hand out cars though. there is already enough traffic on the road.

Indeed. I go to school in southern NH and I'm close enough to Boston that the traffic is pretty bad.

When I need to drive in to Boston in the mornings sometimes, Rt 3 and 93 make me almost homicidal.

If you would just get out of my way I wouldn't have to cut you off.

I have no issues with people driving like jackass. I drive in the left lane and if people try to pass me on the right I do everything in my power to cut them off, even if it means riding the car in front of me going 85 with no more then 4 ft of space. BUT, my main issue is just volume and stop and go.

/masshole
//out of staters stay in the middle and right lanes where you belong I have places I gotta get to.

Brockway: This just in...when you tax a corporation less than 100%, that isn't welfare.

Did AIG pay more in taxes last year than the bailout we gave them?

It's welfare.

Lando Lincoln: Brockway: This just in...when you tax a corporation less than 100%, that isn't welfare.

Did AIG pay more in taxes last year than the bailout we gave them?

It's welfare.

Nono, see, it's different, because if AIG was allowed to go under it would've had negative repercussions throughout the nation...

/which is completely different from welfare
//... not really.

Attention young Farkers: You will be hearing the "if just spent a little more money on them" argument for the rest of your lives.

heinekenftw: Indeed. I go to school in southern NH and I'm close enough to Boston that the traffic is pretty bad.

Daniel Webster fark yeah!

Must be nice, damn. I work, had to pay for my own car, am paying my own way through school (hello student loan debt).

These people aren't working, more than likely are not even trying to find work, and they are living better lives than me.fark it, I'm done being a responsible citizen. I'm going to quit my job, file for welfare, and live in relative prosperity. Why work in MA any more?

I hate my state, I hate my state, I HATE my STATE.

(ftr, I work for $9/hr at a retail store, used to be a waiter)