OH NOES! WE CAN'T LET THE LITTLE KIDDIES HEAR THE NAME OF GOD!!!

I can't imagine why this is problem. Prayer poster? Of course it would have a mention of God.

Now, if the school requires its students to pray to the poster, that would be a problem.

Can they include the name Allah?
I bet that gets their panties in a wad.

I see nothing wrong with this.

It's a student group, not a school created and mandated organization.

Let them have their posters.

I don't get it. I'm as liberal as they come, and fairly anti-religion, but I don't see a problem here. It's a poster for a prayer group. Of course they are going to mention God. I would find it kind of odd if they didn't. It's not like I would expect a poster for a pep rally to not be able to talk about the schools team.

Now, if it was a poster for an environmental group or something, I wouldn't quite be there for the God stuff. But for a prayer group? More power too you.

NOT THE WORD GOD! NOOOOOOOOOOO!

He who shall not be named!?!?

They're going to hell now anyway.

zpb52: OH NOES! WE CAN'T LET THE LITTLE KIDDIES HEAR THE NAME OF GOD!!!

God's name isn't "God".

R.A.Danny: Can they include the name Allah?

It isn't Allah either. That's just Arabic for "God".

The only name given for the judeo-christian god is "I am" or "Yahweh". Everything else (God, Allah, Adonai, Elohim etc) is a title meaning either "the god" or "the lord".

I guess the modmins had to greenlight something to balance out that Malkin bullshiat for the PITA.

Kyosuke: He who shall not be named!?!?

Yahweh and Nyarlathotep are very similar in that respect.

equilibrium: zpb52: OH NOES! WE CAN'T LET THE LITTLE KIDDIES HEAR THE NAME OF GOD!!!

God's name isn't "God".

R.A.Danny: Can they include the name Allah?

It isn't Allah either. That's just Arabic for "God".

The only name given for the judeo-christian god is "I am" or "Yahweh". Everything else (God, Allah, Adonai, Elohim etc) is a title meaning either "the god" or "the lord".

You expect people to know details like that ? They just want to be popular and root for the bigger club.

U.S. District Judge Robert Echols found Friday that the school district could not censor phrases like "In God We Trust" and "God Bless America" from the posters.

Good grief, where have I heard those two phases before?

If you think about, is 'god' even necessarily a religious term? I know on the face of it my question appears crazy, but how often do people use the word to express disdain, pain, confusion, or even joy? I'm an atheist, I'm all for separation of church and state, but I use the word 'god' whenever I life, for whatever reason I like.... editing out words does nothing.

Mordant: You expect people to know details like that ? They just want to be popular and root for the bigger club.

I don't expect them to but I wish more of them actually had a clue about what their own religion says.

Hey Christians, there's no Heaven, no soul, no clouds, no harps, no pearly gates. When you die you lie rotting in the earth until bodily resurrected and judged.

equilibrium: Mordant: You expect people to know details like that ? They just want to be popular and root for the bigger club.

I don't expect them to but I wish more of them actually had a clue about what their own religion says.

Hey Christians, there's no Heaven, no soul, no clouds, no harps, no pearly gates. When you die you lie rotting in the earth until bodily resurrected and judged.

FTFY

WTF is a "prayer poster"?

zpb52: OH NOES! WE CAN'T LET THE LITTLE KIDDIES HEAR THE NAME OF GOD THE INVISIBLE SKY WIZARD I HAPPEN TO WORSHIP!!!

FTFY

Dufus: Good grief, where have I heard those two phrases before?

Before or after they were added to money and the common parlance to protect us from godless communism?

Personally, I like the original national motto better: E pluribus unum.

/red scare ftl

Students doing it != to the school doing it, and this is coming from an extremely secular liberal moonbat here.

/Move along

Sylviana: FTFY

I was working specifically within the context of their religious text without injecting my own opinion into it. When you actually sit down and look at it, it's amazing how much common Christian belief is just mythology that has nothing to do with the Bible.

mpirooz: Students doing it != to the school doing it, and this is coming from an extremely secular liberal moonbat here.

Uh...

FTFA: Last year, another judge found that Wilson County had given the group, Praying Parents, too much freedom to distribute materials at schools,

It's not students, it's parents pushing a religious agenda onto the school. It's a more gray are, but as an atheist myself I don't haev a problem with the decision.

Damn, that's a lot of typos...

/I blame the Percocet..

mpirooz: Students doing it != to the school doing it, and this is coming from an extremely secular liberal moonbat here.

/Move along

I agree, this is what the constitution laid out when it described separation of church and state. I think anybody should be able to practice religion in school in anyway they seem fit as long as they don't force my kids to do it too or effect them learning something useful in real life.

