While I wouldn't (i.e., haven't) do what they did, that's impressive: "Super-abstinence!"

See "Dust Assassin" by Ian McDonald. (SF short story. Recommended.)

"I wasn't sure what to do," said Kruger, who is model-beautiful. "I thought I would mess up."

That's some fine objective reporting there, Lou! I guess we're supposed to assume that only ugly people will take these pledges?

She's probably kissed or even had sex before, but just not with this particular guy.

This won't end well.

Oh god, Brentwood Church of Christ. That alone makes me hate this biatch. Probably another stupid spoiled waste of life.

And Americans wonder why the rest of the non-fundamentalist world laughs at us.

It is amazing how repressed this country still is, in 2009.

ANd then latter that night she had the worst sex of her life.

And she is probably still crying ans wondering why it was not the most glorious things ever.

The only thing that needs to change for this to be the exact twin of Islamic dating would be for the marriage to be arranged.

is this (new window) them?

Do you buy a car without test driving it? It seems absolutely absurd, then, to enter a life-long commitment without first making sure you are sexually compatible and that you can even tolerate living together... since you'll spend a lot more time with your spouse than your car.

I new two people who took a virginity pledge and by 20 and 23 they were both ready to marry the first person who said yes so they could finally have sex.

The guy married an absolute biatch that ruined him mentally and financially. YAY abstinence pledges. He was a youth minister and even left the church last I heard.

Lost track of the girl at 20 but she was ready to find anyone to marry her.

rava: is this (new window) them?

She grabbing his ass in one of the pictures. This isn't one of those things where they don't kiss or have vaginal sex but they've done everything else six ways to Sunday and claim to be pure is it?

Gwendolyn: She grabbing his ass in one of the pictures. This isn't one of those things where they don't kiss or have vaginal sex but they've done everything else six ways to Sunday and claim to be pure is it?

It does seem to be them, so maybe. Of course, this wouldn't be the first time The Tennessean was wrong. They may be saying this for the publicity.

Shenanigans.

Having just seen "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" for the first time last night, all I can think about is how this is truly the stupidest thing a couple can do.


/I cannot see how anyone could disagree with me on this.

Gwendolyn: Lost track of the girl at 20 but she was ready to find anyone to marry her.

1) Was she hot
2) How is her full name spelled

Jeebus hates displays of affection.

It's Tennessee, where siblings don't count.

My first kiss was with Suzanne Maxon in Jr High social studies class. Still turned out ghey but I do remember that kiss. I think she turned out ghey also.

Jaymzzz: FTW. Thread over. Thank you.

Irresponsible.

Anal.

How does that NOT result in a life spent speculating/obsessing over what other partners before marriage would be like and hence high rates of adultery/divorce/bottled-up desires?

Yes, it's a rhetorical question.

Anyone else think it's weird that he's 35 and she's 22? I mean, not creepy-weird because she's past college age, just weird.

The oldest Duggar boy and his girlfriend were in this boat too I think. I remember seeing clips of him on TLC proclaiming they'd never even kissed, when they were showing the engagement episode or whatever.

I have to admit to not agreeing with and not fully understanding the "no kissing before marriage" people.

STUPID tag is for basement dwelling Subby who hates people that live their lives differently.

swingbozo: My first kiss was with Suzanne Maxon in Jr High social studies class. Still turned out ghey but I do remember that kiss. I think she turned out ghey also.

Which leads me to a weird thought - would it be gay porn if you filmed a gay man and a lesbian bumping uglies?

Sexual comparability is a key part of a relationship. Waiting until you're married to have sex shouldn't be considered a virtue it should be seen as shortsighted and counterproductive to a happy marriage.


/maybe it already is seen that way by sane people.

Meh. It's their choice. It isn't mine, but why would I care.

Maybe part-time model-beautiful.

Verrai: Anyone else think it's weird that he's 35 and she's 22? I mean, not creepy-weird because she's past college age, just weird.

No, it's creep weird, too. "Creep rule": 35/2 + 7 = 24.5.

It's creepy.

rava: is this (new window) them?

Did she just kiss her dad on the lips?

