Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

It would be a big help... in this economy...

Have you ever fixed the economy.....ON WEED?!!

everything seems like a good idea when you're high

But some things seem like an awesome, totally biatchin' idea:

All-Foyer Mansion (new window)

While we're at it, let's legalize prostitution as well, please.

I'm sure a 1% tax on legalized pot would single-handedly save California from bankruptcy, and make Humboldt County rich.

Mmmmm. Hot towel.

Dude... wait. What?

legalization makes perfect sense. But we're still not gonna do it. We don't base our laws on scientific fact, we base them on what will get someone re-elected. responsible government never got someone into office - you have to create a crisis, then promise to fix that crisis. THAT gets you re-elected.

Weaver95: legalization makes perfect sense. But we're still not gonna do it. We don't base our laws on scientific fact, we base them on what will get someone re-elected. responsible government never got someone into office - you have to create a crisis, then promise to fix that crisis. THAT gets you re-elected.

I'd be in favor of legalization with a 10% state or federal tax. Hell, they tax tobacco FAR more than that. Seems to me that in these days when so many people are rabidly complaining about taxes, but our government desperately needs the revenue, this would be a quite easy way to get people to pay more taxes voluntarily - and I guarantee no users will complain about a 10% tax on weed if the alternative is to keep it illegal.

Weaver95: legalization makes perfect sense. But we're still not gonna do it. We don't base our laws on scientific fact, we base them on what will get someone re-elected. responsible government never got someone into office - you have to create a crisis, then promise to fix that crisis. THAT gets you re-elected.

As a stoner friend once said: Weed will never be legal because everyone who wants it can get it. No politician wants to come out in favor of full legalizing it any more than they would be lenient on sex offenders or DUIs.

I'm up for small amounts for personal use....and growing yer own.

As long as we legally treat being high in the same way we legally treat being drunk I'm pro legalization.

findthefish: I'm up for small amounts for personal use....and growing yer own.

I would love to grow my own. Don't know how to get started.

This would solve the serious problem of me having to talk to my stoned friends whilst sober.

queezyweezel: Have you ever fixed the economy.....ON WEED?!!

lol, great one.

Obama opposes legalization. Legalization is off the table for at least the next 4 or 8 years.

SamFlagg: As long as we legally treat being high in the same way we legally treat being drunk I'm pro legalization.

You mean one beer and you lose your job, car and all your money?

Weaver95: legalization makes perfect sense. But we're still not gonna do it. We don't base our laws on scientific fact, we base them on what will get someone re-elected. responsible government never got someone into office - you have to create a crisis, then promise to fix that crisis. THAT gets you re-elected.

What gets me is some of the biggest opponents of weed are the very religious folks. Either because it's "immoral" or it's going to destroy society, or whatever.

But wait, I say. Didn't "God" put this plant here for us to enjoy? What could be so immoral about it? And I agree that if you consume it you shouldn't act like an ass, but as the article pointed out, alcohol is much worse in many ways. Maybe if people could freely consume weed we would have less alcoholics.

My nephew legally grows his own in Oregon. Legalization would really piss him off, no more bucks from his uncle.

Weed will never be legalized, because, like, the corporations know that it's a source of free fuel, it cures all sorts of diseases, and, you know, improves creativity so a bunch of small businesses would pop up and challenge the Man. And... the... military industrial complex will never let that happen, man. So we gotta fight the power by throwing a garbage can through the window of Starbucks. That'll show em!

flyurchin: findthefish: I'm up for small amounts for personal use....and growing yer own.

I would love to grow my own. Don't know how to get started.

It's a weed. Put seeds in dirt, add water.

SamFlagg: As long as we legally treat being high in the same way we legally treat being drunk I'm pro legalization.

"* The maximum road tracking impairment after the highest THC dose (300 ug/kg) was within a range of effects produced by many commonly used medicinal drugs and less than that associated with a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) of 0.08g% in previous studies employing the same test.
* It is not possible to conclude anything about a driver's impairment on the basis of his/her plasma concentrations of THC and THC-COOH determined in a single sample."

