good luck, but my hopes aren't high.

I hope they sent leaflets to the population warning them to BOHICA

Finally

Tatsuma: Finally

We took out your main threat in Iraq, you can relax for a bit.

Tatsuma: Finally

You act like this wasn't inevitable, like the army wasn't holding out for political concessions before moving in with the big guns.

I don't care for those Taliban fellows.

NewportBarGuy: We took out your main threat in Iraq, you can relax for a bit.

Main threat is, and was back in 2002 as well, Iran.

Tatsuma: Main threat is, and was back in 2002 as well, Iran.

Did the fax get muddled, because I distinctly remember you pointing to Iraq as the main threat? We're not going to topple them for you, and we won't let you do it either. Not with 140,000 U.S. targets for the Iranians to lash out at.

NO. NO means NO

Tatsuma: Finally

That

Pakistan, discovering that signing treaties with the Taliban doesn't work, desides to put those billions in U.S. aid to work. Here comes the frontal assault

i'm glad they finally desided something (other than their borders)

We're cool with giving 3rd grade idiots AK47s but I can't buy one?

Bullshiat. Gimme some of those billions so I can buy a grade A gat.

/save your own ass when the zombies come

I desided my house but then the roof fell down.

tallguywithglasseson: I don't care for those Taliban fellows.

Quite right, not our sort at all. If they must be foreign, they could at least be civilized about it.

Good. They have shown that despite thier "beliefs" that they will pretty much do anything at all to meet their agenda. They will blow up your kids, your wife, you, and your dog. Any agreement with them is a joke, and if they DO agree to something, it will be to further their plans. They have no regard for basic human life, or feel regret for the crimes that they have (and will) do against humanity. Best thing to do is man up, and fight them. Otherwise you are just laying down and taking their dick like a biatch. Good luck in your fight. We'll help if you ask. We still have some payback.

We should totally steal their nukes.

Listen, and understand. The Taliban are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They doesn't understand pity, or remorse, or civilization. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are living in their version of 9th Century Islam.

EL_FABREZ: We're cool with giving 3rd grade idiots AK47s but I can't buy one?

I'm pretty sure the bullets can't reach the US from Pakistan. That might be a significant difference.

Argh2: Quite right, not our sort at all. If they must be foreign, they could at least be civilized about it.

Well, their tactics just aren't cricket, are they now.

cfish78: We should totally steal their nuke shawarma.


MMMmmm. Food is so better than war.

As as Obama feels he can negotiate with them, that is what's important.

Swampthing in Korea: As as Obama feels he can negotiate with them, that is what's important.

As long as.....I meant to say.

Tenebreux: Listen, and understand. The Taliban are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They doesn't understand pity, or remorse, or civilization. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are living in their version of 9th Century Islam.

Ninth century Islam wasn't a bad place to be, really. While the Christians were in the middle of a 900 year long dark age, the Muslims were making serious advances in math, science, and even religious interpretation.

Compared to ninth century Islam, the Taliban are cavemen. Along with pretty much everyone else from Afghanistan, really, as well as a sizable chunk of the Pakistani population (including its armed forces). If Pakistan's urban population could be compared to average Americans, the Taliban, its sympathizers, and the Pakistani Army are probably about 10x worse than the cast of Deliverance.

It'd be remarkably rude to publicly send warnings of this sort, but we should perhaps be quietly pointing out something like

Pakistan:
- Please focus on preparing for war on people who are actually trying to take over your country, not the Indians.
- Use the troops that are currently near the Indian border if you have to. The Indian army isn't going to start streaming over the border without the US noticing.
- If you continue to treat India as the main enemy, we have to wonder whether *you* are our enemy.
- If India actually pulls something stupid against you, we are more than capable of punishing them far more than you ever could.


India:
- Please don't elect Modi...
- Please restrain your ministers from threatening Pakistan, as it gives the Pakistani army an excuse to sit on your border and not deal with internal issues.
- If Pakistan's actually stupid enough to start a war with you, we can punish them far more than you could...
- ...and the same goes for if *you* abet the Taliban and friends by destabilizing Pakistan.

