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That is arfing sad.

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Investigators said the cause appeared to be head injuries from falling while the dogs were attacking him rather than the bites he suffered during the ordeal.

Dogs can snap at any moment, especially if there are more than one. All it takes is one little flash of the dominance instinct to start a fight.

Even my collie, the sweetest dog I've ever known, attacked a dog once. We were petsitting for a neighbor's golden, who was a very spoiled puppy and immediately decided everything in the house was hers, including the furniture and Molly's toys. She'd growl at Molly whenever Molly tried to get close to us or eat out of her own bowl.

Molly lost it about three days in. She was walking past the puppy toward her water dish. Dog was chewing on one of Molly's toys and growled at her. Molly turned, grabbed her by the throat, and flipped her over.

She let the puppy go, but that's what taught me that no matter how much you trust a dog, you can't assume it'll tolerate other dogs all the time.

/wonder how they could have stopped the fight in this case, though
//don't know how to calm fighting dogs
///RIP, dude

Do NOT try to break up a dogfight. It's not worth it. You may love your dog dearly, but it's not worth getting severely injured or even killed trying to break it up.

My mother nearly lost her hand when she tried to break up a fight between her Sheltie and a neighbor's boxer. Boxer bit her on the hand, doing some SERIOUS damage. 3 surgeries, years of physical therapy, and she has maybe 75% usage back.

The Sheltie only needed a bunch of stitches and was eventually okay. Your average pet dog rarely goes for the kill in a fight. If one of them submits, fight's over.

Make love, not war. Except with pigs.

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Subby was making fun of the UPI headline, not the story itself. Hence the quotation marks.

farking dags.

Slightly less embarrassing than being killed by mating dogs, I suppose.

Clock Spider Jerusalem: Slightly less embarrassing than being killed by mating dogs, I suppose.

Or being named after mating dogs.

/Why you ask?

This works if ya got one nearby.

Chinchillazilla: /wonder how they could have stopped the fight in this case, though
//don't know how to calm fighting dogs

My grandfather used to keep a large bag of pepper on him when he was with his dogs.

If the dogs got in a fight, he'd throw a handful of pepper at them. I saw him do it once, and it really did stop the fight immediately.

\spraying them with a hose works too

This -- along with all other problems in life -- could be solved if only we had beaming technology.

brigid_fitch
Do NOT try to break up a dogfight. It's not worth it. You may love your dog dearly, but it's not worth getting severely injured or even killed trying to break it up... Your average pet dog rarely goes for the kill in a fight. If one of them submits, fight's over.

So true. I can't imagine what this guy was thinking, wading into a fight between two German Shepherds. The dogs will sort it out with lots of noise and maybe a little blood.

I was kind of impressed that the dogs' owner requested they be put down. I'm not sure an American dog owner would have been as willing to accept responsibility for a situation their dogs intiated.

Yeah, I know, the guy shouldn't have tried to intervene but he probably panicked. I got caught up in a similar situation a few months ago when my daughter's Chow got out of our back yard. She was really hard to catch but was dragging her chain behind her so I thought I could wait until she got close to the front door and then grab her chain instead of trying to grab her. I didn't think about the fact that I had a tomcat and a brand new momma cat in my house.

They both waited until I opened the front door and took advantage of the screen door's hesitation. They both busted through the door to get to the dog and of course, the dog is trying to get right back at them. I was stuck in the middle of all of them with a chain wrapped around my hand and two cats hanging off of my legs. It took well over a minute to get out of it and I still don't remember how I managed. But, I do know that when it was all over, I had 44 bites, punctures and cuts. The scars are there for life, including the mental ones. I've never been so close to that kind of animal violence.

Long story, sorry...I just identify with the poor guy. It's easy to get overwhelmed by a situation like that.

I own a GSD; she's super sweet, but you wouldn't ever want to be on the receiving end of her if she was going after you. They are extremely intelligent, very strong, and fearless. For an example:

See tiny gif movie of GSD in action; note the gun shots before the dog comes flying into action (pops).

If you have to break up a fight between two dogs, get two people and you both have to grab their hind legs simultaneously and "wheelbarrow" them away from each other. They will be unable to bite you while doing this. Be very careful when you release. The best plan is to guide them to a kennel, get them inside, and then release and shut the door at once. Let them calm down afterwords.

