FTFA: Still, the poll of 603 likely Iowa voters found that roughly a quarter preferred a candidate who stresses issues such as gay marriage and abortion.

...

The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.


Roughly a quarter, with a +/- of 4%, care more about bullshiat wedge issues than actual government, huh?

I am somehow not shocked by this.

BKITU: FTFA: Still, the poll of 603 likely Iowa voters found that roughly a quarter preferred a candidate who stresses issues such as gay marriage and abortion.

...

The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.


Roughly a quarter, with a +/- of 4%, care more about bullshiat wedge issues than actual government, huh?

I am somehow not shocked by this.

a quarter of GOP voters? iowa is a pretty blue state these days.

FlashHarry: a quarter of GOP voters?

No, TFA says it was conducted by a GOP group, but it was a poll of likely voters.

BKITU: FlashHarry: a quarter of GOP voters?

No, TFA says it was conducted by a GOP group, but it was a poll of likely voters.

ah. well, then that 25% probably reflects the wingnut fringe, as it does nationally.

FlashHarry: BKITU: FlashHarry: a quarter of GOP voters?

No, TFA says it was conducted by a GOP group, but it was a poll of likely voters.

ah. well, then that 25% probably reflects the wingnut fringe, as it does nationally.

My point entirely. =)

+1 for the outstanding headline.

An even bigger +1 for 70% of the population of Iowa, from what I've seen and assumed while driving through I honestly never even imagined this happening there.

Myownepitaph: An even bigger +1 for 70% of the population of Iowa, from what I've seen and assumed while driving through I honestly never even imagined this happening there.

We're farmers, but we're money-hungry, kinky farmers. The Jerk-off wingnuts all live in Steve King's district, so avoid there if possible.

Holy shiat. Time to make a scary internet ad, GOP!

Hill said Republicans are better off stressing fiscal management issues because they represent common ground with most voters, according to the survey.

"These are the issues on which we can sort of demonstrate the greatest consensus between the Republican base ... and the critical middle group," Hill told reporters. "Certainly a Republican candidate running on this kind of agenda looks like it would be a ticket for winning."

I don't get it. WHAT kind of agenda?? What agenda are they talking about?? "Stressing fiscal management" isn't an agenda - it's a marketing strategy. Is the idea that anyone with a Republican Party membership and the right messaging can win a campaign??

Are you truly that incapable of introspection?

"These are the issues on which we can sort of demonstrate the greatest consensus between the Republican base ... and the critical middle group,"

Except that the GOP's idea of "middle group" is somewhere between Fred Phelps and Cobra Commander

I think when Fark runs into a dry patch of shiatty headlines--and i kid you not, i almost didn't come back at one point, addicted though i am--they hire freelance writers to punch it up a bit.

Subby, +1.

or in other words, STFU and GBTW

I hate Chevy: Except that the GOP's idea of "middle group" is somewhere between Fred Phelps and Cobra Commander

I LOLed, but it sounds about right.

So this is the 10% of voters in Iowa that haven't figured out that the GOP is dead?

I hate Chevy: "These are the issues on which we can sort of demonstrate the greatest consensus between the Republican base ... and the critical middle group,"

Except that the GOP's idea of "middle group" is somewhere between Fred Phelps and Cobra Commander

I LOL'd

+1

Great Maslow reference subby. +1

I hate Maslow. I encountered him freshman year of college and he still bothers me in grad school. DAMN YOU MASLOW!!!

coco ebert: Great Maslow reference subby. +1

I was actually surprised when I read the headline. I had to read it twice just to make sure I hadn't misread it.

So, what percentage of people here will understand the Maslow reference, what percentage will take the time to Google it, and what piece of the pie will completely miss the point altogether?

Is there anything from this article that rules out the possibility that some of these likely voters wanting to stress those issues might be on the pro-choice/pro-gay rights side of the coin?

Random Reality Check: coco ebert: Great Maslow reference subby. +1

I was actually surprised when I read the headline. I had to read it twice just to make sure I hadn't misread it.

So, what percentage of people here will understand the Maslow reference, what percentage will take the time to Google it, and what piece of the pie will completely miss the point altogether?

