Really? Because it's not like the Geneva convention classified illegal combatants as criminals or murderers, right?

/Because, you know, people like to bring up the Hague Conference and Geneva convention in these aspects.

At least they won't have the blatant appearance of kangaroo courts.
Seriously? not letting the defense see the evidence? who the hell thought that was a good idea? even if just for appearances.

Wow the apologists have not filled this thread yet. Somebody better ring up AI and tell them to STFU about the whole breaking campaign promise talk.

"If you don't STFU, Lindsey, I'm going to rip your head off and shiat down your throat."

Lindsey is a girls name.

Great, like I need to hear anything new from Sen. Forrest Gump.

Lundah: Great, like I need to hear anything new from Sen. Forrest Gump.

Just listening to that guy is painful.

Try and milk it for all you can, Graham.

You're not going to get anything from it.

shanrick: Lindsey is a girls name.
Tell that to Mr. Buckingham.

Instead of the headline being about the breaking of a major campaign promise, Obamitter manages to turn it around on a Republican. Then again, Lindsay Graham is quite the turd.

It's amazing how Obama changes his mind once he gets all the facts, eh? He just keeps agreeing with Bush!!!

Again, I back Obama on this. Yikes.

So Obama has multiple conversations with Graham, then acted in a bi-partisan manner, with changes to the original plan.

Shocker!

/still waiting for a Republican to do the same
//not holding my breath

feckingmorons: Wow the apologists have not filled this thread yet. Somebody better ring up AI and tell them to STFU about the whole breaking campaign promise talk.

Let me put it this way: If Lindsey Graham, Obama probably screwed up. That said, these detainees are just one giant burning sack of crap left on Obama's doorstep by Bush. Whether he stomps on it or lets it burn, it's still going to smell like shiat.

Er, if Lindsey Graham approves, yada yada yada.

"Keep Terrorists Out of America Act"

We need an act for that?

mediablitz: So Obama has multiple conversations with Graham, then acted in a bi-partisan manner, with changes to the original plan.

Shocker!

/still waiting for a Republican to do the same
//not holding my breath

Stop it. This was a chickenshiat thing for Obama to do and isn't worth defending.

Proof:
3_Butt_Cheeks: Again, I back Obama on this. Yikes.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Again, I back Obama on this. Yikes.

Do you prefer mustard, too?

CHANGE tinkering at the margins we can believe in!

PerfectlyCromulent: Stop it. This was a chickenshiat thing for Obama to do and isn't worth defending.

Well, thanks for deciding my opinion for me. I don't see it as that black and white an issue. Until I see what procedural steps have been changed, I will reserve my final judgment. This was put in place for "a very small number of detainees". That tells me there were some very specific circumstances involved.

But thanks AGAIN for deciding you can tell me what my opinion is. Throwing in a quote from a troll was SO convincing.

But is Megan Fox bisexual?

mediablitz: PerfectlyCromulent: Stop it. This was a chickenshiat thing for Obama to do and isn't worth defending.

Well, thanks for deciding my opinion for me. I don't see it as that black and white an issue. Until I see what procedural steps have been changed, I will reserve my final judgment. This was put in place for "a very small number of detainees". That tells me there were some very specific circumstances involved.

But thanks AGAIN for deciding you can tell me what my opinion is. Throwing in a quote from a troll was SO convincing.

Oh get over yourself.

By reinstating military tribunals for suspected terrorists, President Obama's gave Sen. Lindsay Graham an opportunity to say "LOOK AT ME I'M AN ATTENTION WHORE." syncophants once again have to do a triple, flip-flop backflip to explain away his 180 degree shift in position and why they aren't screeching over something that they screamed bloody murder over when Bush attempted to use military tribunals.


/FTFY

Keep Terrorists Out of America Act

Uh... so far as prisons go, don't we already keep terrorists in America? For example:

Theodore Kaczynski
Eric Rudolph
Timothy McVeigh (prior to execution)
Terry Nichols

All have been kept in the Supermax prison in Colorado. It seems to be a good arrangement.

zefal: By reinstating military tribunals for suspected terrorists, President Obama's gave Sen. Lindsay Graham an opportunity to say "LOOK AT ME I'M AN ATTENTION WHORE." syncophants once again have to do a triple, flip-flop backflip to explain away his 180 degree shift in position and why they aren't screeching over something that they screamed bloody murder over when Bush attempted to use military tribunals.