I'm a liberal, pinko, commie, fag. I see nothing wrong with this.

Any 'liberal' posts in this thread are actually pretend posts to troll and/or make the other liberals look bad.

Just warning everyone.

It's their paper to waste.

I'm an atheist and have no problem with this. It's a student group, not a school-sanctioned extracurricular.

Hiro Nakamura: I'm an atheist and have no problem with this. It's a student group, not a school-sanctioned extracurricular.

This. As along as authority figures aren't ramming it down people's throats, there isn't an issue.

equilibrium: Mordant: You expect people to know details like that ? They just want to be popular and root for the bigger club.

I don't expect them to but I wish more of them actually had a clue about what their own religion says.

Hey Christians, there's no Heaven, no soul, no clouds, no harps, no pearly gates. When you die you lie rotting in the earth until bodily resurrected and judged.

Most of us know that. They rest is just fluff. BTW I also think evolution is supportted by science.

Parents organizing a student prayer group at an elementary school concerns me, but if the school is going to let them in, I have no problem with them advertising God on their posters.

Sounds like the school thought better of letting them in & tried to find a way to either get them out or lessen their impact.

Shadowknight: I don't get it. I'm as liberal as they come, and fairly anti-religion, but I don't see a problem here. It's a poster for a prayer group. Of course they are going to mention God.

What you don't get is that the submitter is dialed into the contemporary right wingers' deep-seated need to cast themselves as victims. They really believe that liberals are trying to "get rid of God" because without that their spiritual beliefs seem all that much weaker.

Unright: Damn, that's a lot of typos...

/I blame the Percocet..

I had Percocet when I have my vasectomy. They gave me a bottle of like 35 of them. I used four of them. I tried to stay on them, but they gave me the worst cotton mouth I've ever experienced. And the cumulative effect started to hit around pill 4, making me a little loopy. I just wanted to sit around and play video games while the wife took care of the kids, and all I wanted to do is stare at the screen while my character wondered what I was doing. I couldn't take it anymore, and just opted to suffer through. Not much suffering, really. It isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be, though gravity is definitely not your friend for a week or two.

Ended up flushing the rest of the pills as soon as I thought I was through the pain. Never took a narcotic before, and I hope to avoid it if possible in the future. Good luck to you, friend.

Hiro Nakamura: It's a student group, not a school-sanctioned extracurricular.

It looks like Prayng Parents brought the suit when students were told that the posters for their prayer group at the flagpole were unacceptable and had to be resubmitted. Five minutes research into Praying Parents reveals them to be a pack of douche bags.

http://www.oakridger.com/religion/x297232464/Ruling-to-come-later-in-school-pr ay er-lawsuit (new window)
During testimony, school officials said they didn't order that phrases including "In God We Trust" be covered up on posters promoting a "See You at the Pole" prayer event in September at Lakeview Elementary School.

The Tennessean reported testimony by assistant principal Bertie Alligood, who said she told the group the posters weren't acceptable and thought the parents were making new ones.

Two years prior to the event, a federal judge ruled that the school district was favoring the religious-based parent group over other members of the community.

"I knew we'd been involved in another lawsuit, and I knew it cost the school system a lot of money, so I wanted to be very careful," Alligood said.

Yeah, they're a pack a sanctimonious douche bags out to sue the school system for the slightest perceived limitation to their proselytizing.

AntiNerd: They really believe that liberals are trying to "get rid of God" because without that their spiritual beliefs seem all that much weaker.

Yup. Also coupled with that is the deep-seated need to believe that non-Christians actually know that the Jesus story is correct, but they choose not to dedicate themselves to Christ in order to pursue the sin they're addicted to.

In before---ah, fark it. This thread's headed south faster than the Devil on his way to Georgia.

AntiNerd:
What you don't get is that the submitter is dialed into the contemporary right wingers' deep-seated need to cast themselves as victims. They really believe that liberals are trying to "get rid of God" because without that their spiritual beliefs seem all that much weaker.

True enough. Though, you'd think God, being all powerful and all knowing, would be able to take care of himself without their protection.

It's like they think God is like Tinkerbell. If you don't believe in him, he'll shrivel up and die. Just cease to exist. CLAP! CLAP IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD!

I'm all about everyone's personal beliefs. So long as you're not trying to push it on me and mine, and you aren't raping kids like in that cult down in Texas (or wherever it was) I could care less.

This isn't the school pushing it, mandating it, or otherwise telling them this is what should be done. It's a student group. Now, if they had covered the halls with way too many posters all advertising God as the one option, I would have issue. If they started splattering the ten commandments everywhere, I'd have a problem. But they are just putting up a few posters advertising their prayer group. Have fun, guys.