If there are two people there (not the case here), you can pick up the dogs' back legs and wheelbarrow pull them. If you keep walking backward they can't turn on you, and they can't advance at each other.

narcolepticjim: If there are two people there (not the case here), you can pick up the dogs' back legs and wheelbarrow pull them. If you keep walking backward they can't turn on you, and they can't advance at each other.

I've had to do that a number of times with (believe it or not) two of my wife's cocker spaniels. They were both males (dad and son) and didn't get along. When they went after each other, they got pretty bad quickly. My son and I would do the wheelbarrow to their separated kennels and let them calm down. We finally found a really good home for the younger one (the son). As a note; when this was going on, my GSD would just watch and would only intervene if one of them tried to snap at me. She's protective of me that way. Luckily, she follows directions and instantly stopped when I told her to.

Trixie212: They both waited until I opened the front door and took advantage of the screen door's hesitation. They both busted through the door to get to the dog and of course, the dog is trying to get right back at them. I was stuck in the middle of all of them with a chain wrapped around my hand and two cats hanging off of my legs. It took well over a minute to get out of it and I still don't remember how I managed. But, I do know that when it was all over, I had 44 bites, punctures and cuts. The scars are there for life, including the mental ones. I've never been so close to that kind of animal violence.

Ok, in reality this is a horrifying story and I'm really sorry that it happened to you.

But your description of the chaos made me giggle.

I'm so sorry.

remus: I own a GSD; she's super sweet, but you wouldn't ever want to be on the receiving end of her if she was going after you. They are extremely intelligent, very strong, and fearless. For an example:

See tiny gif movie of GSD in action; note the gun shots before the dog comes flying into action (pops).

If you have to break up a fight between two dogs, get two people and you both have to grab their hind legs simultaneously and "wheelbarrow" them away from each other. They will be unable to bite you while doing this. Be very careful when you release. The best plan is to guide them to a kennel, get them inside, and then release and shut the door at once. Let them calm down afterwords.

That Dog just went OVER the car.
/superdog wants steak

gulogulo

It's perfectly okay. I'm pretty sure that if I had heard someone else describe it, I would have pictured something pretty hysterical, too. And in reality, it's certainly not something that qualifies as a horrible event.

It was more the total helplessness that was a little frightening. They were all biting me to get to each other. What made me the maddest was that I truly hate dogs and didn't want the stupid thing at my house in the first place but my daughter found it at the pound. She's normally really good natured...she just hates cats.

Trixie212: gulogulo

It's perfectly okay. I'm pretty sure that if I had heard someone else describe it, I would have pictured something pretty hysterical, too. And in reality, it's certainly not something that qualifies as a horrible event.

It was more the total helplessness that was a little frightening. They were all biting me to get to each other. What made me the maddest was that I truly hate dogs and didn't want the stupid thing at my house in the first place but my daughter found it at the pound. She's normally really good natured...she just hates cats.

Chows are one of the more unstable breeds, too. So it makes sense.

If it makes you feel better, birds shiat on me all the time. I mean all the friggin' time.

gulogulo: If it makes you feel better, birds shiat on me all the time. I mean all the friggin' time.

Someone from England is fapping.

gulogulo: If it makes you feel better, birds shiat on me all the time. I mean all the friggin' time.

Squirrels keep digging holes in all my plants. like every day. little bastards.

gulogulo: Trixie212: ... I've never been so close to that kind of animal violence.

Ok, in reality this is a horrifying story and I'm really sorry that it happened to you.

But your description of the chaos made me giggle.

I'm so sorry.


Glad I'm not the only bad person who laughed.

A Golden Retriever ran into our backyard once and attacked our Lab. She hooked her bottom jaw into his eye socket and wouldn't let go. It was horrible and blood went everywhere.

I also don't remember exactly what happened but I remember kicking that biatch as hard as I could.

Later, a neighbor came over and said "Damn, Wonder Woman, I didn't know you had it in you." Don't know what she meant, but apparently adrenaline has some memory erasers in it.

The guy died because he fell and hit his head, not from the dog bites. Darwin was going to get him sooner or later.
/lives with wiener dogs
//try to trip me to death on a regular basis

My cousin got attacked by a goose when he 5. He had those mittens with a string in it and it got hold of one and was dragging him accross the lawn. My aunt had to run out and whack with a broom.

