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"No cash from chaos? what about a "Filthy Lucre" reunion tour then?"

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You didn't just associate Green Day with punk did you? No, seriously, you didn't really just do that, right?

Damn...now i have to dig DEEP into my CDs and find my Siouxsie collection. Good stuff.

Siouxsie was sooooo farking hot back in the day.

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You didn't just associate Green Day with punk did you? No, seriously, you didn't really just do that, right?

No, I associated them with labels and consumerism.


\\The wonders don't care

oh your city lies in dust...

Yep.. and it's coming sooner than we might think

I love her, but oh man, her solo album was the pits -- overproduced and too "shiny" sounding. The lack of Budgie's drums was glaring and painful.

Hey, Siouxsie, wanna fark?

The punk ethos was to have an open mind.

I thought the punk ethos was to argue incessantly about who is and who isn't a real punk.

I don't know, I think Bad Religion has kept the punk ethos alive pretty well.

ne2d: The punk ethos was to have an open mind.

I thought the punk ethos was to argue incessantly about who is and who isn't a real punk.

Have you met wee?

/jk

Also, say whatever you want about the tenants of punk, at least it's an ethos.

/dont' know how well that works.

"Now it's all labels and consumerism"

We need the "Well, DUHHH!" Mr Burns pic.

I thought it was all about rebelling against conformity by forming a closed group of like minded individuals who all dress and act the same.

As long as you kids stay off my lawn, I'll let you in on a little secret:

If you can buy it at the mall, it isn't "counterculture"

Aarontology: I thought it was all about rebelling against conformity by forming a closed group of like minded individuals who all dress and act the same.

Like a fraternity!

It Smee: Aarontology: I thought it was all about rebelling against conformity by forming a closed group of like minded individuals who all dress and act the same.

Like a fraternity!

Yeah, but with heroin instead of roofies.

NuttierThanEver: Siouxsie was sooooo farking hot back in the day.

My favorite part of the infamous Bill Grundy interview with the Sex Pistols, up until Steve Jones calls him a "dirty farker" and a "farkin' rotter", is when Grundy, who apparently was about half in the bag when he did this interview, pretty blatantly tries to pick up Siouxie.

Apparently, that's what pissed Steve Jones off enough to drop the f-bomb.

benlonghair: I don't know, I think Bad Religion has kept the punk ethos alive pretty well.

You mean the part where Brad Gurewitz stated Epitaph Records, and then made a distribution deal with Sony so that "punk rock" bands would be in every Best Buy and Media Play in the land? And then signing such "underground" bands as the Offspring, Rancid, New and Found Glory? And then making sure those bands were all over MTV in the 90's, with tours sponsored by Target and Miller Lite? Yeah, that was pretty punk rock of them. I'm glad they're not into all that consumerist jive.

I have one word for you.

Fugazi

GreenAdder: benlonghair: I don't know, I think Bad Religion has kept the punk ethos alive pretty well.

You mean the part where Brad Gurewitz stated Epitaph Records, and then made a distribution deal with Sony so that "punk rock" bands would be in every Best Buy and Media Play in the land? And then signing such "underground" bands as the Offspring, Rancid, New and Found Glory? And then making sure those bands were all over MTV in the 90's, with tours sponsored by Target and Miller Lite? Yeah, that was pretty punk rock of them. I'm glad they're not into all that consumerist jive.

Oh no you di'n't say Rancid isn't punk. I don't know if you noticed, but Epitaph is a record company, and if they want to reach their audience, the CDs should be sold at Best Buy, etc. That doesn't change the bands or the message; they do that themselves. Also Epitaph signs all kinds of bands, not everyone who doesn't sound like The Exploited is a poseur. If you don't think Epitaph is doing a good thing for the music world or their artists, you need to come up with something better or get your head out of your ass.

scotto: I have one word for you.

