nuuuu why would you raise taxes on terrible beer

/moving to Milwaukee in a few months
//still plan on drinking the terrible beer

SO he's not running for reelection I guess....

I see a revolt in WI's future.

farkmylife: nuuuu why would you raise taxes on terrible beer

You do realize that there are more breweries than just Miller, Leinenkugels, and Pabst in the state, right?

They tried that here and we protested it like a pay raise for teachers.

Burn_The_Plows: farkmylife: nuuuu why would you raise taxes on terrible beer

You do realize that there are more breweries than just Miller, Leinenkugels, and Pabst in the state, right?

Yeah, like Old Milwaukee, Milwaukee's Best, and OE 800!

Or a more comprehensive (although not complete) list can be found here: Wikipedia (new window)

Burn_The_Plows: Leinenkugels

There's nothing wrong with Leinie's. OK, except for all of that orange & berry flavored crap. The Northwoods, Big Butt, Red & Creamy Dark are pretty good though.

Burn_The_Plows: farkmylife: nuuuu why would you raise taxes on terrible beer

You do realize that there are more breweries than just Miller, Leinenkugels, and Pabst in the state, right?

They have Miller (Mickey's, Icehouse, Red Dog), Leinenkugels, Pabst, Old Milwaukee, The Beast, and Olde English...do I have to go on? Wisconsin wins the most terrible breweries per square mile in the U.S. award hands down.

farkmylife: They have Miller (Mickey's, Icehouse, Red Dog), Leinenkugels, Pabst, Old Milwaukee, The Beast, and Olde English...do I have to go on? Wisconsin wins the most terrible breweries per square mile in the U.S. award hands down.

It's a conspiracy to make the rest of us value our good breweries.

The Tavern League will have none of this.

farkmylife: Wisconsin wins the most terrible breweries per square mile in the U.S. award hands down.

And most bars per square miles!

I can think of 10 within a mile of where I live.

BobtheFascist: Burn_The_Plows: Leinenkugels

There's nothing wrong with Leinie's. OK, except for all of that orange & berry flavored crap. The Northwoods, Big Butt, Red & Creamy Dark are pretty good though.

I actually quite like their berry weiss, but I agree that Leinie's can't hold a candle to most of the smaller breweries up there.

/Sprecher ftw1

jonasborg: The Tavern League will have none of this.

THIS.

They are the single most powerful lobbying group in the state capitol.

Skail: I actually quite like their berry weiss, but I agree that Leinie's can't hold a candle to most of the smaller breweries up there.

/Sprecher ftw1

The berryweiss is OK in small doses. No more than 2.

I'd kill for a Sprecher rootbeer or creme soda right now.

Jim Doyle doesn't want to piss off the Tavern League while he decides to run again in 2010. This will go nowhere.

jonasborg: The Tavern League will have none of this.

farkmylife: Wisconsin wins the most terrible breweries per square mile in the U.S. award hands down.

And most bars per square miles!

I can think of 10 within a mile of where I live.

Last I checked, nine of the top ten cities in the country for bars per capita were in Wisconsin. They go for quantity, not quality, too, as many here have noted. Though I was partial to New Glarus' Spotted Cow and Uff Da Bock.

DMMidwest: Jim Doyle doesn't want to piss off the Tavern League while he decides to run again in 2010. This will go nowhere.

Especially since his approval rating right now is the lowest it has been since 2003; 45%. In TFA, it says he doesn't support it.

/Still ready for a new guy
//Green was a horrible candidate

Lundah: jonasborg: The Tavern League will have none of this.

THIS.

They are the single most powerful lobbying group in the state capitol.

Probably why you can still light up there while sitting at a bar.

Imagine...smoking in a bar.

Hate Doyle and I'm a Dem. You are right Green was piss poor. If a rupublican ran that didn't go all anti abortion, anti science bat shiat crazy I would vote for him here. But since the one's running now want to go in that direction I really have no choice but to not vote.

I'm living in Milwaukee now, and I just did a quick tally- in a two block radius of my apartment there are nine bars. And I'm not even on Water St.

Also, Lakefront Brewery has some decent selections. Their Riverwest Stein is one of my favorites.

Yeah, because binge drinking is going to stop because of 2 cents per bottle ($0.48 per case).

"OH NO! NATTY LITE IS NOW $10.48 A CASE! I BETTER ONLY BUY A 6 PACK!"

He had sex with Barney FranK?

/eewwwww

Crow The Robot: .../Still ready for a new guy
//Green was a horrible candidate

I can't name any prominent Republicans in state politics who would be sane, thoughtful governors in the mold of Crist, Schwarzenegger, or that one guy from Utah.

Doyle ain't perfect, but I'll probably vote for him since the alternative would most likely be a wingnutty ideologue talk radio Republican (Walker, Neumann, any of the other Rs who've run for governor in the last decade all fall into that category.)

/...and Thompson's the one who bloated state government in the first place... he can stay retired.

ooop..lol..wrong thread.

From my cold, dead hands!

"Wisconsin has a drinking problem of national renown that is killing people and ruining lives, and government in Wisconsin has been an enabler," Berceau said at a Capitol news conference

... and instead of banning this evil, we want to make sure we collect our share of the take on those deaths and ruined lives.

