"Lord thundering jaysus... even we don't waith that long." - Canada

That's right - keep yourself bent over with your butt-cheeks pried apart lest ye offend the private insurance companies!

So you're saying the solution is to decrease the number of people able to get health care instead of increasing the number of doctors?

What a load of crap. FU submitter.

really? when more people have health insurance, more people go to the dr? unpossible.

you're all blonde, dammit, you're blonde to the enviable!!!

If someone wants health care she can work harder and make it worth an employer's $$$$ to pay for it. I fail to see how this is government's business.

flaEsq: If someone wants health care she can work harder and make it worth an employer's $$$$ to pay for it. I fail to see how this is government's business.

That is some intelligent analysis right there. You am smart.

flaEsq: If someone wants health care she can work harder and make it worth an employer's $$$$ to pay for it. I fail to see how this is government's business.

Health Care, but only if you can afford it. Otherwise, rot in a gutter.

That's a rallying cry right there.

Jaboobinator "flaEsq: If someone wants health care she can work harder and make it worth an employer's $$$$ to pay for it. I fail to see how this is government's business.

That is some intelligent analysis right there. You am smart."

To be fair, flaEsq is suffering from the combined issues of being a lawyer and living in Florida.

Its a tragedy I tells ya

flaEsq: If someone wants health care she can work harder and make it worth an employer's $$$$ to pay for it. I fail to see how this is government's business.

Yeah, fark the poor, that's the American way!

I think the answer to this is the way this has been going economically already. Nurses.

Nurses have gone from menial labor to the most active part of clinical care. They're the health care version of Senior NCOs. At the least, it'll be at the NP/PA level, and doctors will take more of an advisory role, and do things like surgery.

'course, the docs have been fighting exactly this for quite some time. This spring, the AMA released a paper espousing on just how crappy nurses really were, and they shouldn't be doing anything important- we needed doctors, lots and lots more doctors, and we needed to pay 'em more, too!

Gee, reminds me of insurance company spokespeople who feed the Republicans anti-UHC talking points. You don't think it's because they have a vested interest in the system staying that way, regardless of whether or not it works the best?

flaEsq: If someone wants health care she can work harder and make it worth an employer's $$$$ to pay for it. I fail to see how this is government's business.

Yes - the government should concentrate on bombing the sh*t out of third world countries and paying for the clean-up afterwards!

40yoVirgin: Jaboobinator "flaEsq: If someone wants health care she can work harder and make it worth an employer's $$$$ to pay for it. I fail to see how this is government's business.

That is some intelligent analysis right there. You am smart."

To be fair, flaEsq is suffering from the combined issues of being a lawyer and living in Florida.

Its a tragedy I tells ya

I would check the batteries on your Sarcasm-o-matic, I think they are on the fritz.

So what Subby is saying is that we should not cover as many people as possible so that people that can afford unreasonably high insurance premiums don't have to wait as long. Interesting hypothesis.

But the authors also pointed to the more than 400,000 newly insured residents flooding doctors' offices, and said the long waits in Boston "may signal what could happen nationally in the event that access to healthcare is expanded through healthcare reform."


So we need more doctors and nurses.

What a shock.

The only reason the wait is so long is because they have to keep shutting down doctor's offices due to errant Lite-Brites.

A study of five specialties shows that the wait for a nonurgent appointment in the Boston area has increased in the past five years, and now averages 50 days - more than three weeks longer than in any other city studied. Excerpt from the article.

A year? Or a month or two.
I still say there should be requirements for participation in free health care.
And unless Obama's plans draw heavily from Boston, how is it his vision of the future of national health care?

I messed up the tag, but I like it that way.

US armed forces socialized health care is pretty good

Obdicut: I messed up the tag, but I like it that way.

What was it supposed to be?

Hey Subby, if you don't like socialized health care, you can still use your health care plan. No one's stopping you. At all.

7of7: So you're saying the solution is to decrease the number of people able to get health care instead of increasing the number of doctors?