Fugazi

I have two words for you

Dead Kennedys

and two more

Circle Jerks

two more

Black Flag

two more

Minor Threat

two more

Bad Brains

two more

Radio Birdman

two more

The Stranglers

Two more

The Germs

Feel free to add to this. I welcome all suggestions

/not to say Fugazi is not a valid statement in this thread, just wanted to diversify with some of my favorite punk band s with a punk ethos.

Siouxsie was Goth before goth was Goth. For better or worse, she practically invented the hot goth girl look.


And she seems to be holding up nicely.

GRUNDY: Are you worried or just enjoying yourself?

SIOUXSIE: Enjoying myself.

GRUNDY: Are you?

SIOUXSIE: Yeah.

GRUNDY: Ah! That's what I thought you were doing.

SIOUXSIE: I've always wanted to meet you.

GRUNDY: Did you really?

SIOUXSIE: Yeah.

GRUNDY: We'll meet afterwards, shall we?

STEVE: You dirty sod. You dirty old man.

GRUNDY: Well keep going, chief. Keep going. Go on, you've got another ten seconds. Say something outrageous.

STEVE: You dirty bastard.

GRUNDY: Go on, again.

STEVE: You dirty farker!

GRUNDY: What a clever boy.

STEVE: You farking rotter!

GRUNDY (to the camera): Well that's it for tonight. I'll be seeing you soon. I hope l'll not be seeing you (the band) again. From me though, goodnight.

jerkobson: scotto: I have one word for you.

Fugazi

I have two words for you

Dead Kennedys

and two more

Circle Jerks

two more

Black Flag

two more

Minor Threat

two more

Bad Brains

two more

Radio Birdman

two more

The Stranglers

Two more

The Germs

Feel free to add to this. I welcome all suggestions

/not to say Fugazi is not a valid statement in this thread, just wanted to diversify with some of my favorite punk band s with a punk ethos.

I believe he was speaking of bands that are still in this day and age "punk". You just rattled off a bunch of defunct ones.

Eshy: jerkobson: scotto: I have one word for you.

Fugazi

I have two words for you

Dead Kennedys

and two more

Circle Jerks

two more

Black Flag

two more

Minor Threat

two more

Bad Brains

two more

Radio Birdman

two more

The Stranglers

Two more

The Germs

Feel free to add to this. I welcome all suggestions

/not to say Fugazi is not a valid statement in this thread, just wanted to diversify with some of my favorite punk band s with a punk ethos.

I believe he was speaking of bands that are still in this day and age "punk". You just rattled off a bunch of defunct ones.

Fair enough. Though the bad brains are still together.

Point taken however and I now hang my head in shame.

Only one thing more pathetic than a bunch of emo/goth kids arguing about who is more emo/goth than the other.

When so-called punks do the same.

jeepers creepers. hey, did anyone notice that her music is HORRIBLE?

The game has changed a bit in the last 30 years. Then, saying "Fark" in a song guaranteed zero airplay, or mainstream notice (which the real punks didn't give a shiat about anyway).

Today they'll just put out an edited version and play it on Top 40 radio. Granted, the bands that do it can be sanitized emo poseurs who think they're "punk" (I'm looking at you, Fallout Boy), but it's still a pretty radical change.

UncleScam: jeepers creepers. hey, did anyone notice that her music is HORRIBLE?

I see what you did there.

Liked the Banshees when Robert Smith played a stint.

I am gonna get killed for saying this but here goes:

I am not a fan. I think every band she was ever in was crap and every record she made was crap. There was no one more "Style over substance" during the punk days than Siouxsie. She was a talentless hack. She was in the first wave of the "we're not even trying" approach that became way too identified with punk rock and I will not forgive her for it. That attitude and Sid-style nihilism came to define the movement and ended up killing it.

Just my opinion, you are allowed to like her if you wish.

The next person to dis Siouxsie gets a cockpunch

Kuta: Only one thing more pathetic than a bunch of emo/goth kids arguing about who is more emo/goth than the other.

When so-called punks do the same.

This. Like what you like. The only people who really give a shiat about the genres are generally douchebags. Who cares what is punk/emo/goth/metal or not? If you dig the music, that's all that matters.

