What an asshole.

Justice should only be convenient.

according to the thread last night, prosecuting torture or war crimes would open the door for legitimate revenge efforts against Obama (assuming a Republican ever gets elected anywhere again they'll go after Barry for all of his war crimes). So we should just shut up or else.

Mordant: according to the thread last night, prosecuting torture or war crimes would open the door for legitimate revenge efforts against Obama (assuming a Republican ever gets elected anywhere again they'll go after Barry for all of his war crimes). So we should just shut up or else.

Glad I missed it. Even reading your synopsis is making my head hurt.

Mordant: according to the thread last night, prosecuting torture or war crimes would open the door for legitimate revenge efforts against Obama (assuming a Republican ever gets elected anywhere again they'll go after Barry for all of his war crimes). So we should just shut up or else.

These torture threads have been some of the most depressing things I've experience on Fark.

DamnYankees: These torture threads have been some of the most depressing things I've experience on Fark.

Yep. For the lack of morality, the terrible logic, the willingness to ignore history AND testimony of SERE officers, and the flattened affects.

It's creepy as fark.

I'd say it is more depressing when you see what other threads get 5 times as many comments.

bulldg4life: I'd say it is more depressing when you see what other threads get 5 times as many comments.

Tampons are very important, you sexist.

They're throwing every turd they can find against the wall to see which one sticks and it's not working. Americans always do the right thing... eventually.

Taking this valuable tool of interrogation off the books is only going to make the country even LESS safe from our enemies.

Sisyphus!

Mentat: They're throwing every turd they can find against the wall to see which one sticks and it's not working. Americans always do the right thing... eventually.

We do have a fairly decent track record in that regard, but it would be nice if we got this one right a bit faster.

I don't think we'll be delivering Dick Cheney to the Hauge or anything...though I enjoy the image that conjures up. I am picturing him being strapped to that moving/straight-jacket/dolly thing from Silence of the Lambs. Pushed by Pelosi, right up to the front door. Sweet.

Lucidz: Taking this valuable tool of interrogation off the books is only going to make the country even LESS safe from our enemies.

You're so stupid, I'm not even sure how to respond to you. Yeah, I know- waterboarding, pshaw. Just fraternity hazing, right? Nothing you and the guys on the Chess team (go class of 2011, woo!) haven't done in your mom's basement, amiright?

Here's the facts. They didn't get any Goddamn useful information out of these "freedom tickle" sessions; we find out now they were specifically used to try and gin up evidence for a war with Iraq they were bound and determined to fight, no matter what; they had to have a doctor with a trach kit available during every session; they've damaged out national prestige and honor, and divided our country.

I'd tell you that, honestly, if waterboarding or another "hazing" technique worked to get information out, I don't have a problem using it as long as the value far outweighs the cost. In this regard, nothing they did was justifiable. Period.

Besides which, there are better ways than this. We don't need to farking torture people. Hell, 9/11 wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the supreme hubris of the Bush administration, and incompetence and infighting in the Federal government. They had all the signs, but they couldn't/wouldn't share the information to put the dots together, and the threat briefings that Bush got were ignored on the premise of "Pfft, yeah right, that sort of stuff doesn't happen in the US."

We're the goddamn United States of America. We are the greatest farking country on the face of the Earth. And you sniveling little pantywaists whining and crying like a little biatch with a skinned knee because you can't knock around a few brown people to make you feel safer at night don't deserve to be Americans. As I've said in the past, those farking towelheaded Islamofascists don't scare me enough to destroy every principle our country was founded on. So grow a pair or GTFO.

ragekage: you're so stupid, I'm not even sure how to respond to you

He's a troll. So bass your responses off of that.

Obdicut: He's a troll. So bass your responses off of that.

He's only fishing for responses?

"Dumbass: he says we shouldn't prosecute those responsible because it would be a hassle to do the investigations"

We should legalize pot. Why? Criminalizing it is a waste of resources.

bulldg4life: He's only fishing for responses?

Maybe he's a stand-up guy. I could be wrong; maybe he's a deep one.

Lucidz: Taking this valuable tool of interrogation off the books is only going to make the country even LESS safe from our enemies.

So should we apply these techniques to everyone who is a danger to our society?

Obdicut: ragekage: you're so stupid, I'm not even sure how to respond to you

He's a troll. So bass your responses off of that.

One of the few I actually have on ignore. Unless people reply to him, I remain blissfully unaware of his idiotic comments.

bulldg4life: Obdicut: He's a troll. So bass your responses off of that.

He's only fishing for responses?

What a Crappy response.

MANZULLO: Because then you are going to have to go back and you're going to have to go through every single interrogation and every single memo and the whole purpose of this is to relive again the fact that somebody made the to make certain that no American ever again makes such a decision to allow this.

FTFY, Representative.



vartian: I am picturing him being strapped to that moving/straight-jacket/dolly thing from Silence of the Lambs. Pushed by Pelosi, right up to the front door.