Hasn't that been Psych 101 for the last 30 years or more?

CTurnerJoy: Hasn't that been Psych 101 for the last 30 years or more?

OMG, it's been 31 years.
Thanks for reminding me.

The GOP can always take the high road on economic issues!
No they can't the last eight years of rape and pilliage of the treasury rules that out. Gosh i wonder how they lost and why they are in such shambles?

0Icky0: CTurnerJoy: Hasn't that been Psych 101 for the last 30 years or more?

OMG, it's been 31 years.
Thanks for reminding me.

Not sure I follow you.

CTurnerJoy: Random Reality Check: coco ebert: Great Maslow reference subby. +1

I was actually surprised when I read the headline. I had to read it twice just to make sure I hadn't misread it.

So, what percentage of people here will understand the Maslow reference, what percentage will take the time to Google it, and what piece of the pie will completely miss the point altogether?

Hasn't that been Psych 101 for the last 30 years or more?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but considering that there has been education available in this country for well over a century we still have an extraordinarily high percentage of people who believe evolution is the work of the devil - and you expect these people to have taken and understood Psych 101?

Something something something horse something something something water something something something make drink.

And after thinking about this I think I'll go make myself a stiff drink.

Random Reality Check: CTurnerJoy: Random Reality Check: coco ebert: Great Maslow reference subby. +1

I was actually surprised when I read the headline. I had to read it twice just to make sure I hadn't misread it.

So, what percentage of people here will understand the Maslow reference, what percentage will take the time to Google it, and what piece of the pie will completely miss the point altogether?

Hasn't that been Psych 101 for the last 30 years or more?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but considering that there has been education available in this country for well over a century we still have an extraordinarily high percentage of people who believe evolution is the work of the devil - and you expect these people to have taken and understood Psych 101?

Something something something horse something something something water something something something make drink.

And after thinking about this I think I'll go make myself a stiff drink.

Point taken. I guess I tend to think that many Farkers are somewhat above average in their level of education.

Then again, why? Why the hell would I think that? Especially in the politics tab.

Seriously, for every Winterwhile there's a Sum Dum Gai. Even the people that seem bent on taking the most contrary of views on any given topic have a certain level of knowledge to try and support their argument. Though I have to be honest, I think many of our contrarians are either lawyers or law students that use Fark as a place to hone their debating skills.

Think I'm giving the general population here too much credit?

Funny that the Republicans want to talk about 'social' issues, when I consider all of their stances to be anti-social.

the shock doctrine.

poorcku: the shock doctrine.

What about it?

Random Reality Check: coco ebert: Great Maslow reference subby. +1

I was actually surprised when I read the headline. I had to read it twice just to make sure I hadn't misread it.

So, what percentage of people here will understand the Maslow reference, what percentage will take the time to Google it, and what piece of the pie will completely miss the point altogether?

I would have been in the 2nd/3rd group before this semester. Then I took an introductory speech course, and we studied this for motivational speaking. Luckily, I remembered it for the test.

Random Reality Check: So, what percentage of people here will understand the Maslow reference, what percentage will take the time to Google it, and what piece of the pie will completely miss the point altogether?

I don't have time to think about google. I have to put food on the table. mmmmmm... pie...

CTurnerJoy: What about it?

1. induce financial crisis (fannie, freddie, hud etc.)
2. legalize gay marriage, when everybody cares only about their 40k:)
3. profit.


I am going to be blasted for this.:))

There is no GOP without the social wedges to appease the busy-bodies.

poorcku: CTurnerJoy: What about it?

1. induce financial crisis (fannie, freddie, hud etc.)
2. legalize gay marriage, when everybody cares only about their 40k:)
3. profit.

I am going to be blasted for this.:))

I see what you did there.

I hadn't actually considered the Shock Doctrine in the light of social issues. Interesting perspective.

Of course, if I am reading your first point right I think the premise is flawed. But I'm not looking for an argument rehashing the actual causes of the financial crisis.

I think your chances of getting blasted are slim. This is going to be a sleeper thread. Looks like all the action is over on the main page fighting the daily religious war.

CTurnerJoy: Point taken. I guess I tend to think that many Farkers are somewhat above average in their level of education.

