Preview is your my friend.

You won't catch him that way.

suspicious fire guy

Arsonist caught sayof?

I accidentally the whole hide-out

Sometimes the pear it the knife drawer. With happens the boot.

Well will you won't you want me to make you

I blame the Negroes...

Mom? dammit.

I guess this means it must be time for Roman Polanski to sleep with another underage girl.

One of the key clues was that scrawled on the wall in blood, was "healter skelter".
That put the Farker grammar squad on the case and through public ridicule the case was solved in, well, months.....

Couldn't I just park at the Walmart in my home state if I had an RV?
Why go to Maine?

If someone who owns a $100K RV can't afford $36/night...probably something wrong with them.

What a suspicious fire may look like..

dkimball: If someone who owns a $100K RV can't afford $36/night...probably something wrong with them.

They are probably crazy as Manson!

/Goes back to the top of the slide....

I GOT BLISTERS ON MY FINGERS!

/didn't start the fire

dkimball: Couldn't I just park at the Walmart in my home state if I had an RV?
Why go to Maine?

If someone who owns a $100K RV can't afford $36/night...probably something wrong with them.

I have to agree.

I therefore surmise the arsonist is an RV owner from dkimball's home state.

I spent all day at one of Manson's hangouts, so I'm getting a kick out of your replies....

Helter Skelter? (youtube music goodness)

Was it coming down fast?

He may be a lover but he aint no dancer

/dnrtfa

shirtsbyeric: I GOT BLISTERS ON MY FINGERS!

/didn't start the fire


Your doing it wrong.

dkimball: Couldn't I just park at the Walmart in my home state if I had an RV?
Why go to Maine?

If someone who owns a $100K RV can't afford $36/night...probably something wrong with them.

Or they blew all their money on the RV.

I once bought acid from members of the Manson Family and Squeaky Fromme grew up a couple of blocks from me.

Acid is one powerful drug, Lou.

this is what happens when you try to fry ice cream

The whole farkin' compound should've been bulldozed a long time ago. Good riddance to bad memories.....

lantawa: The whole farkin' compound should've been bulldozed a long time ago. Good riddance to bad memories.....

So much this.
My mother's cousin was killed by the Manson gang in 1969.
Although he was murdered long before I was born, the memory still haunts our family to this day.


/RIP Gary

I'm coming down fast but I'm miles above you.

/dude...wait... what?

I wish Dancin in Anson would comment on Manson.

Do you, don't you want me to love you?

dkimball 2009-05-10 10:01:53 AM
Couldn't I just park at the Walmart in my home state if I had an RV?
Why go to Maine?

If someone who owns a $100K RV can't afford $36/night...probably something wrong with them.

I don't think that Manson used an RV, he did have a school bus.

Rohasman: Helter Skelter? (youtube music goodness)



You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer...



/NSFW or kids....
//total classic.

Roquefort 2009-05-10 11:37:48 AM
lantawa: The whole farkin' compound should've been bulldozed a long time ago. Good riddance to bad memories.....

So much this.
My mother's cousin was killed by the Manson gang in 1969.
Although he was murdered long before I was born, the memory still haunts our family to this day

Dude, you are related to Gary Hinmann? Sorry if name mispelled, lazy now. Please do tell?

"I wanna help."

/obscure?

Jujubunnie: Rohasman: Helter Skelter? (youtube music goodness)

You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer...

/NSFW or kids....
//total classic.

Sign up to watch? Pass. Wouldn't be Skinny Puppy's Warlock by any chance?

My mother's cousin was killed by the Manson gang in 1969.
Although he was murdered long before I was born, the memory still haunts our family to this day.

That's really sad. Every reference I've seen to Gary Hinman indicates that he was a pretty decent guy, and left his door open to wandering hippies needing shelter.

Given BobbyB's comments in interviews in the '70s, I don't think he will ever be freed. Besides, he makes some decent music from inside that cage.

On a side note, I still suspect that NIN's Downward Spiral is about Manson...

sunlion: My mother's cousin was killed by the Manson gang in 1969.
Although he was murdered long before I was born, the memory still haunts our family to this day.