U.S. Department of Transportation,
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
(DOT HS 808 078), Final Report, November 1993:

everything seems like a good idea when you're high

except for trying to talk to pretty girls

Epsilon: I'd be in favor of legalization with a 10% state or federal tax. Hell, they tax tobacco FAR more than that. Seems to me that in these days when so many people are rabidly complaining about taxes, but our government desperately needs the revenue, this would be a quite easy way to get people to pay more taxes voluntarily - and I guarantee no users will complain about a 10% tax on weed if the alternative is to keep it illegal.

They could (and will) tax it alot higher than that. I would guess more along the lines of a 50-100% tax. But you also have to figure that the price would go down some too, so essentially you would be paying what you pay now.

/I just pickep up some podey ass 30/60 nugz so I am also getting a kick out of this thread.

Epsilon: Seems to me that in these days when so many people are rabidly complaining about taxes, but our government desperately needs the revenue

Uh, no. How about dramatically reducing the size of government? Just like you & me, don't spend what you don't make.

Pot won't be legalized because there's too much money & power involved. DEA, FBI, CIA, ATF, etc. get billions & billions of dollars a year to fight the "war on drugs." If pot were legalized, those agencies & the people who run them would have less power and less federal money (read: OUR money).

Perhaps a catchy song would help the cause.

It should be legal because drugs are like...MADE, man, and pot's not a drug 'cause it's from the earth, man, y'know... its from THE EARTH

Fano: As a stoner friend once said: Weed will never be legal because everyone who wants it can get it. No politician wants to come out in favor of full legalizing it any more than they would be lenient on sex offenders or DUIs.

Not even for the obvious tax benefits to the government? They're missing a golden opportunity. I realize it would be strange for a politician to say, "Look, if we legalize this stuff we can afford to build 10 new schools in the state next year, and we can build 30 new fire stations, and we can re-open the parks we were forced to close, and we can fill the potholes in the roads." But if a politician had the balls to do that and the voters were smart enough to rationally evaluate it, then we'd have change.

thenateman: Obama opposes legalization. Legalization is off the table for at least the next 4 or 8 years.

He also opposes gay marriage. But like that, this is going to be a states rights issue and states will be paving the way for national legalization, not the federal government.

thenateman: Obama opposes legalization. Legalization is off the table for at least the next 4 or 8 years.

Desperate times breed desperate measures. I don't think *anything* is 'off the table', not completely.

Chrysler is bankrupt, GM might just shut down for the summer and take their ENTIRE supply chain with them. wall street bankers are sucking down public money and giving themselves pay raises. Taxes are going to to waaaay up this year. All of which tells me that D.C. is going to be desperate for money. And desperate people do desperate things. out of all the desperate things we could do, the least damaging one would be to legalize cannabis.

Every year, legalization becomes a more pressing issue. There is more marijuana documentaries and studies done every year and thus, the general public is becoming a lot more informed of the medical and economic benefits.

Marijuana will become legalized in our lifetimes, but I don't see it happening for a little while longer. At least not while most of the legislators and congressmen are old geezers who grew up in rural America predating the sexual revolution era. There is a generational gap between us and many elected officials. I mean, most of these guys still get queezy at the thought of two consenting males (or females) making the decision to get married. So give it some time..

On the other hand, legalizing for the sake of saving our economy seems like a "last possible solution" policy. If we legalize pot to get out of this recession, I'd lose a little faith in policy makers.

But I suppose if you really want weed legalized and fast, just keep not-spending money and allow the economic rathole to widen until its the last option.

/I'm too fried to post anything coherent
//so if my post sounds retarded, I'm baked.

pwhp_67: It would be a big help... in this economy...


Actually no, it wouldn't.

Link (new window)

I am pro legalization but the economic argument doesn't hold up.

Solty Dog: Perhaps a catchy song would help the cause.

Or at least the melody to "Funky Town" played using an alarm system keypad.

thenateman: Obama opposes legalization. Legalization is off the table for at least the next 4 or 8 years.

You need to read between the lines.

/Obama sees legalization as a states right and won't interfere with the democratic process of the state. So if California legalizes he won't care because the great people of California voted for it.

He has already demonstrated this with the medical raid, and that the feds won't get involed.
So after California legalizes MJ it's just a matter of time before the other states jump on board.

