I think they're screwed. the only ones who seem to have a plan for the GOP are the fundies, and they're all nuts.

the next 6 months or so could be the key. if the sane and rational members of the party can regain control, they MIGHT manage to salvage something from the wreckage. But that is a BIG 'if' right now.

If the Republicans lose in 2010, I think they're done as a national party. they MIGHT even manage to implode before that, but I think 2010 could be the official end of the Republican party, at least at the federal level.

Weaver95: if the sane and rational members of the party can regain control, they MIGHT manage to salvage something from the wreckage.

Yeah, all five of them.

Weaver95: I think they're screwed. the only ones who seem to have a plan for the GOP are the fundies, and they're all nuts.

the next 6 months or so could be the key. if the sane and rational members of the party can regain control, they MIGHT manage to salvage something from the wreckage. But that is a BIG 'if' right now.

If the Republicans lose in 2010, I think they're done as a national party. they MIGHT even manage to implode before that, but I think 2010 could be the official end of the Republican party, at least at the federal level.

I hope you're wrong, I hope that the rational side takes back their party from the "farkin' crazies", to quote Colin Powell.

But they seem to have doubled down on the economy tanking and are hoping that everything fails and then they will win by default. If they were to really put forth ideas, like they did with the Contract With America, then they might stand a chance. As long as they keep this "ZOMG! Obama offended me when he...(insert fauxrage here)", then nobody will be flocking to them.

I am interested to see what happens in the Northeast. They have lost most of New England and if Snowe or Collins makes the jump to the Dems or becomes Independent, they will be officially a regional party, like the Dems from 94 to 2006 were. Only this might last longer.

Weaver95: I think they're screwed.

Agreed. In a way I wish they would die just so the social moderates and fiscal conservatives could form a party without having to pander to the religious freakjobs. I think a lot of people from the current democratic side would join that party, but the right wing extremists make the current republican party unpalatable as it stands.

For that matter, this is a perfect time for the third parties to make some inroads. They won't get the White House but they could make some headway in lower level offices, especially if the republican leadership keeps on their current course of "ZOMG!!1! Michelle Obama touched the Queen LOLWTF!!" type propaganda.

/RON PAUL

I pretty much agree with everything that's been said already. Driving away moderates from your party is a surefire way to doom yourself to federal losses. It would seem that the Republicans in office have strapped themselves to the 'Further and Further Right Wing Froth Express' and they don't care that the tracks lead into a river.

Yeah, we'd be fine if they dropped all the "social" crap and went pure "small government". But that's not in the best interest of the inside the beltway types.

BladBoy: like they did with the Contract With America

The problem is that we can look at that Contract With America and compare it to what they were about afterward and say "Wow, that was just a lot of words to them, their words and actions didn't match up at all." It was all about reforming the government and congress, and they did almost none of what they said they were going to do. What's the term limit for committee chairs? How many of them acted like laws still apply to them?

And THEN they said "aha, as part of our Contract, we're going to start legislating morality..." when that was nowhere in there in the "we promise this, elect us" phase of things.

Yeah, they can let the "sane" ones have the reins again, like they did in 1994. But when we said "oh look they're sane" we got what we've been living with since.

I know lots of americans have short memories, but I think people running campaigns against them might be inclined to remind people about it.

They need a COMPLETE makeover.

How bad is it for the GOP now? Nearly half of their own members even say their own leaders are pretty much clueless

True, but then again the members themselves are clueless as well so the poll results are pretty much irrelevant

But do you actually understand why we say the GOP leaders are clueless? Do you really?

There's only one leader who's certified witchcraft-free.
A den mother to lead her cubs out of the wilderness.

Weaver95: the only ones who seem to have a plan for the GOP are the fundies

There's also the plan of stamping their feet, jamming their fingers in their ears, and screaming that everything is fine. Combine that with desperately trying to point out faults in the dems and they may really be on to something this time.

Hobodeluxe: There's only one leader who's certified witchcraft-free.
A den mother to lead her cubs out of the wilderness.

i laughed
+1

Does any one have a link to a time elapsed video of the Political Inclination Thermometric Analyzer? I'm tripping on mushrooms and my Pink Floyd the Wall DVD is scratched.
/Nevermind there's some grass growing in my back lawn.

America as a whole is becoming less religious.
The GOP is driving moderates away and leaning further to the right then ever.

It's working about as well as you would expect.