That's really sad. Every reference I've seen to Gary Hinman indicates that he was a pretty decent guy, and left his door open to wandering hippies needing shelter.

Given BobbyB's comments in interviews in the '70s, I don't think he will ever be freed. Besides, he makes some decent music from inside that cage.

On a side note, I still suspect that NIN's Downward Spiral is about Manson...

--
Mom tells me Gary was a great guy who was perhaps a bit too trusting. His story has functioned as a cautionary tale for myself and my siblings, so hopefully we have been safer for knowing his story.

From what I know about the the events leading to his murder, he was basically in the wrong place at the wrong time, and his trusting nature prevented him from perceiving the grave danger he was in.

I know that the whole Manson thing was partially responsible for prompting my parents to move far, far away from Hollywood.

Only 1000 miles, but far enough for me.

snow9999: Roquefort 2009-05-10 11:37:48 AM
lantawa: The whole farkin' compound should've been bulldozed a long time ago. Good riddance to bad memories.....

So much this.
My mother's cousin was killed by the Manson gang in 1969.
Although he was murdered long before I was born, the memory still haunts our family to this day

Dude, you are related to Gary Hinmann? Sorry if name mispelled, lazy now. Please do tell?

--
Gary Hinman was my Mother's cousin so I guess that makes me his second cousin. I never knew Gary but the Manson story resonates strongly in our family because of the connection.
/not sure how the whole once removed thing works

Roquefort: /not sure how the whole once removed thing works

If Gary had any children, they would be your second cousins. You are Gary's cousin once remoed.

first cousin once removed, that is.

MentalMoment: Jujubunnie: Rohasman: Helter Skelter? (youtube music goodness)

You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer...

/NSFW or kids....
//total classic.

Sign up to watch? Pass. Wouldn't be Skinny Puppy's Warlock by any chance?



Unfortunately yes, it's age-restricted and you need to be registered to get the okay.

And yes, Worlock.



Link to the live performance: Hot blood. Guilt Optic Nerve. (pops)



I cried when they performed this live.


/seen them five times
//the roadie gave me Ogre's bloody mess of a tank top after one of the LA shows for knowing all the words to every song they played....

After listening to Manson speak in many interviews, the entire clusterfark of all of the murders and events seem to tell another story. Yes, Charlie is mentally ill, but seems to have a very interesting outlook on life. Clearly he is charismatic and a great storyteller, but somehow I think the people around him were even more crazy than he was... and of course we have to place the blame on one person, don't we? Why not the charismatic crazy guy?

Just some thoughts.... not excusing horrific behavior.

I was out at Barker filming in 2007 for a documentary on the Tate/LaBianca murders:

OFFICIAL SITE (new window)


TRAILER (with some footage of Barker Ranch) (new window)

Was planning to go out there again. Looks like my second trip, though, will be to get photos of the burnt buildings to put as an epilogue in a future cut of the film.

Interesting that now both of the Manson Family's main ranch hideouts have now been destroyed by fire. Spahn's Movie Ranch in Chatsworth, where the Family was living when they committed the infamous Tate/LaBianca murders, was burned in a wildfire about a year after they were all arrested. The Manson girls who were still living there at the time reportedly danced while the ranch burned, singing "Helter Skelter is coming down."

We visit what's left of Spahn Ranch in my film, too.


shower_in_my_socks at Barker in '07:

Sunlion: On a side note, I still suspect that NIN's Downward Spiral is about Manson...

Allow me to counter with a few things that'll shake that theory. I can see how you came up with that, seeing as how it was recorded at Terry Melcher's house (that is, what people call the Tate/ Polanski house). However, I think that's just a byproduct of Trent Reznor being rich and creepy and hanging out with Marilyn Manson.

I wondered for a long time what TDS was about, and then someone gave me a copy of "Further Down The Spiral", and what I came up with is that the entire TDS album is the thoughts in the head of a suicide as he shoots himself, collapses in the shower, and watches his lifeblood swirl down the drain. If you listen to Further ... you can actually hear some of the speech that is otherwise obscured in TDS that seems to back up what I'm proposing here.

/threadjack over

Mudo: Sunlion: On a side note, I still suspect that NIN's Downward Spiral is about Manson...