/It's not the money, it's the children
//No, it's the money

jjorsett: "Wisconsin has a drinking problem of national renown that is killing people and ruining lives, and government in Wisconsin has been an enabler," Berceau said at a Capitol news conference

... and instead of banning this evil, we want to make sure we collect our share of the take on those deaths and ruined lives.

/It's not the money, it's the children
//No, it's the money

Yea, hey, let's ban alcohol. That'll solve all of our problems.

Fall in Light: I'm living in Milwaukee now, and I just did a quick tally- in a two block radius of my apartment there are nine bars. And I'm not even on Water St.

Also, Lakefront Brewery has some decent selections. Their Riverwest Stein is one of my favorites.

Yeah, they're okay. Only partook once. And if there's only nine bars, you must be in the sticks, up towards Saukville or something. ;)

phaseolus: I can't name any prominent Republicans in state politics who would be sane, thoughtful governors in the mold of Crist, Schwarzenegger, or that one guy from Utah.

Doyle ain't perfect, but I'll probably vote for him since the alternative would most likely be a wingnutty ideologue talk radio Republican (Walker, Neumann, any of the other Rs who've run for governor in the last decade all fall into that category.)

/...and Thompson's the one who bloated state government in the first place... he can stay retired.

Which sucks, all the Wisconsin Republican party wants to do is nominate people on the far right. Over on some forums, a few people shat bricks when I suggested that if the Republicans put someone more towards the center and didn't touch a few issues (stem cells, abortion, etc.), they'd win hands down. What they were concerned about was the Republican Party going towards the middle; fscking facepalm. After Doyle vetoed CCW and wanted DUI roadblocks, he lost my vote. I won't vote for an R if they're another far right candidate; by all means, I never quite liked how Thompson became a parrot for that one RFID chip company. If anything I'll write in someone or vote for a Libertarian if they put up a good candidate.

/My former Con Law Prof would have been perfect imho

When I was in Duluth, it seemed a lot of people crossed the bridge into Superior to buy alcohol there due to lower taxes.
I wonder if the tax raise will offset the money lost due to everyone around no longer coming in to load up on booze.

Gig103: Yeah, because binge drinking is going to stop because of 2 cents per bottle ($0.48 per case).

"OH NO! NATTY LITE IS NOW $10.48 A CASE! I BETTER ONLY BUY A 6 PACK!"

THIS

Non-story. Doyle, our governor, said it wouldn't happen. I think it would only be fair to have all sin-taxes at a similar level but this is Wisconsin.

eagles95: Hate Doyle and I'm a Dem. You are right Green was piss poor. If a rupublican ran that didn't go all anti abortion, anti science bat shiat crazy I would vote for him here. But since the one's running now want to go in that direction I really have no choice but to not vote.

I don't like Doyle either but damned if I will vote for Walker.

TheJoeY: jjorsett: "Wisconsin has a drinking problem of national renown that is killing people and ruining lives, and government in Wisconsin has been an enabler," Berceau said at a Capitol news conference

... and instead of banning this evil, we want to make sure we collect our share of the take on those deaths and ruined lives.

/It's not the money, it's the children
//No, it's the money

Yea, hey, let's ban alcohol. That'll solve all of our problems.

He has a point. They are doing it with tobacco, why not alcohol? It is a cynical snarky point but I agree.

In every single picture of Scott Walker, he looks like a mildly retarded mouth-breather. I cannot believe Milwaukee County continues to elect this guy. Can't wait for 2010 so this dopey fark can challenge the current dopey fark for governor. The TV ads for both of them are going to make me want to gouge out my eyeballs.

Flying Lasagna Monster: In every single picture of Scott Walker, he looks like is a mildly retarded mouth-breather. I cannot believe Milwaukee County continues to elect this guy. Can't wait for 2010 so this dopey fark can challenge the current dopey fark for governor. The TV ads for both of them are going to make me want to gouge out my eyeballs.

poor beer drinkers

I'm drinking New Glarus ale right now, so [etc]

2 cents a bottle will change nothing. They need to go after the drunk drivers. The release and repeat rates here are insane.

Tourney3p0: When I was in Duluth, it seemed a lot of people crossed the bridge into Superior to buy alcohol there due to lower taxes.
I wonder if the tax raise will offset the money lost due to everyone around no longer coming in to load up on booze.

Minesota has crazy booze taxes, so no. Wisconsin (and Iowa) still cheaper.

Sneakytoes: I'm drinking New Glarus ale right now, so [etc]

2 cents a bottle will change nothing. They need to go after the drunk drivers. The release and repeat rates here are insane.

It isn't about changing anything. It is about raising taxes on bad behavior. You know, the taxation without representation without people getting upset. It will make Wisconsinites upset though. I guess this guy doesn't get it. Cigarette taxes may be exactly like alcohol taxes but alcoholics far outnumber smokers.

Sabyen91: Non-story. Doyle, our governor, said it wouldn't happen. I think it would only be fair to have all sin-taxes at a similar level but this is Wisconsin.