/FTFY

Obama made clear before his election that he believes military tribunals have a place in our justice system, so long as things like torture and the "fruits" of those activities are not allowed.

And guess what? It's exactly what he's implementing. Do I agree entirely with it? No. Is he maintaining his pledge in this regard. Yes.

I sincerely don't believe people like yourself truly follow what he says.

WFern: Keep Terrorists Out of America Act

Uh... so far as prisons go, don't we already keep terrorists in America? For example:

Theodore Kaczynski
Eric Rudolph
Timothy McVeigh (prior to execution)
Terry Nichols

All have been kept in the Supermax prison in Colorado. It seems to be a good arrangement.

Pretty much. Hmm, I think these guys must all have something in common that the residents of Gitmo do not. Hmm. Think, R.O., think.

This is so disappointing. First holding up the bush administration's policy on global warming's role in the endangerment of polar bears and now this.

List of heroes:

Santa
Ghandi
Obama Bob's Big Boy

WFern: Obama made clear before his election that he believes military tribunals have a place in our justice system, so long as things like torture and the "fruits" of those activities are not allowed.

No he didn't you dumbass apologist. Christ.

Seriously, does someone from the White House write these side-splitting headlines? Headlines on Fark are suppose to at least attempt to be humorous, right?

Is there an exception to this rule when the purpose is to put forth obama spin on his latest backtrack on one of his self-righteous policies?

Damned if this governing thing isn't more complicated than that campaigning thing.

PascalsGhost: No he didn't you dumbass apologist. Christ.

It was all over NPR today, chief. Maybe if you'd follow the news and stopped getting your talking points from pundits and Fark headlines, you'd have some information.

WFern:

How many headline submissions have you made to get 88 approved headlines in a two-year span?

It has been over core principles, with Democrats decrying a "shadow justice system" and claiming that "Our Constitution and our Uniform Code of Military Justice provide a framework for dealing with the terrorists."

The latter quote is from a speech by Senator Obama in 2007 denouncing "a legal framework that does not work." He also referred to the civilian criminal justice system and courts martial that Democrats then claimed, and many still claim, are the right venues for antiterror prosecutions. After the Supreme Court's Boumediene decision gave terrorists habeas rights, Mr. Obama again laid into the Bush Administration's "legal black hole" and "dangerously flawed legal approach," which "undermines the very values we are fighting to defend."

At least some people in the White House must now be embarrassed by their boss's switcheroo, though you can't tell from Friday's declaration. Part of the tribunal face-lift is that "the accused will have greater latitude in selecting their counsel." Say what? Enemy combatants already have better access to attorneys -- white shoe and pro bono, no less -- than nearly every criminal defendant in America. Perhaps this means Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 90 Yemenis and the rest will now be able to choose lawyers from both Shearman & Sterling and Covington & Burling, instead of one or the other.

Link (new window)

zefal: WFern:

How many headline submissions have you made to get 88 approved headlines in a two-year span?

A lot, though almost all are bizarre items or entertainment "news."

Obama Breaks Major Campaign Promise as Military Commissions Resume, Says Amnesty International (new window)

"President Obama is reinstating the same deeply-flawed military commissions that in June 2008 he called an 'enormous failure.' In one swift move, Obama both backtracks on a major campaign promise to change the way the United States fights terrorism and undermines the nation's core respect for the rule of law by sacrificing due process for political expediency....

WFern: PascalsGhost: No he didn't you dumbass apologist. Christ.

It was all over NPR today, chief. Maybe if you'd follow the news and stopped getting your talking points from pundits and Fark headlines, you'd have some information.

I'm sorry when has NPR had news?

You dumbass apologist. Christ.

/that is going in my email sig

zefal: Obama Breaks Major Campaign Promise as Military Commissions Resume, Says Amnesty International (new window)

"President Obama is reinstating the same deeply-flawed military commissions that in June 2008 he called an 'enormous failure.' In one swift move, Obama both backtracks on a major campaign promise to change the way the United States fights terrorism and undermines the nation's core respect for the rule of law by sacrificing due process for political expediency....