I like how the GOP are in such trouble and they aren't a threat at all. So much so that the left has to remind us daily exactly how much of a threat they no longer are.

randomjsa: But do you actually understand why we say the GOP leaders are clueless? Do you really?

Wait wait, let me guess. They aren't conservative enough.


Bwahahahahaha

Hobodeluxe

I wouldn't fark Sarah Palin, but I would fark that drawing of her.

HotWingConspiracy: randomjsa: But do you actually understand why we say the GOP leaders are clueless? Do you really?

Wait wait, let me guess. They aren't conservative enough.


Bwahahahahaha

I think it's because of the Democrat party.

they've always sucked.

it's just that the american dullards are finally starting to wake the fark up.

-bush and cheney should hang for war crimes.

Don't you liberals have anybody to personally destroy today for speaking against your orthodoxy?

Maybe a Sunday school teacher in Des Moines who believes in traditional marriage?

A factory worker in Detroit who thinks he's taxed too much?

A stay-at-home Mom in Kansas who thinks abortion's wrong?

Snap to it, people! Share your love, acceptance and positivity with the world!

Party is screwed unless Arnold becomes the GOP chairman(or whatever). He's the only mainstream Republican with both proven chops as a moderate and one that can compromise if all the political chips are against him

FishingWithFredo: Don't you liberals have anybody to personally destroy today for speaking against your orthodoxy?

Maybe a Sunday school teacher in Des Moines who believes in traditional marriage?

A factory worker in Detroit who thinks he's taxed too much?

A stay-at-home Mom in Kansas who thinks abortion's wrong?

Snap to it, people! Share your love, acceptance and positivity with the world!

Can you supply some pictures? It's easier when they're fat.

It looks as if around 21% of America is clueless.

My prediction is that a strong 3rd party will emerge for the 2012 election, which will be based on a moderate, center-right philosophy. It won't win, because the non-Democratic vote will split between the extreme rightwing (who will stick with the Republican Party) and the more moderate new 3rd party. The Democrats will be unified behind Obama.

Nonetheless, this is the beginning of the end of the Republican Party. And the conservative electorate has become fatally fractured between moderates and the extreme rightwing. I'd say that Democrats have at least the next 2 presidential elections fairly well locked up.

HotWingConspiracy: randomjsa: But do you actually understand why we say the GOP leaders are clueless? Do you really?

Wait wait, let me guess. They aren't conservative enough.


So the fact that Republicans won right up until they became big government advocates and started pushing for amnesty... Which dropped their approval among Republicans and Conservatives in the toilet.

The Democrats go screaming to the left and win, the Republicans get more centralist and lose, so go ahead, laugh it up and when we're finally rid of non-Conservative Republicans we can amuse ourselves watching the Republicans take control of the government again. What, didn't notice the 1980s and 1994?

Most of the electorate has a short term memory. By 2016 people will forget how bad Bush/Cheney were and the Republican party will be a viable option again.

FishingWithFredo: Don't you liberals have anybody to personally destroy today for speaking against your orthodoxy?
Maybe a Sunday school teacher in Des Moines who believes in traditional marriage?
A factory worker in Detroit who thinks he's taxed too much?
A stay-at-home Mom in Kansas who thinks abortion's wrong?

Sure, if you round them up for us first. They're not called the teleport over states.

randomjsa: HotWingConspiracy: randomjsa: But do you actually understand why we say the GOP leaders are clueless? Do you really?

Wait wait, let me guess. They aren't conservative enough.


So the fact that Republicans won right up until they became big government advocates and started pushing for amnesty... Which dropped their approval among Republicans and Conservatives in the toilet.

The Democrats go screaming to the left and win, the Republicans get more centralist and lose, so go ahead, laugh it up and when we're finally rid of non-Conservative Republicans we can amuse ourselves watching the Republicans take control of the government again. What, didn't notice the 1980s and 1994?

Fewer and fewer members of the electorate identify as conservative every year. You're looking to please a shrinking demographic at the cost of the growing ones.

Good luck with all that.

bhcompy 2009-05-02 11:39:08 AM
Party is screwed unless Arnold becomes the GOP chairman(or whatever). He's the only mainstream Republican with both proven chops as a moderate and one that can compromise if all the political chips are against him


Don't forget the proven record of fiscal incompetence.

What the Republicans are incapable of doing is make themselves look good anymore. They are flailing with poor attack ads against attack ads and attack interviews.