Precisely. Raise the beer tax to the same as the cigarette tax. Heck, go for a junk food tax at that level too.

/too many people are willing to raise one tax or ban one thing over another

Sneakytoes: I'm drinking New Glarus ale right now, so [etc]

2 cents a bottle will change nothing. They need to go after the drunk drivers. The release and repeat rates here are insane.

Yeah, but they can do that with the current laws. MADD acts like you have to ban drinking whatsoever.

inglixthemad: Sabyen91: Non-story. Doyle, our governor, said it wouldn't happen. I think it would only be fair to have all sin-taxes at a similar level but this is Wisconsin.

Precisely. Raise the beer tax to the same as the cigarette tax. Heck, go for a junk food tax at that level too.

/too many people are willing to raise one tax or ban one thing over another

Sneakytoes: I'm drinking New Glarus ale right now, so [etc]

2 cents a bottle will change nothing. They need to go after the drunk drivers. The release and repeat rates here are insane.

Yeah, but they can do that with the current laws. MADD acts like you have to ban drinking whatsoever.

And a bacon tax...

Sabyen91: damned if I will vote for Walker.

I weep for anyone who depends on any state-provided services if he actually manages to get elected. The Scott Walker plan of government leadership:

1. Hire buddies to run departments
2. Strip departments to the bone in the name of "fiscal conservatism", while privatizing everything in sight to companies owned/run by buddies
3. Give buddies 60% raise
4. Profit!

Lundah: Sabyen91: damned if I will vote for Walker.

I weep for anyone who depends on any state-provided services if he actually manages to get elected. The Scott Walker plan of government leadership:

1. Hire buddies to run departments
2. Strip departments to the bone in the name of "fiscal conservatism", while privatizing everything in sight to companies owned/run by buddies
3. Give buddies 60% raise
4. Profit!

BadgerCare would become BadgerScare.

oh, a Milwaukee thread! *sniff* i miss home. We had to move to TX bcuz hubby is in the service. We'll be home in June! Shout out to the southside, Sven's cafe, Collector's Edge, George Webb (i havent had a decent burger after a night of drinking since i left.) and the AB clocktower.

back to topic: yeah you wanna see a drunken riot? raise taxes on beer... in Milwaukee!! Germans and Puerto Ricans, Blacks and Polish, Serbs and Swedes will come together and pig roast the politicians like they're Klements Brats at a tailgate party.

God i love my town!

/what are the two most popular things in Milwaukee? Bars and churches. sometimes on the same block.

spookybee: oh, a Milwaukee thread! *sniff* i miss home. We had to move to TX bcuz hubby is in the service. We'll be home in June! Shout out to the southside, Sven's cafe, Collector's Edge, George Webb (i havent had a decent burger after a night of drinking since i left.) and the AB clocktower.

back to topic: yeah you wanna see a drunken riot? raise taxes on beer... in Milwaukee!! Germans and Puerto Ricans, Blacks and Polish, Serbs and Swedes will come together and pig roast the politicians like they're Klements Brats at a tailgate party.

God i love my town!

/what are the two most popular things in Milwaukee? Bars and churches. sometimes on the same block.

It wouldn't be Kumbayah but it would bring a tear to my eye.

spookybee: Bars and churches. sometimes on the same block.

The fine line between Saturday night and Sunday morning. In Milwaukee, it's also known as the center line of the street.

Sneakytoes: I'm drinking New Glarus ale right now, so [etc]

2 cents a bottle will change nothing. They need to go after the drunk drivers. The release and repeat rates here are insane.

What do you expect when the first OWI is a misdemeanor? It's no worse than a farking speeding ticket, as long as you don't kill anyone. Once a week I have to read "Stoughton man arrested for 9th OWI" or "Jefferson man goes to jail for 3 days after 28 drunk driving convictions." It's sick. And the State Journal gives these asshats a platform to write in and say, "Yeah, I have 9 OWIs, and I'm probably going to get another one next weekend. WTF are you gonna do about it?"

Then again, Wisconsin is the state where the Attorney General gets busted for OWI and actually almost wins reelection.

Lundah: spookybee: Bars and churches. sometimes on the same block.

The fine line between Saturday night and Sunday morning. In Milwaukee, it's also known as the center line of the street.

I grew up in London, WI. We had about 100 people. 3 bars and no churches. We were degenerates.

pmmal: Sneakytoes: I'm drinking New Glarus ale right now, so [etc]

2 cents a bottle will change nothing. They need to go after the drunk drivers. The release and repeat rates here are insane.

What do you expect when the first OWI is a misdemeanor? It's no worse than a farking speeding ticket, as long as you don't kill anyone. Once a week I have to read "Stoughton man arrested for 9th OWI" or "Jefferson man goes to jail for 3 days after 28 drunk driving convictions." It's sick. And the State Journal gives these asshats a platform to write in and say, "Yeah, I have 9 OWIs, and I'm probably going to get another one next weekend. WTF are you gonna do about it?"

Then again, Wisconsin is the state where the Attorney General gets busted for OWI and actually almost wins reelection.

The first one is not a misdemeanor, the second one is.