Like other tricks, such as time travel and lens flares, it is a crutch and bandage to cover up weak or short stories and general bad writing. Yes, we know the ship is shaking. (Wouldn't the inertial dampers mitigate the shakes?) Not that the new ST movie was poorly written. It just could have been told in about 45 minutes plus commercials. But the FX guys had to show off.

Bored? No. Irritated? Most certainly.

teto85: Like other tricks, such as time travel and lens flares, it is a crutch and bandage to cover up weak or short stories and general bad writing. Yes, we know the ship is shaking. (Wouldn't the inertial dampers mitigate the shakes?) Not that the new ST movie was poorly written. It just could have been told in about 45 minutes plus commercials. But the FX guys had to show off.

Yes.

TwistedIvory: Bored? No. Irritated? Most certainly.

Yes.

Blame it on Godard.

I prefer the camera be propped up on the dresser and not move during the whole scene.

\what?

teto85: It just could have been told in about 45 minutes plus commercials. But the FX guys had to show off.

I think most movies are like this.

Just like "Real Time" in RTS games is a crutch to aid the AI, the camera shake does the same for movie-making.

SpinStopper: teto85: Like other tricks, such as time travel and lens flares, it is a crutch and bandage to cover up weak or short stories and general bad writing. Yes, we know the ship is shaking. (Wouldn't the inertial dampers mitigate the shakes?) Not that the new ST movie was poorly written. It just could have been told in about 45 minutes plus commercials. But the FX guys had to show off.

Yes.

TwistedIvory: Bored? No. Irritated? Most certainly.

Yes.

These.

Shakey Cam sucks ass on the big screen. I can read in the back seat of a car, I can handle horrible turbulence on a plane, I can relax on a swaying seacraft with no problem, but shaky-cam on the big screen gets me every time. After Quantum of Shakycam, I was just about ready to boycott Hollywood.

coco ebert: Blame it on Godard.

I blame it on the Blair Witch Project, and the people who actually thought that was a scary movie.

oh wah. Get over yourselves. I have no problem with it.

SilentStrider: oh wah. Get over yourselves. I have no problem with it.

Pretty much this.

Quick, change professions and quit wasting your life when you could be out besting Citizen Kane.

What the hell are these hacks doing?

Go, go now, save the future of cinema!

I hate the shaky camera, one reason why I will never see Blair Witch.

I suppose Van Gogh would have sold lots more paintings if he'd held them up and shaken them for prospective buyers.

Not at all. They didn't try to film this in a fake documentary style. What was wrong with the camera-work?

DamnYankees: Not at all. They didn't try to film this in a fake documentary style. What was wrong with the camera-work?

It's human nature, we as a species have to find something to complain about. I thought we had managed to narrow down that bit of genetic material to just the Brits? :D

/saw it last night
//loved it

DamnYankees: Not at all. They didn't try to film this in a fake documentary style. What was wrong with the camera-work?

Because why does the camera have to shake during a stationary interview inside a bar. That's why.

monkeyman3875: DamnYankees: Not at all. They didn't try to film this in a fake documentary style. What was wrong with the camera-work?

Because why does the camera have to shake during a stationary interview inside a bar. That's why.

I don't understand that question. Why shouldn't it shake? Is a non-shaky camera somehow the 'right' way to do things?

DamnYankees: I don't understand that question. Why shouldn't it shake? Is a non-shaky camera somehow the 'right' way to do things?

I don't need to constantly move my eyes to focus on a guy sitting in a chair. Other times sure you can have a free camera, but while they're sitting, talking, I don't see the need.

/Still very much liked the movie

Mentat: Shakey Cam sucks ass on the big screen. I can read in the back seat of a car, I can handle horrible turbulence on a plane, I can relax on a swaying seacraft with no problem, but shaky-cam on the big screen gets me every time. After Quantum of Shakycam, I was just about ready to boycott Hollywood.

This. I had to walk out of the Mummy 3 45 minutes in because I felt like I was going to hurl.

/oh, and the movie sucked too

this is why i'm not into learning how shiat works
ruins everything

gandalf is gay
wolverine is australian
batman is welsh

monkeyman3875: I don't need to constantly move my eyes to focus on a guy sitting in a chair. Other times sure you can have a free camera, but while they're sitting, talking, I don't see the need.

I don't really remember when this happened in ST. What scenes are you talking about? This movie was not filmed like the Blair Witch Project or the Bourne movies. There was no massive shaking all the time.

moothemagiccow: this is why i'm not into learning how shiat works
ruins everything

gandalf is gay
wolverine is australian
batman is welsh

And House is British

Star Trek was a good movie.

I don't understand the question.... The ship is being shot at, hence the shakes, how else is it supposed to be shown?

I don't mind it during action scenes so much, but when they let the camera bob drunkenly around during conversations i'll just change the channel.

DamnYankees: I don't really remember when this happened in ST. What scenes are you talking about? This movie was not filmed like the Blair Witch Project or the Bourne movies. There was no massive shaking all the time.