A while back one of our Farkettes (I can't remember who) described Fark as the Algonquin Round Table of the Internet - and I'm not too sure that isn't a somewhat fair assessment.

CTurnerJoy: Then again, why? Why the hell would I think that? Especially in the politics tab.

Farkers come in all shapes and sizes, with every political leaning I can think of being represented. By weight, that would include 20 something percent of the 20 something percenters.

And to be quite honest with you, I love having them here. They provide endless entertainment, the ability to practice one's critical thinking and rebuttal skills as well as the direct pipeline to today's (and yesterday's) talking points without the necessity of having to listen to it firsthand on the radio or Fox News.

CTurnerJoy: Seriously, for every Winterwhile there's a Sum Dum Gai. Even the people that seem bent on taking the most contrary of views on any given topic have a certain level of knowledge to try and support their argument.

That's because if you hang around here long enough, even a dolt like me picks up a few things. Don't kid yourself, you either learn how to play with the big dogs very quickly or you have the view of the leader's ass. Still, we do have a few that just seem to like to get their asses handed to them regularly. It's nice to see that masochism hasn't completely gone out of style, isn't it?

CTurnerJoy: Though I have to be honest, I think many of our contrarians are either lawyers or law students that use Fark as a place to hone their debating skills.

That and there are a few that need to get their requisite hours of debating in so as to be able to meet their quotas to pass their GED law degrees.

CTurnerJoy: Think I'm giving the general population here too much credit?

No, I think it is what it is and that is what makes this place so damn addicting.

I'm a radical behaviorist, so I'm getting a lot of positive reinforcement out of these replies

hershy799: I would have been in the 2nd/3rd group before this semester. Then I took an introductory speech course, and we studied this for motivational speaking. Luckily, I remembered it for the test.

See? Your college education is already beginning to pay off!

Eddie Barzoom: I don't have time to think about google. I have to put food on the table. mmmmmm... pie...

Isn't the pie a lie?
I can never remember.

As an aside, it's my son's birthday today. My wife is making him a pineapple upsidedown cake from scratch. It just doesn't get any better than that.

Eunuch Provocateur: I'm a radical behaviorist, so I'm getting a lot of positive reinforcement out of these replies

Major point for that one.
Skinner would be proud...
...if he believed in it.

Milos Hattrick

Turn that pyramid upside down and you have a pretty clear picture of the modern GOP.

I enjoyed the headline.


That being said, the hierarchy of needs is antiquated thinking. It is still taught, but more as a reference point in the development of the field.

Eunuch Provocateur: I'm a radical behaviorist, so I'm getting a lot of positive reinforcement out of these replies

+1

Random Reality Check: As an aside, it's my son's birthday today. My wife is making him a pineapple upsidedown cake from scratch. It just doesn't get any better than that.


Without frosting, it's not a cake, it's bread. Discuss.

poorcku: CTurnerJoy: What about it?

1. induce financial crisis (fannie, freddie, hud etc.)
2. legalize gay marriage, when everybody cares only about their 40k:)
3. profit.


I am going to be blasted for this.:))

You're going to be blasted with a THIS!

Recent history shows that some of the biggest encroachment of government into social issues (or changing its stance, for that matter) has taken place during times of crisis.

The tumultuous years between the two world wars and Vietnam brought us everything from gun control to alcohol/drug prohibition and greatly expanded federal authority.
All easy to accomplish when people cared more about eating and breathing than how many terms a president could serve.

In an economic crisis where people are busy buying ammunition and canned goods, issues like gay marriage can slide under the radar. So while I doubt Democrats instigated a crisis, they sure have taken advantage of the convenient timing.

Meanwhile Republicans are in a huff about family values while the average person is worried about keeping their job and home... it does make them sound out of touch.

Random Reality Check: CTurnerJoy: Point taken. I guess I tend to think that many Farkers are somewhat above average in their level of education.

A while back one of our Farkettes (I can't remember who) described Fark as the Algonquin Round Table of the Internet - and I'm not too sure that isn't a somewhat fair assessment.

The Vicious Circle minus the fame and notoriety, sure. I can see that. There are some truly witty people here. And Hubie needs to write a damn book already.