/kinda grossed out

Hopes she likes doing whatever his last girlfriend did, because that's all she's going to experience for a while. Did they sit around, watching porn and saying yes to this, but no thanks to that? Looking back at some of the worst in my past, I can remember the incompatibility, which eventually led to the end of relationships.

Heroic Poser: STUPID tag is for basement dwelling Subby who hates people that live their lives differently.

Implicit in the thinking of those who promote Abstinence and Purity Rings is an article of faith that sluts are ruining America. I'm sure you can find one anecdote that is the exception to the rule, but it's being pushed as a cultural thing because liberal attitudes toward sex have replaced the ubiquity of the Jesus, and "promiscuity" is being blamed for many of society's ills.

/Why buy the cow when you can hold hands with it for free?

indylaw: Which leads me to a weird thought - would it be gay porn if you filmed a gay man and a lesbian bumping uglies?

Uhm, all of the official lesbians I know I don't want to see their uglies even if there was some beans and frank in the vicinity.

That's what the oldest Duggar boy did.

I don't understand it. Kissing is awesome.

/Does not approve.

I've heard of couples doing this before. I can sort of understand the whole thing about keeping your virginity, if you feel it's important to you on a religious level. Fine. Whatever.

But I can't imagine not being able to display ANY affection at all for the woman I wanted to marry. How can they even say they love each other if they find it that easy to not even kiss??? I haven't met the future Mrs. HMS_Blinkin yet (or maybe I have and I just don't know it) but either way, I kind of assume we'll be irresistible to each other. That they can just NOT display any affection makes me wonder if there is any.

/yes, I understand that sex/physical attraction isn't everything
//but it's an important part

/hot

Gwendolyn: I new two people who took a virginity pledge and by 20 and 23 they were both ready to marry the first person who said yes so they could finally have sex.

The guy married an absolute biatch that ruined him mentally and financially. YAY abstinence pledges. He was a youth minister and even left the church last I heard.

Lost track of the girl at 20 but she was ready to find anyone to marry her.

So, how about all those marriages where the couple lives together before getting married, but still end up in divorce? There is no fool-proof plan to getting married; you simply have to realize that it takes some work.

And how many of the people in this thread, complaining that this couple and others shouldn't do this, advocate the view that people should stay out of the lives of others? Funny how that view just disappears when you find something you disagree with.

/Single.
//But have seen enough relationships to realize you can't just glide through them.
///And know some people who avoided kissing before marriage.
////Admittedly, I don't think I could pull that one off.

no kissing before marriage is stupid as hell, but whatever works for some people i guess. i'm 23 and still haven't been laid though, so i cant say much. its a personal choice, i have taken a while to think about sexual activity and waited until i could afford the possibility of a having a kid, and not having the unfortunate occurrence of an std early on in life, and i'm just waiting for the right lady thats all, wither it be before or after marriage it dosn't matter.

stevegarbowski: While I wouldn't (i.e., haven't) do what they did, that's impressive: "Super-abstinence!"

Super-abstinence is the only way known to scientists to combat the Super-devil

06Wahoo:

So, how about all those marriages where the couple lives together before getting married, but still end up in divorce? There is no fool-proof plan to getting married; you simply have to realize that it takes some work.

I agree a marriage is hard work. Doesn't that mean you should know as much as possible able the person you are going to marry?



And how many of the people in this thread, complaining that this couple and others shouldn't do this, advocate the view that people should stay out of the lives of others? Funny how that view just disappears when you find something you disagree with.


When you see stupid people acting stupidly it is mean to not tell them they are being stupid.

She's a liar!

06Wahoo: And how many of the people in this thread, complaining that this couple and others shouldn't do this, advocate the view that people should stay out of the lives of others? Funny how that view just disappears when you find something you disagree with.

I think that while a lot of people in this thread are accurately pointing out the stupidity of this choice, there's no talk about actual legislation against it.

You sound like a farktarded xtian with a persecution/martyr complex. Have fun with that.

mediablitz: And Americans wonder why the rest of the non-fundamentalist world laughs at us.

It is amazing how repressed this country still is, in 2009.

That's pretty much because the non-fundamentalist world shipped their puritan retards over here so they wouldn't have to deal with them.

the_chief: Maybe part-time model-beautiful.

And she better keep her normal job.

And I bet it was awkward as hell.