Nah. Just pack the dolly in a cardboard box, add some packing peanuts, and ship it FedEx.

Obdicut: bulldg4life: He's only fishing for responses?

Maybe he's a stand-up guy. I could be wrong; maybe he's a deep one.

Deep one?

MANZULLO: Because then you are going to have to go back and you're going to have to go through every single interrogation and every single memo and the whole purpose of this is to relive again the fact that somebody made the decision to allow this.

And then the Republicans wonder why they're getting their asses kicked in the polls.

Arlen Specter jumping ship is the biggest sign that the rats are leaving before the damn ship finally goes under. And I don't see any indications at all that ANY of the Republican 'leadership' really understands just how much trouble they're in right now.

Weaver95: Arlen Specter jumping ship is the biggest sign that the rats are leaving before the damn ship finally goes under. And I don't see any indications at all that ANY of the Republican 'leadership' really understands just how much trouble they're in right now.

I think the leadership sees it, it's the rank and file who are demanding that the captain, crew and passengers go down with the ship.

Obdicut: bulldg4life: I'd say it is more depressing when you see what other threads get 5 times as many comments.

Tampons are very important, you sexist.

Wait.... we're torturing tampons?

I'm not sure how I feel about that. Kind of "not-so-fresh".

Mentat: I think the leadership sees it, it's the rank and file who are demanding that the captain, crew and passengers go down with the ship.

I wish I could say that I feel sorry for them....but I don't. If they were really leaders, they'd cut the fundies loose, let gays marry (and use it as an excuse to completely rewrite the divorce laws), and start finding ways to reduce spending.

Mentat: I think the leadership sees it, it's the rank and file who are demanding that the captain, crew and passengers go down with the ship.

Yep.

It's kind of like some anime shiat-- they're convinced that all they need to do is focus their conservatism, and they'll be able to fire a conservo-beam at the US, de-gayifying everything and making everyone hate the government.

I mean, hell, I've heard Limbaugh say Olympia Snowe should be kicked out because she only votes with the republicans 62 percent of the time.

I wonder if he knows 62 is more than 50?

bulldg4life: I'd say it is more depressing when you see what other threads get 5 times as many comments.

If it'll make you feel better, we can turn this into a circumcision thread. Those get lots of comments.

MasterThief: If it'll make you feel better, we can turn this into a circumcision thread. Those get lots of comments.

Hey, cut it out!

Obdicut: Mentat: I think the leadership sees it, it's the rank and file who are demanding that the captain, crew and passengers go down with the ship.

Yep.

It's kind of like some anime shiat-- they're convinced that all they need to do is focus their conservatism, and they'll be able to fire a conservo-beam at the US, de-gayifying everything and making everyone hate the government.

I mean, hell, I've heard Limbaugh say Olympia Snowe should be kicked out because she only votes with the republicans 62 percent of the time.

I wonder if he knows 62 is more than 50?

it's an interesting situation. the leadership understands the practical realities of day to day survival inside the D.C. beltway....but they let their party become the plaything of fundies and fanatics who don't care about anything OTHER than their singular collection of wedge issues. The fundies aren't interested in the realities or the nitty-gritty details of how things work in D.C. - they're on a quest to rid the world of EVIL, and if it means the destruction of the Republican party then so be it.

The Republicans made a deal with the devil. It's too late to back out now, they have to dance to the tune the devil plays.

Good thing republicans are the minority party and have no power then...

Weaver95: it's an interesting situation. the leadership understands the practical realities of day to day survival inside the D.C. beltway....but they let their party become the plaything of fundies and fanatics who don't care about anything OTHER than their singular collection of wedge issues. The fundies aren't interested in the realities or the nitty-gritty details of how things work in D.C. - they're on a quest to rid the world of EVIL, and if it means the destruction of the Republican party then so be it.

It's the logical conclusion of the Southern Strategy. They let the racist Southern whites into the Party in the 60's, stoked the evangelicals into a furor in the 80's and now that group has metastasized until it's taken over the entire Party. They've become the Deadpool Party, only far less cool.

GOP 90': No on is above the law, we must punish people even the president if ANY crime has been committed no matter how unimportant.

GOP 00's: Prosecuting ANYONE in a presidential administration should not be done.

If they can investigate steroids in baseball they can check out that whole torture thing.

Mentat: It's the logical conclusion of the Southern Strategy. They let the racist Southern whites into the Party in the 60's, stoked the evangelicals into a furor in the 80's and now that group has metastasized until it's taken over the entire Party. They've become the Deadpool Party, only far less cool.

Once Franken takes his seat and the Democrats have complete control of the Senate - I wonder what the Republican's will do? well, other than whine and complain. Fear mongering will only get you so far and obviously most of the country isn't buying the dire warnings of impending doom that the Republican leadership is trying to sell us.

I just hope the fanatics don't decide to go do something foolish.

Corvus: GOP 90': No on is above the law, we must punish people even the president if ANY crime has been committed no matter how unimportant.