Thank you for confirming my point. The "enormous failure" was the tribunal system under the Bush administration, including torture and a lack of habeas corpus. It's also, again, why he stated these tribunals "have a place" in our justice system.

WFern: PascalsGhost: No he didn't you dumbass apologist. Christ.

It was all over NPR today, chief. Maybe if you'd follow the news and stopped getting your talking points from pundits and Fark headlines, you'd have some information.

That would be this report to be exact. But I'm sure the "Obama breaks major promise" line didn't come out of nowhere and someone can link to where Obama said he wouldn't use military tribunals.

feckingmorons: It was all over NPR today, chief. Maybe if you'd follow the news and stopped getting your talking points from pundits and Fark headlines, you'd have some information.

I'm sorry when has NPR had news?

You dumbass apologist. Christ.

/that is going in my email sig



Suck it.

shanrick: Lindsey is a girls name.

And Graham is a cracker's name.

The Obama team has been talking about coming up with a "hybrid system" since at least November 2008, if not earlier.

Obama Admin back in November 2008: "It would have to be some sort of hybrid legal system, rather than kangaroo courts."

Lindsay Graham yesterday: "We've got a chance to start over and do what I wanted to do seven years ago. That is, to create a hybrid system that will . . . make sure that every detainee has robust due process, but that every case is reviewed from a national security perspective."


But carry on with your manufactured controversies and faux-outrage, wingnuts.

Relatively Obscure: Pretty much. Hmm, I think these guys must all have something in common that the residents of Gitmo do not. Hmm. Think, R.O., think.

Americans?

OK, how about Ramzi Yousef (first WTC bombing, and Richard Reid (shoe bomber)?

Not Americans. Both in a deep, dark hole..on American soil.

WFern: It was all over NPR today, chief. Maybe if you'd follow the news and stopped getting your t

I'm a lefty. I followed Obama. Obama never said that campaigning. I don't give a shiat what NPR says you retard. I can link to QUOTES from the motherfarker where he says they are the devils work.


Suck Obama's cock and you are just as responsible for the country going to shiat and the Bushiates.

WFern: feckingmorons: It was all over NPR today, chief. Maybe if you'd follow the news and stopped getting your talking points from pundits and Fark headlines, you'd have some information.

I'm sorry when has NPR had news?

You dumbass apologist. Christ.

/that is going in my email sig



Suck it.

"Military commissions have a long tradition in the United States. They are appropriate for trying enemies who violate the laws of war, provided that they are properly structured and administered," Obama said.


He said that today dumbass. Not on the campaign.

feckingmorons: I'm sorry when has NPR had news?

LOL WUT?

WFern: Uh... so far as prisons go, don't we already keep terrorists in America? For example:

Theodore Kaczynski
Eric Rudolph
Timothy McVeigh (prior to execution)
Terry Nichols

All have been kept in the Supermax prison in Colorado. It seems to be a good arrangement.

but,but they'll escape and kill us all!! these aren't ordinary thugs. these are super brilliant masterminds who can do things like an evil McGuyver. They'll take a spoon and a fork and make a dirty bomb with it. Ask Cheney.

Alphax: feckingmorons: I'm sorry when has NPR had news?

LOL WUT?

In the right wing apologist world, such as Fox News, only RNC and Bush/Cheney talking points are considered news. Everything else is "duh librul medium!"

It's egotism at it's finest most repulsive.

I feel bad for Graham. Only a pair of cruel parents would give a boy a girls name.

Pussy.

PascalsGhost: Suck Obama's cock and you are just as responsible for the country going to shiat and the Bushiates.

Then put up or shut up. Read the link odinsposse provided.

...Oh, I forgot. That would contradict your predetermined views.

PascalsGhost: "Military commissions have a long tradition in the United States. They are appropriate for trying enemies who violate the laws of war, provided that they are properly structured and administered," Obama said.


He said that today dumbass. Not on the campaign.

He repeated it today and said it in the past.