It's a good thing I am not a parent because I would have laughed and gotten my camera.

Has everyone already seen the video of pinky the housecat (new window) who goes beserk and attacks someone?

It's very funny.

cyber_slacker: Has everyone already seen the video of pinky the housecat (new window) who goes beserk and attacks someone?

It's very funny.

LOLz ever since I watched that video and another one my cat's been looking everywhere. He seems determined to find the cat. It's too funny.

cyber_slacker: gulogulo: If it makes you feel better, birds shiat on me all the time. I mean all the friggin' time.

Someone from England is fapping.

Well, if that's the case they have some of the stinkiest spooge I've ever smelled. They must also have awesome aim, as once it was directly splatted into my eye. Its hard to look sexy and alluring when you're trying to get bird shiat out of your eye.

gulogulo: cyber_slacker: gulogulo: If it makes you feel better, birds shiat on me all the time. I mean all the friggin' time.

Someone from England is fapping.

Well, if that's the case they have some of the stinkiest spooge I've ever smelled. They must also have awesome aim, as once it was directly splatted into my eye. Its hard to look sexy and alluring when you're trying to get bird shiat out of your eye.

In England they call women "birds" in slang...

My manager at work had to go home early one day because her two pitbulls killed each other fighting over the attention of a meter reader. They just wanted to play and then it got about as ugly as you could imagine.

Sobrrr: her two pitbulls killed each other

...Damn.

/I bet they were reservoir dogs
//I apologize for that joke

cyber_slacker: In England they call women "birds" in slang...

Then I don't understand. How does a woman shiatting in my eye equal someone fapping in England?

Ew. Nevermind.

gulogulo: cyber_slacker: In England they call women "birds" in slang...

Then I don't understand. How does a woman shiatting in my eye equal someone fapping in England?

Ew. Nevermind.

Well, you see, some people...

Yeah, nevermind. I think it would been funnier if I'd just asked you if you were from England.

remus:
If you have to break up a fight between two dogs, get two people and you both have to grab their hind legs simultaneously and "wheelbarrow" them away from each other. They will be unable to bite you while doing this. Be very careful when you release. The best plan is to guide them to a kennel, get them inside, and then release and shut the door at once. Let them calm down afterwords.

good call on the wheelbarrow technique. this works really well, especially if a dog has another pinned and won;t let go. but be careful of snapping jaws coming back at you. if you know how to alpha roll a dog then you can usually do that as soon as you drop the dog since they will already be off balance.

also, if you have to get in between dogs, use your feet and your thighs and aim for the chest not the jaws.

sad story in any case, this sounds like a case of a meat-head owner. few well trained and well socialized animals have this level of aggression in them on such short notice.

Gerald Ford not impressed.

/Neither are the wolves.
//He was delicious.

remus
narcolepticjim: If there are two people there (not the case here), you can pick up the dogs' back legs and wheelbarrow pull them. If you keep walking backward they can't turn on you, and they can't advance at each other.

I've had to do that a number of times with (believe it or not) two of my wife's cocker spaniels. They were both males (dad and son) and didn't get along. When they went after each other, they got pretty bad quickly.

I don't know your dogs of course, but when mine go at it I let them go. One ends up winning and the pecking order is established.

Hat Madder: remus
narcolepticjim: If there are two people there (not the case here), you can pick up the dogs' back legs and wheelbarrow pull them. If you keep walking backward they can't turn on you, and they can't advance at each other.

I've had to do that a number of times with (believe it or not) two of my wife's cocker spaniels. They were both males (dad and son) and didn't get along. When they went after each other, they got pretty bad quickly.

I don't know your dogs of course, but when mine go at it I let them go. One ends up winning and the pecking order is established.

Yeah, I would have, but my wife would be crying each time afraid they'd hurt each other's ears, etc. She didn't want them hurting each other. Plus, the 2 yo baby would inevitably be in the middle of it, so we had to break them up quickly.

timbrr_wolf: That Dog just went OVER the car.
/superdog wants steak

And this is why you don't challenge the nice police doggy, especially if it's a GSD.

remus: I own a GSD; she's super sweet, but you wouldn't ever want to be on the receiving end of her if she was going after you. They are extremely intelligent, very strong, and fearless. For an example:

See tiny gif movie of GSD in action; note the gun shots before the dog comes flying into action (pops).

