Jesus fark.

Duh.

Dick Cheney needs to be indicted, hopefully convicted, and sent to prison to rot for the rest of his disgusting, miserable life. He is the absolute lowest of the low.

Dick may get exactly what he wants if he's not careful. Maybe not just the memos he's looking for...

Torture works. If by 'works' you mean getting people to confess to whatever you believe them to be guilty of. If you mean actionable, truthful intelligence, not so much.

Does this shock anyone?

SusanIvanova: Torture works. If by 'works' you mean getting people to confess to whatever you believe them to be guilty of. If you mean actionable, truthful intelligence, not so much.

Sadly, the reality based community has been particularly hard on Mr. Cheney and his adherents...

Unbelievable.

Wait - no it isn't.

I am wondering what is worse. The fact that he ordered it, or the complete and total lack of surprise now that it has been revealed.

for the love of god... will somebody please indict this man and put him on trial.

No wonder he's been all over TV in a desperate attempt to get people used to the idea that this was/is necessary/normal/no big deal.

If only we had known that this administration was breaking laws and wiping their asses with the constitution 6 years ago...

Damn. Blocked at work. Streaming Video and all that.

Anywhere this is in text?

Action Replay Nick: No wonder he's been all over TV in a desperate attempt to get people used to the idea that this was/is necessary/normal/no big deal.

Pretty much. Between his daughter, and his own appearances, he's attempting to cover his own ass.

What is going to be fun, is if Obama "relents" and releases all the memos--not just the cherry picked ones that Cheney is hoping for. Cheney's worst nightmare is if actually "wins" this little game of chicken...

I bet the next admission is that Cheney waterboarded people personally.

timmy_the_tooth: I bet the next admission is that Cheney waterboarded people personally.

i'm guessing he rubbed one out from behind a two-way mirror at the very least.

You are all a bunch of pussies. If it works for Jack Bauer that's good enough for me.

There are clear links between Saddam and Osama bin Laden. They were both born in the desert. They both like South Park. WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED?!

Dick Cheney is a national hero and should be given the Congressional Medal of Honor. No, he should get TWO of them.

But he only wanted what was best for America!

Hey, Republican apologizes. Get in here. I want to see you worthless bastards try to spin this.

timmy_the_tooth: If only we had known that this administration was breaking laws and wiping their asses with the constitution 6 years ago...

everyone was busy trying to play tough guy

NewportBarGuy: You are all a bunch of commie pussies. If it works for Jack Bauer that's good enough for me.

There are clear links between Saddam and Osama bin Laden. They were both born in the desert. They both like guest-starred on South Park. WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED?!

Dick Cheney is a national hero and should be given the Congressional Medal of Honor. No, he should get TWO 911 of them.

/Patriotism Nazi.

Goddammitsomuch. They really were cartoon villains. How in the f*ck did the Gimp and the Chimp get elected? TWICE?!?

and he's still a free man because ________

No_47: and he's still a free man because ________

The Supreme Court would likely rule that actions by the executive branch done in relation to official matters would be immune to prosecution out of fear of causing future administrations apprehension of acting in the best interest of the country. ESPECIALLY if someone like Pelosi had knowledge, given her rank and committee memberships, they'd view that as a tacit consent on behalf of the legislative, giving a great deal of deference to the executive actions.

I'm not saying it's guaranteed, but I doubt that Cheney would be held to an international standard if he wasn't held to a domestic standard.

El Chode: No_47: and he's still a free man because ________

The Supreme Court would likely rule that actions by the executive branch done in relation to official matters would be immune to prosecution out of fear of causing future administrations apprehension of acting in the best interest of the country. ESPECIALLY if someone like Pelosi had knowledge, given her rank and committee memberships, they'd view that as a tacit consent on behalf of the legislative, giving a great deal of deference to the executive actions.

I'm not saying it's guaranteed, but I doubt that Cheney would be held to an international standard if he wasn't held to a domestic standard.

Also, it was from someone in the office of the Vice President, not necessarily the Veep himself. It's the thinnest, threadbare shred of plausible deniability. Even if it wasn't him, though, and he can genuinely claim no knowledge, doesn't that raise the questions, why was he letting his staff run wild and why the hell did they have the authority to issue orders to military interrogators?

Occam's Chainsaw: Also, it was from someone in the office of the Vice President, not necessarily the Veep himself. It's the thinnest, threadbare shred of plausible deniability. Even if it wasn't him, though, and he can genuinely claim no knowledge, doesn't that raise the questions, why was he letting his staff run wild and why the hell did they have the authority to issue orders to military interrogators?

I was going to add something like that to my post, but I got lazy. I wondered how far down the chain of agency the immunity would go. A lot of Nixon's henchmen tried to claim immunity because they didn't know the nature of what they were assisting with (Watergate) and just followed orders.

Also, of course Watergate wasn't even within the scope of executive duty, but that's a different issue.

El Chode: Also, of course Watergate wasn't even within the scope of executive duty, but that's a different issue.

I don't think "use coercive tactics to fabricate evidence that retroactively justifies a war" falls under the scope of the Super-Secret Not Executive Vice President branch. I have no way of knowing, though, as every document ever referring to the Office of the Vice President has been completely redacted.

Gee, that sounds awfully familiar.

Occam's Chainsaw: I don't think "use coercive tactics to fabricate evidence that retroactively justifies a war" falls under the scope of the Super-Secret Not Executive Vice President branch. I have no way of knowing, though, as every document ever referring to the Office of the Vice President has been completely redacted.

True, but I don't think any inquiry would progress to that point of analysis. I have this feeling it'd stop at "the executive's (including VP, but prob no further) actions were carried out with the interest of national security with tacit approval of Congress".

It could be one of those things where Congressional spinelessness really bites them in the ass.