GOP 00's: Prosecuting ANYONE in a presidential administration should not be done.

Oh wait, I forgot:

GOP NOW: While we think no investigation should happen for the Bush admin Pelosi should be FULLY investigated for what she knew!

Weaver95: it's an interesting situation. the leadership understands the practical realities of day to day survival inside the D.C. beltway.

Well, that doesn't seem to actually mean anything. Could you restate it?

Obdicut: Weaver95: it's an interesting situation. the leadership understands the practical realities of day to day survival inside the D.C. beltway.

Well, that doesn't seem to actually mean anything. Could you restate it?

nope.

We got an indictment for a 9th degree perjury (lying about getting a nookie).

I'm so glad that we can't get one for suspending civil rights and outright torture.

We have been hearing this crap for 8 years. But, but, but when we would have to try somebody other then the ones we told to do the torturing it's boring.

People are serving jail time for this, and they don't want to look further up the chain?

I am not much for theology but when Jesus said "that you can get a camel through the head a needle before a rich man will get into heaven". this is what he ment.

Saying that waterboarding is "more torture than not" indicates that he is uncertain whether it is torture. Before advocating the criminal prosecution of someone for authorizing torture, you ought to be certain that the technique involved actually met the legal definition of torture.

Yes this guy is a wimp and a douche. I am originally from this dude's district, Northern IL/ Rockford area. Up there we don't do anything that is hard or difficult. Seriously, Rockford found it so hard to desegregate its schools until it was sued in 1994, because that fifty year old Brown thing was too much of a burden for the town to deal with. And IIRC, Manzullo was the rep. then.

bulldg4life: I'd say it is more depressing when you see what other threads get 5 times as many comments.

Huh? There are at least 14 torture-related threads on the Politics tab right now, and most of them have over 200 comments. We can only discuss the same topic so many times before we've heard everything.

DamnYankees [TotalFark] 2009-04-29 09:45:12 AM
Mordant: according to the thread last night, prosecuting torture or war crimes would open the door for legitimate revenge efforts against Obama (assuming a Republican ever gets elected anywhere again they'll go after Barry for all of his war crimes). So we should just shut up or else.

"These torture threads have been some of the most depressing things I've experience on Fark."

I dunno. Remember back when most people were just beginning to grasp the fact that the war in Iraq wasn't going to be a quick liberation, that there were no WMDs, and that it really was going to be a sandy Vietnam? I remember a lot of "GLASS PARKING LOT" comments. Very sad.

Weaver95: nope.

Okay.

1. A lot of the Republican leadership are, themselves, fundies, so I don't really know what you mean when you contrast the leadership and the fundies.

2. I have no clue what you mean by 'day-to-day survival inside the D.C. beltway'. It's a nice phrase, but I can't discern any meaning in it. Since you're not willing to explain it at all, it seems like it's more of your general "the problem isn't democrat/republican, it's insider/outsider!" which is, well, Catch-22.

3. The loss of power from the GOP does not have anything to do with 'the realities or the nitty-gritty details of how things work in D.C.' (which is more hand-waving phraseology, content-free), it has to do with generational change-- as relatively eloquently said by Meghan McCain), and a real perception by Americans that the policies of the GOP have been tried and found wanting.

Mentat: They're throwing every turd they can find against the wall to see which one sticks and it's not working. Americans always do the right thing... eventually.

It might take a couple of hundred years...

Obdicut: Weaver95: nope.

Okay.

1. A lot of the Republican leadership are, themselves, fundies, so I don't really know what you mean when you contrast the leadership and the fundies.

2. I have no clue what you mean by 'day-to-day survival inside the D.C. beltway'. It's a nice phrase, but I can't discern any meaning in it. Since you're not willing to explain it at all, it seems like it's more of your general "the problem isn't democrat/republican, it's insider/outsider!" which is, well, Catch-22.

3. The loss of power from the GOP does not have anything to do with 'the realities or the nitty-gritty details of how things work in D.C.' (which is more hand-waving phraseology, content-free), it has to do with generational change-- as relatively eloquently said by Meghan McCain), and a real perception by Americans that the policies of the GOP have been tried and found wanting.

quit looking for a fight dude, i'm not into it today.

Lucidz: bulldg4life: Obdicut: He's a troll. So bass your responses off of that.

He's only fishing for responses?

What a Crappy response.

Uh oh, you're in treble now

Will Senator Snowe be the next to jump off the GOP sinking ship?

Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) a fellow moderate, didn't seem suprised. On the national level, she says, "you haven't certainly heard warm encouraging words of how they [Republicans] view moderates. Either you are with us or against us."


and then also this:

"I've always been deeply concerned about the views of the Republican Party nationally in terms of their exclusionary policies and views towards moderate Republicans," said Snowe, who has been approached, she said, by Democrats in the past about switching parties.

Weaver95: Once Franken takes his seat and the Democrats have complete control of the Senate

Damn! I has hoping for something sooner than 2010.