They are showing themselves to be angry wingnuts that aren't even able to get their facts straight. Just look at this week's other threads to see what a mess they make of the interviews.

If they can't find a positive message they will be a minority party for a long time.

1988 -
West Virginia voted for Dukakis because it's full of poor white people.

2008 -
West Virginia voted for McCain because it's full of poor white people.

20 years ago the Republicans were the smart, competent ones. Engineers, scientists, that I knew were overwhelmingly Republican. In the last election, Obama got a majority of doctors and banking employees (heard on NPR, no link to cite, sorry). Despite some brazen hypocrites like Barney Frank, our best and brightest believe our money and medical industry are safe with democrats.

The Republican party in 2012 will be abortion activists, home schoolers, and 2nd tier country musicians selling their next "Amurica Fark Yea" CD.

It's a good thing William F. Buckley has gone to that albescent reward of the other eremites where his onanistic obfuscation can mollify to insouciance.

Hannity, Coulter and O'Reilly wouldn't last a minute on Firing Line with its non-country music theme song and fancy words.

/old school country club Republican
//Grandfather voted against FDR all 4 times

Ready for the bad news?

The republican party is not dead and no third party is going to come in and take their place.
They'll lose slightly more than they are used to for awhile. Then make a comeback using the same buzz words they've used for the last 50 years.

They're a wounded bear that's just licking its wounds right now. And a wounded animal is probably more dangerous than a healthy one.

keloyd: It's a good thing William F. Buckley has gone to that albescent reward of the other eremites where his onanistic obfuscation can mollify to insouciance.

log_jammin: Ready for the bad news?

The republican party is not dead and no third party is going to come in and take their place.
They'll lose slightly more than they are used to for awhile. Then make a comeback using the same buzz words they've used for the last 50 years.

They're a wounded bear that's just licking its wounds right now. And a wounded animal is probably more dangerous than a healthy one.

...in the same way as a crashing plane is more dangerous than a flying one?

FishingWithFredo: Don't you liberals have anybody to personally destroy today for speaking against your orthodoxy?

Maybe a Sunday school teacher in Des Moines who believes in traditional marriage?

A factory worker in Detroit who thinks he's taxed too much?

A stay-at-home Mom in Kansas who thinks abortion's wrong?

Snap to it, people! Share your love, acceptance and positivity with the world!

your propaganda is close to parody...

The answer to the GOP's problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp4jwtFlXho (new window)

The Republicans came to power by forging an unholy alliance between the social conservatives and the corporate conservatives. They were willing to support each others' agenda, but only up to a point and then it fell apart.

For example stem cell research. To half the Republican party it is pretty much the same thing as baby killing. To the other half it was either a) too much government interference in the "free market" and/or b) an inhibition on making U.S. corporations competitive with foreign corporations that weren't carrying the religious baggage. How are those two groups ever supposed to vote together?

They did for a while, but then it just got too expensive. The corporate money is now with the Democrats, who are all too biddable to the big money interests no matter how many commie labels the remaining Republicans try to stick on them.

The whack jobs had their run, and thanks to cable media and the Internet their voices are louder than ever, but they have always been a far minority and barring a major social upset they will never be in control of anything past the local level again. I refer you to Texas.

The current leaders do suck. Take a look a Boehner's ad yesterday. Beyond pathetic.

But all it takes is one good leader. Then everything changes.

What if Obama didn't exist among Democrats. How many good Democratic leaders could take his place. Pelosi? Clinton? Biden? Kerry? Nope, without Obama, Democrats would be in the same boat Republicans are currently in.

The GOP is as dead now as the DNC was in 2002-2006.

This is how it works. One party gets power, goes ape-shiat nuts for a few years and implodes and the opposing party takes over and does exactly the same thing.

Pretty soon the cackling old Pelosi sow and Hopey Jug-ears will be a memory.

Thesis, antithesis, synthesis.

randomjsa: when we're finally rid of non-Conservative Republicans

get right on that, ok ?

Bring sandwiches though, lots of them. You're going to be busy for a while.

Weaver95: I think they're screwed. the only ones who seem to have a plan for the GOP are the fundies, and they're all nuts.

the next 6 months or so could be the key. if the sane and rational members of the party can regain control, they MIGHT manage to salvage something from the wreckage. But that is a BIG 'if' right now.

If the Republicans lose in 2010, I think they're done as a national party. they MIGHT even manage to implode before that, but I think 2010 could be the official end of the Republican party, at least at the federal level.