If only it were that easy -- as if we could snap our fingers and create robo-doctors out of thin air.

Becoming a doctor isn't easy. If it were, then everyone would be doing it.

Shostie: Obdicut: I messed up the tag, but I like it that way.

What was it supposed to be?

GAT_00: flaEsq: If someone wants health care she can work harder and make it worth an employer's $$$$ to pay for it. I fail to see how this is government's business.

Yeah, fark the poor, that's the American republican way!

FTFY

Obdicut: A study of five specialties shows that the wait for a nonurgent appointment in the Boston area has increased in the past five years, and now averages 50 daysfarking panic!

I thought that was the point of implementing a universal health care plan though -- it would allow people to get preventative care instead of waiting for an urgent situation and then flooding the emergency room. Are the means really leading to the ends if that is the goal? It doesn't sound like it.

Jaboobinator: What a load of crap. FU submitter.

What a detailed analysis and counterpoint. Good work.

flaEsq: If someone wants health care she can work harder and make it worth an employer's $$$$ to pay for it. I fail to see how this is government's business.

Yeah i can understand why you would failed to see that but have you figured out why your side can't seem to win an election.

Stay stupid loser.

KaponoFor3: 7of7: So you're saying the solution is to decrease the number of people able to get health care instead of increasing the number of doctors?

If only it were that easy -- as if we could snap our fingers and create robo-doctors out of thin air.

Becoming a doctor isn't easy. If it were, then everyone would be doing it.

But everyone assures me that all the best doctors in the world flock to America because of our glorious free market system.

Where the hell are they?

KaponoFor3: Obdicut: A study of five specialties shows that the wait for a nonurgent appointment in the Boston area has increased in the past five years, and now averages 50 daysfarking panic!

I thought that was the point of implementing a universal health care plan though -- it would allow people to get preventative care instead of waiting for an urgent situation and then flooding the emergency room. Are the means really leading to the ends if that is the goal? It doesn't sound like it.

Mass doesn't have universal health care. It has a law saying you must have private insurance if you can afford it.

I meant my <I> tag. And my </B> tag. And my spacing.

video man: Hey Subby, if you don't like socialized health care, you can still use your health care plan. No one's stopping you. At all.

Just make sure you pay the taxes on that health care plan!

/If I don't like socialized health care, do I still have to pay for it?

KaponoFor3: 7of7: So you're saying the solution is to decrease the number of people able to get health care instead of increasing the number of doctors?

If only it were that easy -- as if we could snap our fingers and create robo-doctors out of thin air.

Becoming a doctor isn't easy. If it were, then everyone would be doing it.

Becoming a doctor is far harder and more expensive than it needs to be, and we also have an artificially created shortage of doctors.

I mean hell, 99% of going to the doctor is, "Here's a prescription for your drugs."

flaEsq: If someone wants health care she can work harder and make it worth an employer's $$$$ to pay for it. I fail to see how this is government's business.

The other day my house caught on fire but I couldn't do anything about it because I was between jobs and didn't have employer fire service insurance.

Sometimes you have to stop and think.

soy_bomb: /If I don't like socialized health care, do I still have to pay for it?

Yes. If you don't like that then you can go teabag some people.

soy_bomb: video man: Hey Subby, if you don't like socialized health care, you can still use your health care plan. No one's stopping you. At all.

Just make sure you pay the taxes on that health care plan!

/If I don't like socialized health care, do I still have to pay for it?

If I don't like our out of control defense spending, do I still have to pay for it?

You should see how long the wait is if you don't have insurace or money.

It's sad that there are women waiting for gynecology appointments when there are so many Farkers sitting idle who'd be willing to give a layman's opinion.

KaponoFor3: I thought that was the point of implementing a universal health care plan though -- it would allow people to get preventative care instead of waiting for an urgent situation and then flooding the emergency room. Are the means really leading to the ends if that is the goal? It doesn't sound like it.