AntiNerd: Shadowknight: I don't get it. I'm as liberal as they come, and fairly anti-religion, but I don't see a problem here. It's a poster for a prayer group. Of course they are going to mention God.

What you don't get is that the submitter is dialed into the contemporary right wingers' deep-seated need to cast themselves as victims. They really believe that liberals are trying to "get rid of God" because without that their spiritual beliefs seem all that much weaker.

A lot of Christians, find that an annoying, vocal, yet honestly insignificant minority of atheists hate Christianity. The fact is they all know atheists that are decnt people. They cross racial, political, and sexual lines. Atheist's have every right to believe and think like they do and should be given the same consideration we should give everyone and their beliefs. It is the douchebags on both sides that fark this up.

Shadowknight: Ended up flushing the rest of the pills as soon as I thought I was through the pain. Never took a narcotic before, and I hope to avoid it if possible in the future. Good luck to you, friend.

Maybe I'm on a lower dosage, but nothing that bad. It just makes me really tired and I get a bit of a temp spike. No cotton-mouth, but I've been drinking plenty of water because I heard it causes constipation.

/sorry for the threadjack, but there doesn't seem to be much disagreement in the thread...

AntiNerd: Shadowknight: I don't get it. I'm as liberal as they come, and fairly anti-religion, but I don't see a problem here. It's a poster for a prayer group. Of course they are going to mention God.

What you don't get is that the submitter is dialed into the contemporary right wingers' deep-seated need to cast themselves as victims. They really believe that liberals are trying to "get rid of God" because without that their spiritual beliefs seem all that much weaker.

Actually we're rightfully concerned that America's identity as a Christian nation is being gradually eroded by people targeting religious groups and stopping us from spreading the word just because it doesn't fit with their atheist viewpoint.

/I pray for more victories like this one.

equilibrium: It isn't Allah either. That's just Arabic for "God".

The point is that the same people are offended by the term, Mr. Pedantic Pants.

The Numbers: Actually we're rightfully concerned that America's identity as a Christian nation is being gradually eroded by people targeting religious groups and stopping us from spreading the word just because it doesn't fit with their atheist viewpoint.

I know you're trolling, but:

What's the worst that could happen if America 'loses its Christian identity'?

globalwarmingpraiser: A lot of Christians, find that an annoying, vocal, yet honestly insignificant minority of atheists hate Christianity. The fact is they all know atheists that are decnt people. They cross racial, political, and sexual lines. Atheist's have every right to believe and think like they do and should be given the same consideration we should give everyone and their beliefs. It is the douchebags on both sides that fark this up.

I disagree with you on a few things, but I'm in total agreement with you here. In fact, I've got a ton of respect for you for such an enlightened response. Kudos.

I'm doing a bong hit for Jesus right now so I don't see any problem with this.

The Numbers: Actually we're rightfully concerned that America's identity as a Christian nation is being gradually eroded by people targeting religious groups and stopping us from spreading the word just because it doesn't fit with their atheist viewpoint.

/I pray for more victories like this one.

This victory isn't what you think it is.

/hot like the fiery pits of hell

globalwarmingpraiser: Most of us know that.

I suspect that an informal poll using the question "what happens when you die?" or "do you have a soul?" would demonstrate just how wrong you are. The reflexive answer to the first is usually "go to heaven" and not "stay dead until the resurrection".

You might also want to think about why Christians spend so much time talking about and praying for the eternal soul when its existence isn't heavily supported by your theology.

In my experience, most Christians haven't moved past the stories they were told in sunday school.

The Numbers: Actually we're rightfully concerned that America's identity as a Christian nation is being gradually eroded by people targeting religious groups and stopping us from spreading the word just because it doesn't fit with their atheist viewpoint.

/I pray for more victories like this one.

*SMACK*

See, THAT'S why it runs into issues. We don't want to hear your word. If we did, we'd visit your church, your office, your house, or even your farking website. If we don't come to you, it's because we don't want your message.

We live in the information age, and information is easy to come by. We can get your information if we want. We just prefer it from other, more sensible sources.

That said, I don't mind you advertising via posters. But don't think this "victory" (as if you won something and put something over on us, as we didn't care about the posters to begin with) means that you can start beating us over the head with "the word" again.

R.A.Danny: The point is that the same people are offended by the term, Mr. Pedantic Pants.

I'm not wearing pants.

Sylviana: /hot like the fiery pits of hell

Are you saying it is impossible for a majority to have their rights infringed against? Or are you saying that infringements against rights are actually okay if they are against the majority?