Allow me to counter with a few things that'll shake that theory. I can see how you came up with that, seeing as how it was recorded at Terry Melcher's house (that is, what people call the Tate/ Polanski house). However, I think that's just a byproduct of Trent Reznor being rich and creepy and hanging out with Marilyn Manson.

I wondered for a long time what TDS was about, and then someone gave me a copy of "Further Down The Spiral", and what I came up with is that the entire TDS album is the thoughts in the head of a suicide as he shoots himself, collapses in the shower, and watches his lifeblood swirl down the drain. If you listen to Further ... you can actually hear some of the speech that is otherwise obscured in TDS that seems to back up what I'm proposing here.

/threadjack over

It's about drug addiction and dubious fame, you numbskulls. Just like every other cool album.

Jujubunnie: After listening to Manson speak in many interviews, the entire clusterfark of all of the murders and events seem to tell another story. Yes, Charlie is mentally ill, but seems to have a very interesting outlook on life. Clearly he is charismatic and a great storyteller, but somehow I think the people around him were even more crazy than he was... and of course we have to place the blame on one person, don't we? Why not the charismatic crazy guy?

Just some thoughts.... not excusing horrific behavior.

--
Interesting thoughts indeed. I really haven't learned a lot about Manson because the subject was always very taboo in my family growing up. Any time something came on the television about Manson, the channel was changed and not much else was spoken about him. All I knew is that a member of our family had been murdered by his gang. After I got out on my own I never did any research--the very subject has become verboten in my own mind because of my upbringing I suppose. I only learned about my cousin's murder in detail when I was looking through a friend's Rolling Stone anthology and happened across the article about Gary Hinman.

For many years I believed that Manson was himself a serial killer, but have since learned that he was more of a cult leader who had others do his bidding. I believe that people of great charisma--rock stars, actors, and politicians come to mind, but charismatic people walk amongst us also--can focus their powers in a number of different ways, not all of them positive.

Manson's madness somehow played off of his charisma and attracted some of the most desperate and vulnerable people to him, who in turn allowed themselves to be affected by his madness.

People continue to be fascinated by the man because people with magnetic personalities are interesting--we would not have rock stars if they were not. However, I believe it is impossible for some of that energy to "rub off," regardless of how you intend to channel the energy. Charisma can be developed on one's own and studying or idolizing charismatic people will lead one away from developing their own gifts.

Just some thoughts from an "outside insider"

"He comes in to my world, my life, and tells me roo- roo-rah, some
old punk ass mother farker shiat that's going to get me killed if I
don't put up some force fields in his mind to get his ding-dong ass
off of me. So I tell him, get off of me. If you don't get off of me, I'll teach you how to get off of me. And he learns that, and he turns that around and he tells the inmate, you get up against that wall and shake down."

Roquefort: Manson's madness somehow played off of his charisma and attracted some of the most desperate and vulnerable people to him, who in turn allowed themselves to be affected by his madness.


Manson also had access to shiat-piles of drugs. Take a charismatic career criminal who had experience as a pimp, whose job is manipulating young people, and mix him with a bunch of "lost kids" loaded on mind-altering narcotics -- they were like putty in his hands.

shower_in_my_socks: Roquefort: Manson's madness somehow played off of his charisma and attracted some of the most desperate and vulnerable people to him, who in turn allowed themselves to be affected by his madness.


Manson also had access to shiat-piles of drugs. Take a charismatic career criminal who had experience as a pimp, whose job is manipulating young people, and mix him with a bunch of "lost kids" loaded on mind-altering narcotics -- they were like putty in his hands.

Excellent point. Drugs are an effective way for people who possess some magnetism to both attract and influence vulnerable personalities. I get the impression that your work involves demystifying Manson's legend--which I feel is very important in light of his absurd rock star-like status. The way I see it, if Manson had any talent or looks, he could have become an actor or a rock star. Unfortunately, he was essentially an ugly no-talent pimp with a penchant for brainwashing vulnerable young people with drugs and outlandish behavior. I will check out your work when I have some more time.

/off to wish my Mom a happy
//wishes all your moms and all you moms a happy