Not massive shaking, but the bar conversation after the big fight, while they were just talking. That was the annoying part, everything else was pretty well done with the hand held cameras.

oldebayer: I hate the shaky camera, one reason why I will never see Blair Witch.

I suppose Van Gogh would have sold lots more paintings if he'd held them up and shaken them for prospective buyers.

Because paintings = movies

mediablitz: coco ebert: Blame it on Godard.

I blame it on the Blair Witch Project, and the people who actually thought that was a scary movie.

This.

/BWP was where the shaky-camera spawned in the first place
//But I guess the proto-shakiness started in UFO videos

monkeyman3875: Not massive shaking, but the bar conversation after the big fight, while they were just talking. That was the annoying part, everything else was pretty well done with the hand held cameras.

I don't remember any shaky cam in that scene.

I think what may be happening is that the 'norm' for camera movement is changing. People too used to the old way are highly annoyed by it, and people like me seriously just see it as normal and don't notice it at all. So I really don't even know what you're talking about - that bar scene seemed completely normal to me.

Shakycam just jerks me back to reality and tells me that I am watching a movie (because a camera is shaking).

If I were a direct observer, my brain wound compensate for the shaking.

/the same goes for first person shooter games with head bobbing. Try it yourself, walk down a street, do you notice your view bobbing up and down, or does your brain automatically compensate.

DamnYankees: So I really don't even know what you're talking about - that bar scene seemed completely normal to me.

After the Bourne movies I just notice it more and more. Like I said it wasn't horrible but it was still annoying that I noticed it. All the other action scenes weren't that bad.

monkeyman3875: moothemagiccow: this is why i'm not into learning how shiat works
ruins everything

gandalf is gay
wolverine is australian
batman is welsh

And House is British

Huge Ackman isn't huge. Get it? Good porn name though.

I thought Hill Street Blues started this in the 80s (or was it NYPD Blue) and all the other shows followed suit. What does 9/11 have to do with it.

I'm bored with everything, why not this?

Yes. Also in television.

When two characters are in a room talking, give me a two shot. Shaking the camera is a dirty trick to keep your eyes focused on the screen, even if the material does not warrant the attention.

monkeyman3875: moothemagiccow: this is why i'm not into learning how shiat works
ruins everything

gandalf is gay
wolverine is australian
batman is welsh

And House is British

And Leon is getting Larger!

It was annoying with Cloverfield, which was almost unwatchable.

With Star Trek I found the constant lens flare to be the most distracting thing. The shake wasn't as bad as Clovercrap.

It was like watching special fx 101

/still a good movie

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: With Star Trek I found the constant lens flare to be the most distracting thing. The shake wasn't as bad as Clovercrap.

I really liked the lens flaring. It gave me a serious feeling like I was actually out in space, where there are bright shiny lights all over the place. I noticed it more the 2nd time I saw it, since other Farkers mentioned it, but I just really liked it. I never thought it was used inappropriately.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: It was annoying with Cloverfield, which was almost unwatchable.

With Star Trek I found the constant lens flare to be the most distracting thing. The shake wasn't as bad as Clovercrap.

It was like watching special fx 101

/still a good movie

ftfy

how dare you speak negatively of the star trek. to hell with thee. it is very cold in space.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: It was annoying with Cloverfield, which was almost unwatchable.

It actually gave me a headache, which is why I'll never see that film more than once. Well, that and it sucked.

Shakey cam and rapid edit are very simply tricks by which a director covers faults in the film.

However, I find them, in and of themselves, to be a fault. Therefore the director is failing in his objective.

If he's doing it for the style, he's out of date. Like 80s synth, this had a very brief window of being interesting, followed by a large number of irritating copycats.

oldebayer: I hate the shaky camera, one reason why I will never see Blair Witch.

I suppose Van Gogh would have sold lots more paintings if he'd held them up and shaken them for prospective buyers.

At least in Blair Witch it made sense, as it was filmed in first person and that was the premise. First time I noticed it on TV was the Homicide series. It may have been used before then, but I hadn't seen it and, like everything else, people went "Ohhhh... that's original. Let's copy it!"

I'm very disappointed that they did this. I quit watching Galactica because of the vomit inducing shakycam. Well, I was planning on watching Trek at Imax, but I know for goddamn sure I'll have to excuse myself to go puke, so that's out.

SilentStrider: oh wah. Get over yourselves. I have no problem with it.

this this this. if you dont like it, dont watch movies that have it. also, shut up about it.

Cloverfield is the best movie ever made. I am not kidding. I love it.

Mock away.

theFrakamazog: I'm very disappointed that they did this. I quit watching Galactica because of the vomit inducing shakycam. Well, I was planning on watching Trek at Imax, but I know for goddamn sure I'll have to excuse myself to go puke, so that's out.

Yes. Because everyone knows how much BSG was hated to do its cinematography.

Let's face facts here - if you find shows like BSG to be filmed badly, the problem is pretty much definitely with you, not the show.

that crap made the movie "man on fire" unwatchable

Since this is a Star Trek thread... I'll just say I thought the new movie was alright, not great, but alright.


/not that my opinion means jack shiat on the intertubes
//just sayin'

Not really, if it works.