The Republican party will die if they ever lose the pro-life angle. That is the only reason why my parents continue to vote republican, regardless of how bad the party screws up.

Hobodeluxe - damn, you win all the internets. Sometimes a picture is worth 1000 words and several minutes of quiet time. just. damn.

Shadowknight -
Dennis Miller is a showoff; Buckley showed off so well, with such skill, that he seemed to not even realize he was showing off.

/Requiescat in pace

Until and unless the GOP stops being the more Corporatist party, they will always have a shot. For the simple reason that the corporations own the media, and thus control the message.

If the media had been about truth (and the people cared), fully 90% of the republicans would be out of office and maybe 70% of the democrats. And an awful lot more people would be in jail. Or dead.

Nobody likes the Republican Party. If it was an ice cream it would be pralines and dick.

Moderate conservatives hate it because of the religious fundementalism and wingnuts hate it because they don't advocate a zero-percent tax rate and herding all the illegal aliens into special camps. They each refer to themselves as the "True" conservatives. And they each point to other for destroying the party and losing the election.

mesohorny: The answer to the GOP's problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp4jwtFlXho (new window)

That pretty much nailed it.

mesohorny: The answer to the GOP's problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp4jwtFlXho (new window)

That was painful to listen to.

Lord_Baull: bhcompy 2009-05-02 11:39:08 AM
Party is screwed unless Arnold becomes the GOP chairman(or whatever). He's the only mainstream Republican with both proven chops as a moderate and one that can compromise if all the political chips are against him


Don't forget the proven record of fiscal incompetence.

honestly, i dont see how one can make that claim. the state is in dire straits because of guaranteed money in the general fund approved by voters through the initiative system(add another 40billion+ last year, thanks voters) and an uncompromising and divided legislature that would make the UAW/big3 relationship look like a happy marriage

Lets not get full of ourselves libs.

Now is not the time to start believing we have a 50 year majority in our future. Thats the kind of delusion that repubs deal in.

We need to stay focused on fixing the mess the cons left behind and avoiding the kind of mass hallucinations that prevented them from correcting their mistakes.

look, the problem with this country is that socialists are starting to take on the role of master. Miller lite in epic quantities couldnt even begin to drown out how lowsy this makes me feel. If your going to be a socialist, Please know that you are runing the country. we all get it, you love to appease Europe cuz your all cleaver like a fox. die in a socialist nightmare if you like, but not me. some might prefer we run around europe with a chicken and its head cut off Blaming 'conservative america" for everything, but i prefer to stick with Capitolism instead of pretending to be some emotionless analitical vulcan. Ravenous marxism only leads to a less morale and safe society. why do you otherwise think kids in america care today less about themself and more that we pored some Liquid on the face of a Muslim guy who wants to kill our troops, like an iraqi sniper. wolf blitzer had some democrat on a couple days ago crying about how we need to save the banks and all this, and he came off as a total psycho. Man tis is the kind of stuff i just Can't take anymore cuz it seem like the more 'socialist' our contry gets, the more likly we are to vote more guys in who worship Colonel sanders instead of the real small business capitolists who make this country work. But whatever, obamabots, your guy is the big boss now so the fate of the contry is up to yall. So, you like to play games with the contrys future? thats fine. i downloaded a movie, i don't have a vcd codec anymore so I can't quote it exactly, but it said something like "the only thing that makes this country work is good Capitolist morales, everything else is just a fatman in a copy suit', and i dont mean that with any vitrol. Gates the pakistan appeaser, Hillary, and all other sorts of crazy libs are running our contry into the ground, so i hope you socialists are happy wiht your lot. A conservative is a tuff thing to come by these days, especially on a site like fark. They make you feel like a snake around here for speaking your mind. but i don't care, i speak my mind, and ill give you a healthy doce. lots of socialists will probably read this and get upset, but i don't care, cuz i feel like for america right now, thanks to socialism, its game over.

keiverarrow: Hobodeluxe

I wouldn't fark Sarah Palin, but I would fark that drawing of her.

Take it from me... print that thing out first. Monitors are expensive. Sometimes ya gotta learn the hard way.

I'd actually love a fiscally conservative party. Unfortunately, I also think. So the idea of voting for the current incarnation of the GOP is laughable at best. Call me when you kick out Jesus' Fan Club and the segment that wants to tell me toothless hicks in Appalachia are more "true Americans" than the rest of us.