I wish there were a political party which strongly supported state sovereignty and a small federal government. That way, issues like this could be handled differently state to state, and I, as a free American, could live in whatever state I wanted.

This party could also strongly support conservative federal spending, low taxes, separation of church and state, and all that other good constitutional stuff.

If only there was a political party like that. Because all I see now is hippie liberal douches and whiney Jesus-freaks.

Potheads: more useless than the homeless.

Anything is possible if you smoke enough doobies.

I'm sorry, let me clarify, I don't mean drunk to be exclusively for drunk driving. What I mean is things like if you show up baked for work you can be fired just as if you could be fired for showing up drunk at work. Hell depending on the workplace you could be fired for showing up simply buzzed off of either substance. I'm pro legalization, but I'm not anti-consequences. I want it to have exactly the same connotation as alcohol in terms of what one can get away with. (whether or not driving high and driving drunk are of similar levels of impairment is a separate legal argument.)

Just because it would be legal would not make it legal to do it anywhere you damn well pleased.

God Damnit.

I smoke weed and I want harsher punishments for people caught with pot after reading that article. What a self important douchebag.

"Legalize drugs for the boomers but nobody else!"
"Do it because we'll do the favor of shutting our baby boomer noise holes, rather when whining into old age"

Look you old fark. If we don't want to deal with you whining about your lawn and changing your diapers we will just let you die the same way you let our country slide into decline.

People like this retard only hurt the legalization cause.

Karma Chameleon: thenateman: Obama opposes legalization. Legalization is off the table for at least the next 4 or 8 years.

He also opposes gay marriage. But like that, this is going to be a states rights issue and states will be paving the way for national legalization, not the federal government.

The best thing Obama has done in his presidency is stop DEA raids unless the people were violating state and federal law. This policy paves the way for statewide and local medical marijuana and decriminalization to occur.

It does not yield the kind of tax benefits to the government that full legalization and regulation would.

JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: I just pickep up some podey ass 30/60 nugz so I am also getting a kick out of this thread.

Can somebody please translate this from Stoner to English?

I'm all for legalisation and taxation. I reckon I'd end up paying less per gram than I do now.

Only because then a gram of weed might actually weight a gram rather than 0.6 grams :-(

/shiatty dealers

I've never smoked weed so I'm asking this question because I'm curious. Does it affect your ability to operate machinery or vehicles?

Can the average person do their job after smoking weed?

StoneColdAtheist: JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: I just pickep up some podey ass 30/60 nugz so I am also getting a kick out of this thread.

Can somebody please translate this from Stoner to English?


He just purchased a quantifiable amount of Marijuana and thus, is amused by the comments posted in this message board.

JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: Karma Chameleon: thenateman: Obama opposes legalization. Legalization is off the table for at least the next 4 or 8 years.

He also opposes gay marriage. But like that, this is going to be a states rights issue and states will be paving the way for national legalization, not the federal government.

The best thing Obama has done in his presidency is stop DEA raids unless the people were violating state and federal law. This policy paves the way for statewide and local medical marijuana and decriminalization to occur.

It does not yield the kind of tax benefits to the government that full legalization and regulation would.

No, it's a step in the right direction though. I'm personally not concerned about the "pot will save the economy!!1" arguments. Maybe it can help, maybe not. I just want to go get high at the park and not be harassed.

/also want full medical MJ benefits for anyone who needs them

SamFlagg: I'm sorry, let me clarify, I don't mean drunk to be exclusively for drunk driving. What I mean is things like if you show up baked for work you can be fired just as if you could be fired for showing up drunk at work. Hell depending on the workplace you could be fired for showing up simply buzzed off of either substance. I'm pro legalization, but I'm not anti-consequences. I want it to have exactly the same connotation as alcohol in terms of what one can get away with. (whether or not driving high and driving drunk are of similar levels of impairment is a separate legal argument.)

Just because it would be legal would not make it legal to do it anywhere you damn well pleased.

There are plenty of bosses who would tolerate the three martini lunch or a beer in the late afternoon but would can your ass on the spot if they even knew you smoked.

I don't think legalization will change those people;s minds, actually I think it will result in more workplace drug testing.

Luckily my boss is "cool".