I love how ready you are to dismiss universal health care based on this. Why are you so ready to come to conclusions on this system based on one article with no sources?

And why do you skip over stuff like this:

Waits increased since 2004 for appointments with dermatologists, obstetrician-gynecologists, and orthopedic surgeons, but patients can get in faster now to see cardiologists; Boston ranked fourth in waits for heart doctors, behind Minneapolis, Miami, and San Diego.

KaponoFor3: Becoming a doctor isn't easy. If it were, then everyone would be doing it.

Are you aware that the number of entrances to med schools-- and therefore doctors-- are artificially constrained?

Bob16: Yeah i can understand why you would failed to see that but have you figured out why your side can't seem to win an election.

The losing candidate didn't promise enough free stuff?

I live in Boston. I saw my doctor a few weeks ago. I scheduled the appointment the day before. It turns out, that mole isn't cancer, it's just a mole.

/relieved.

Also, I work next to the biggest trauma center in New England, which also serves as the "Public" hospital. I don't often see people waiting in lines.

video man: If I don't like our out of control defense spending, do I still have to pay for it?

Defense spending is one of the few things the Government spends money on that is in the Constitution. Health Care isn't.

The thing that baffles me: our current system is undeniably inefficient. There's another idea out there with the potential to increase efficiency and reduce cost. I'm not saying the new plan definitely will do this, but there's a solid chance. And nothing's permanent. If it doesn't work there will eventually be another idea. But people are immediately unwilling to consider it.

I really don't get it.

Doctor shortages could be aided greatly by making all drugs non-prescription.

Why do I have to pay someone and tell them a story in order to buy my oxycotin?

People should just diagnose themselves with the aid of the internet and order whatever they can afford.

It would solve problems as diverse as low sales for new cars, high amortization for new drugs and lack of data on the long term effects of things like HGH.

I use the doctors in MA, never waited more than a few days to get into my primary.

Yeeeeaaaah, none of this has to do with the fact that by MA going alone into the breech and mandating universal health care amid the current disaster of an insurance/healthcare system nation-wide they are completely unable to change any of the rules. It's like playing Indian Poker while everyone else at the table is still playing Texas Hold'em. The doctors are still strapped to the same HMO restrictions and insurance flaws of the old ways while they're taxed with an influx of new patients trying to use their coverage gotten by the new ways. It's overflowing the doctor workloads, it's bankrupting the state budget, and it's causing internal turmoils in the insurance offices. What MA *needs* to fix the problems in the article (and others that weren't even covered) is for EVERYONE to change over to the same system (you know, how Obama wants to do it). What's described here is primarily issues due purely to the fact that MA was leading the way and cutting against the grain compared to how it's always been done.

HotWingConspiracy: Where the hell are they?

They are here -- this article talks more about the quantity of doctors and not their quality.

Donald_McRonald: Mass doesn't have universal health care. It has a law saying you must have private insurance if you can afford it.

So somewhat like California's law on having auto insurance?

Obdicut: I love how ready you are to dismiss universal health care based on this. Why are you so ready to come to conclusions on this system based on one article with no sources?

I'm not. I was commenting about whether or not the means of the Mass. plan reach the ends it desires to achieve... and I'm not skipping over cardiology waits dropping -- that's a fantastic thing, as preventive cardiology care is needed for many people. That doesn't mean that the other subspecialties are not important as well.

Obdicut: Are you aware that the number of entrances to med schools-- and therefore doctors-- are artificially constrained?

Since I'm not a doctor/has never applied to med school (or even looked it up), no I was not aware of that. [Citation] for further information? Is it federal regulations which cap entrances to med schools? Or is it only a few that do it privately?

KaponoFor3: If only it were that easy -- as if we could snap our fingers and create robo-doctors out of thin air.

This looks like a job for...


Dr. Ball, M.D.

people: US armed forces socialized health care is pretty good

That's because it's paid for by the rest of the nation.

That socialist system can work because a massive capitalist system backs it up.