If you have to break up a fight between two dogs, get two people and you both have to grab their hind legs simultaneously and "wheelbarrow" them away from each other. They will be unable to bite you while doing this. Be very careful when you release. The best plan is to guide them to a kennel, get them inside, and then release and shut the door at once. Let them calm down afterwords.

SUPER FARKING DOG! Hahaha! Full of win!

Was Hannibal Lecter involved? Of course, the guy in that book also ripped his face off and fed it to his starving fighting dogs. But he didn't die.

His sister killed him by shoving an eel down his throat.

I am not making this up.

Meh, if it is not my dogs, let them kill each other.

This year Perry had surpassed himself by getting a Wrestling Dog! But who would fight this wondrous beast?

He really should stick to fighting giraffes (POWS).

remus:I own a GSD; she's super sweet, but you wouldn't ever want to be on the receiving end of her if she was going after you. They are extremely intelligent, very strong, and fearless.

I own a well trained Belgian Malinois...which is what the dog in the video appears to be. Sure it's a German? The coat and behavior seem more Mal to me.

Based on what I observed during training, the "attack/launch" cycle is a bit different: GSD's run to target, hesitate to re-evaluate about 2-3 feet away, and then leap. Mal's tend to launch from full stride much further away, often 6+ feet from target.

Having worn the bite suit for numerous engagements, I can tell you that getting hit by a Mal carries lots more KE than getting hit by a GSD. I'm 6'2" and 220 lbs, but 60 lb. Mals could often and immediately knock me off my feet; whereas GSD's would bring me down much more slowly (dog hits, pulls, drops me to knees, then I'd assume prone to have the trainer break them off).

Similar jaw strength (very high) and intellect, but different attack styles.

/Truth be told, my Sophie's awesome training has only had practical applications in keeping Muscovy ducks out of my yard and garden. Though seeing her pull tail feathers off of three interlopers the other day made it well worth training time and cost.

m053486: remus:I own a GSD; she's super sweet, but you wouldn't ever want to be on the receiving end of her if she was going after you. They are extremely intelligent, very strong, and fearless.

I own a well trained Belgian Malinois...which is what the dog in the video appears to be. Sure it's a German? The coat and behavior seem more Mal to me.

Based on what I observed during training, the "attack/launch" cycle is a bit different: GSD's run to target, hesitate to re-evaluate about 2-3 feet away, and then leap. Mal's tend to launch from full stride much further away, often 6+ feet from target.

Having worn the bite suit for numerous engagements, I can tell you that getting hit by a Mal carries lots more KE than getting hit by a GSD. I'm 6'2" and 220 lbs, but 60 lb. Mals could often and immediately knock me off my feet; whereas GSD's would bring me down much more slowly (dog hits, pulls, drops me to knees, then I'd assume prone to have the trainer break them off).

Similar jaw strength (very high) and intellect, but different attack styles.

/Truth be told, my Sophie's awesome training has only had practical applications in keeping Muscovy ducks out of my yard and garden. Though seeing her pull tail feathers off of three interlopers the other day made it well worth training time and cost.

The dog in the video isn't mine; the description I got when a friend emailed it to me was that it was a GSD.

I wish my Sophie was trained better; I just don't have the time. I've got her to follow hand commands for all the basics and taught her to stand down at my command (even with a squirrel hopelessly too far from a tree).

Here's my Sophie:

remus:I wish my Sophie was trained better; I just don't have the time. I've got her to follow hand commands for all the basics and taught her to stand down at my command (even with a squirrel hopelessly too far from a tree).

Is yours really a Sophie, too? Small world indeed.

Honestly, that's about our level of training on Sophie. Teaching them to detach from whatever has their attention and focusing back on you is one of the tougher lessons. Once they have that, they're better trained than 99% of the other dogs you'll encounter.

Also, on a weird note: our Sophie is totally not bothered by squirrels. Their presence doesn't interest her in the least. Ducks, on the other hand, send her into a tizzy. Who knows, I guess she's just a bit of a weirdo.

remus

I'd attach a pic, but I've never tried in a post before...I'll save that for a later date. Or hit me on my email (in profile) and I'll shoot you a few of my Sophie. Unfortunately I didn't get any action shots during her training, as her mom (the family photographer) had to work when I took Sophie to classes. Still wish I had a shot of her tackling an aggressor at full extension.