Had Congress at the time these events were going on really made a stink or made their lack of consent known, the Court may view it differently.

And so you know I'm not pulling this out of my ass, I'm basing my opinion on Jackson's Concurrence in the Steel Seizure cases (new window):

Jackson's opinion took a similarly flexible approach to the issue, eschewing any fixed boundaries between Congress' and the President's power. Jackson divided Presidential authority vis a vis Congress into three categories, ranked in descending order of legitimacy: (1) those cases in which the President was acting with express or implied authority from Congress, (2) cases in which Congress had thus far been silent, and (3) cases in which the President was defying congressional orders. He classified this case as falling within the third category.

In all honesty, we're all to blame for torture for electing so many spineless twatwaffles to federal office and then not holding them accountable for anything more than voting on the names of post offices and libraries.

Lando Lincoln: Does this shock anyone?

Probably some Iraqi, but that was just to get more intel.

Someones happy this took the heat off her. As you can tell from this pic

Office of Special Plans
Curveball
Chalabi
Niger Forgery
now torturing for false info

these guys were stopping at nothing.

MSNBC? Thanks but no thanks.

Lando Lincoln: Does this shock anyone?

No, but being right on this shouldn't make anyone happy regardless of how the asshat apologists for the Bush administration acted towards those of us who were sounding the alarm.

No torture: "Our secret hideout is in __________. But be careful, there are booby traps in all entrances and a tunnel complex underneath for them to escape, which is also booby trapped. Don't blow it up since there are valuable documents inside the complex"

Torture: "Our secret hideout is in ___________."

can't see the streaming as I'm at work... but this selective releasing of Memos is not a good thing. They need to release all of them or none of them. By releasing only memo's that go against perceived opponents it looks as if the WH is simply using the facts to attack and not to reveal.

Hopefully this selective releasing stops or opens up full.

drjekel_mrhyde: Someones happy this took the heat off her. As you can tell from this pic

The only heat on her comes from the exhaust of mouth-breathers.

thenateman: MSNBC? Thanks but no thanks.

Robert Windrem is a Senior Reserach Fellow at the NYU Center on Law and Security. For three decades, he worked as a producer for NBC News. During that time, he focused on issues of international security, strategic policy, intelligence and terrorism. He is the winner of more than 40 national journalism awards for his work in print, television, and online journalism, including a Columbia-duPont Award, mostly for his work on international security issues.

thenateman: MSNBC? Thanks but no thanks.

I bet if you crank the Fox News volume up high enough you might be able to take your fingers out of your ears.

From reading the comments, this sums up the thread so far.

tnpir: Dick Cheney needs to be indicted, hopefully convicted, and sent to prison to rot for the rest of his disgusting, miserable life. He is the absolute lowest of the low.

YES! Send him to the Hague. Or to Spain to chat with Judge Garzón.

12349876: thenateman: MSNBC? Thanks but no thanks.

Robert Windrem is a Senior Reserach Fellow at the NYU Center on Law and Security. For three decades, he worked as a producer for NBC News. During that time, he focused on issues of international security, strategic policy, intelligence and terrorism. He is the winner of more than 40 national journalism awards for his work in print, television, and online journalism, including a Columbia-duPont Award, mostly for his work on international security issues.

Don't waste your breath. They're not interested in actual crimes against the U.S. Just the crimes they can fabricate in order to steal more money.

/shocked, I tell you

Lenny_da_Hog: drjekel_mrhyde: Someones happy this took the heat off her. As you can tell from this pic

The only heat on her comes from the exhaust of mouth-breathers.

I not saying I am a male whore but I would be her pool boy if I am paided enough

Newportbarguy p>You are all a bunch of pussies. If it works for Jack Bauer that's good enough for me.

There are clear links between Saddam and Osama bin Laden. They were both born in the desert. They both like South Park. WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED?!

Dick Cheney is a national hero and should be given the Congressional Medal of Honor. No, he should get TWO of them.

I second that. Seeing Since He Never Served, They should make a new special category for him. The presidential medal of freedom. No Too Pussy!!!
It needs to be something like:

Medal of Being A shaithead and ruining everything in this world that is right.

Or maybe:
GOP Awesome hero of day!!!

Or:
The Maulinator.

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: 12349876: thenateman: MSNBC? Thanks but no thanks.

Robert Windrem is a Senior Reserach Fellow at the NYU Center on Law and Security. For three decades, he worked as a producer for NBC News. During that time, he focused on issues of international security, strategic policy, intelligence and terrorism. He is the winner of more than 40 national journalism awards for his work in print, television, and online journalism, including a Columbia-duPont Award, mostly for his work on international security issues.

Don't waste your breath. They're not interested in actual crimes against the U.S. Just the crimes they can fabricate in order to steal more money.

/shocked, I tell you

Hobodeluxe:

Chalabi-

Ah, yes. Everyone forgets about Chalabi. Head of the Iraqi National Congress, the exile group the NeoCons thought could walk in after the soldiers and just take over the place for us.

Except he was a complete con man, who'd been stringing the Neocons along the whole time, telling them what they wanted to hear and cashing their checks. When the time came for them to step up to the plate with their "vast network of contacts" and form a new government, it turned out the whole thing was nothing but facade, and the Iraqi's practically laughed them out of town. Then Chalabi gets caught giving classified information to IRAN, FAIL complete

Chalabi was a failure of the most naiive and stupid kind, one that should have wiped out any credibility Cheney and the Neocons enjoyed. I honestly don't understand how he didn't bring them down in 2004

drjekel_mrhyde: Someones happy this took the heat off her. As you can tell from this pic

That picture is oddly adorable.

some how I get a visual of Cheney giving himself a stranger while watching a water boarding.....

He will never get prosecuted for this. I don't know why all the wharrgarbal over people trying to get him for this.