CPennypacker
The next person to dis Siouxsie gets a cockpunch

Siouxsie? More like Suckie!

I just want everyone here to know, that you all look really great in those pants.

Aging leaders of artistic expression cultures are always pretty funny. It's either "The kids don't know what it meant, get off my lawn," or it's Kurt Cobain with them.

I dunno why they are always so surprised when their style gets milked for cash anyway. At least Jello saw it coming.

Creative? Meh, bunch of youngsters who couldn't even keep up with glam rock, much less with prog rock.

Ethos my ass.

ne2d: I thought the punk ethos was to argue incessantly about who is and who isn't a real punk.

Aarontology: I thought it was all about rebelling against conformity by forming a closed group of like minded individuals who all dress and act the same.

This.

That said, there a lot of great bands from this musical genre if you just ignore the annoying scene associated with them.

Saw Siouxsie a few years back. An absolutely AMAZING show with stuff from the Banshees and the Creatures. Christ, that woman has a great voice.

Yeah, she's probably right.
Too bad she can't sing anymore.

The thing with punk seems to be a bit like the thing with Guitar Hero, a bunch of stiffs who insisted, some still insist on standing around and shouting "Stop that! Stop having fun!". While critics get lost on the social commentary of some punk bands, really it was about just having fun.

It always was about labels and consumerism. Powell, Independence, Doc Martin, Knox Gel, etc...

/over 40
//I was PUNK RAWK before you were
///get off my pesticide-free, organic lawn

Eshy: jerkobson: scotto: I have one word for you.

Fugazi

I have two words for you

Dead Kennedys

and two more

Circle Jerks

two more

Black Flag

two more

Minor Threat

two more

Bad Brains

two more

Radio Birdman

two more

The Stranglers

Two more

The Germs

Feel free to add to this. I welcome all suggestions

/not to say Fugazi is not a valid statement in this thread, just wanted to diversify with some of my favorite punk band s with a punk ethos.

I believe he was speaking of bands that are still in this day and age "punk". You just rattled off a bunch of defunct ones.

Well how about...
Dillinger Four
Against Me!
Off With Their Heads
The Lawrence Arms
Teenage Bottlerocket
Bomb The Music Industry!

GreenAdder: benlonghair: I don't know, I think Bad Religion has kept the punk ethos alive pretty well.

You mean the part where Brad Gurewitz stated Epitaph Records, and then made a distribution deal with Sony so that "punk rock" bands would be in every Best Buy and Media Play in the land? And then signing such "underground" bands as the Offspring, Rancid, New and Found Glory? And then making sure those bands were all over MTV in the 90's, with tours sponsored by Target and Miller Lite? Yeah, that was pretty punk rock of them. I'm glad they're not into all that consumerist jive.

HA! I was waiting for one of you stupid punkers to come along and call something not punk. It is funny that you think that the Offspring were a well-known band when Gurewitz signed them. They were relatively unknown until their third album for Epitaph(notice how their first album was also on Epitaph).

For future reference, the next time you refer to the Offspring as being a bunch of mass-market sellouts, try complaining about how they left Epitaph to sign to Columbia. That is generally how the other, more knowledgeable punkers do it.

I don't know they could be a mainstream band without even releasing an album. I guess I might not be "punk" enough to know. Either that or you are 12 years old and don't remember a time before Ixnay on the Hombre.

Then you have Rancid, who also released their first album with Epitaph.

Know what else isn't punk? Arguing on the internet about what isn't punk.

Peek-A-Boo > all

A very insightful article from a very original woman. Good to see there's still artists out there who are capable of critical thought and originality.

Plus, I loved the mention about Adam Ant.

/Antmusic for sexpeople.

Let's not overlook the virtues of Siouxsie in a catsuit.

/is it just me, or does one of those guys look like a very sullen Donald Sutherland?



Saw her live in Atlanta once. She puts on one hell of a show.

Siouxsie still holds up more than almost any band from "back in the day." I love her music. So good.

This is the happy house. We're happy here. In the happy house...

They just don't make music like that anymore.