CTurnerJoy: Seriously, for every Winterwhile there's a Sum Dum Gai. Even the people that seem bent on taking the most contrary of views on any given topic have a certain level of knowledge to try and support their argument.

That's because if you hang around here long enough, even a dolt like me picks up a few things. Don't kid yourself, you either learn how to play with the big dogs very quickly or you have the view of the leader's ass. Still, we do have a few that just seem to like to get their asses handed to them regularly. It's nice to see that masochism hasn't completely gone out of style, isn't it?

I am endlessly fascinated by the ones that do come around for their regular beating. I've been trying to figure that one out for years. To get repeatedly destroyed seems so unnatural. But they keep coming back for more. If it isn't some form of mental masochism then I can only assign it to an out-sized ego that won't allow them to realize just how badly they've been brutalized.

CTurnerJoy: Though I have to be honest, I think many of our contrarians are either lawyers or law students that use Fark as a place to hone their debating skills.

That and there are a few that need to get their requisite hours of debating in so as to be able to meet their quotas to pass their GED law degrees.

Ha! Speaking of someone that just doesn't know when to quit.

CTurnerJoy: Think I'm giving the general population here too much credit?

No, I think it is what it is and that is what makes this place so damn addicting.

I'm not even going to admit the number of hours I spend reading Fark. I'm an infrequent poster, but I spend way, way too much time hanging out here.

Have a great time with your boy today.

send more Chaiman Obama coolaid out there. I am sure they have not had enough...

winterwhile: send more Chaiman Obama coolaid out there. I am sure they have not had enough...

Were your ears burning?

way south: Recent history shows that some of the biggest encroachment of government into social issues (or changing its stance, for that matter) has taken place during times of crisis.

Define crisis?

The Cuban Missile crisis or 9/11.
Which one was really worse?

way south: The tumultuous years between the two world wars and Vietnam brought us everything from gun control to alcohol/drug prohibition and greatly expanded federal authority.

I had forgotten about all those other times, like between WWI and WWII when we had no crises to speak of. Or perhaps that time Pre-WWI when things were harmonious and nary an infraction of our rights were seen.

Did you miss those parts of history?

way south: All easy to accomplish when people cared more about eating and breathing than how many terms a president could serve.

Alternately, these things are easy to accomplish when people choose to remain willfully ignorant or feel that the encroachment of their rights really isn't too much of an imposition as long as they are safe from - pick your bogeyman of the day.

There was a time in our history when people actually took action then there were wrongs, segregation, workers rights, child labor laws, and slavery, to name a few. Today we are treated to tea.

way south: In an economic crisis where people are busy buying ammunition and canned goods, issues like gay marriage can slide under the radar. So while I doubt Democrats instigated a crisis, they sure have taken advantage of the convenient timing.

"In an economic crisis where people are busy buying ammunition and canned goods" the lunatics are running the asylum - strangely those are the people you seem to align yourself with.

As to Gay Marriage, I wasn't aware that equal rights should ever need to "slide under the radar." Maybe we should have slid interracial marriage under the radar when McCarthyism was in vogue.

way south: Meanwhile Republicans are in a huff about family values while the average person is worried about keeping their job and home... it does make them sound out of touch.

Sound out of touch?
Only to the deaf.

I live in Iowa, so I'm getting a kick...well, sort of. I wish that the 25% who answered that social issues were more important would just go away.

Gay marriage and abortion are things you should be giving a shiat about when you have nothing better to do. I actually never thought I'd be on this bandwagon because I thought that people were blowing it out of proportion, but if we don't come up with an answer to global warming, no matter the cause, I'm not sure that we're going to be so worried about morality in the future.

As an aside, if you want to hear real Republican whargarrbl, I invite you to come to Nebraska (where I work), where I am actually a little surprised that black people get to drink from the same water fountains (not including UNL football players, who get to do anything).

JoJoTheIdiotMonkeyBoy: We're farmers, but we're money-hungry, kinky farmers. The Jerk-off wingnuts all live in Steve King's district, so avoid there if possible.

I live in King's district. It angers me that he keeps getting re-elected, but at least he's entertaining. Possibly the worst Congressman in the House, but he's my worst Congressman.