El_Dan: Tenebreux: Listen, and understand. The Taliban are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They doesn't understand pity, or remorse, or civilization. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are living in their version of 9th Century Islam.

Ninth century Islam wasn't a bad place to be, really. While the Christians were in the middle of a 900 year long dark age, the Muslims were making serious advances in math, science, and even religious interpretation.

Compared to ninth century Islam, the Taliban are cavemen. Along with pretty much everyone else from Afghanistan, really, as well as a sizable chunk of the Pakistani population (including its armed forces). If Pakistan's urban population could be compared to average Americans, the Taliban, its sympathizers, and the Pakistani Army are probably about 10x worse than the cast of Deliverance.

True. I should have thought about it before shoe-horning a random date into the terminator quote. Oh well. It's a real shame what happened with Islam, although I don't fully agree with the "Islams backslide was a reaction to the Crusades" type theory. I read this (^) a couple of years ago, and one of the prevailing themes was that there was plenty of inter-Muslim warfare in the area before the Crusaders showed up. I read this as well (Can Asians think?(^)) and while its focus was more the difference between western thought being based on the questioning method of Greek philosophy, Pre-socratic included versus the Confucianist method of Elder reverence and emphasis on being taught first then analysis second. I wonder if a similar thing happened with Islam, where a prevailing mindset of "Don't ask questions. Don't apply analysis" is what slowed their scientific primacy.

NewportBarGuy: Tatsuma: Finally

We took out your main threat in Iraq, you can relax for a bit.

You know, I always see people bashing Tats, saying that he is a bigot and saying that he insults non-jews at every chance he gets. I haven't seen anything like that from him ever, even when he was dealing with czar.

And then I see people attacking him in non-Israel related threads, when he hasn't said a damn thing about Israel.

I have zero confidence in the Pakistanis being able to deal with the Taliban.

NEDM: NewportBarGuy: Tatsuma: Finally

We took out your main threat in Iraq, you can relax for a bit.

You know, I always see people bashing Tats, saying that he is a bigot and saying that he insults non-jews at every chance he gets. I haven't seen anything like that from him ever, even when he was dealing with czar.

And then I see people attacking him in non-Israel related threads, when he hasn't said a damn thing about Israel.

Sounds like he managed to really get under some peoples' skin.

Good.

Dr.Zom: I have zero confidence in the Pakistanis being able to deal with the Taliban.

Hopefully they do a bit better than, say, 2007... e.g.

As the fighting rages between the Taliban and the Pakistani military in North Waziristan, the situation in South Waziristan is quiet. Over 40 days ago, the Baitullah Mehsud, the powerful Taliban commander in South Waziristan, captured nearly 300 Pakistani soldiers without a shot being fired. The Pakistani government has been negotiating for their release ever since.

Just one day after the capture, the government released 100 Taliban prisoners "in an effort to pave the way for the release of 210 kidnapped soldiers." The Taliban responded by executing and mutilating three of the soldiers and releasing 31 others.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2007/10/taliban_parade_captu.php

Results like that suggest that the Pakistani command had either an information security problem (at least; there's at least a theoretical risk of moles among the command deliberately parceling out forces to be destroyed in detail), some substantial planning issues, or both.

We got standing armies vs. Militias, surely there is another way to boost employment in these countries. Let's hope the the Pakistani Military doesn't go all Genocidal like the Sri Lanka government has been doing.

NewportBarGuy: Did the fax get muddled, because I distinctly remember you pointing to Iraq as the main threat?

Yeah I was against that from day one and pointed out that Iran was much more of a threat before the invasion nice try.

EL_FABREZ: We're cool with giving 3rd grade idiots AK47s but I can't buy one?

Bullshiat. Gimme some of those billions so I can buy a grade A gat.

/save your own ass when the zombies come

You can have one too if you want to go to Pakistan and fight the Taliban ;-)

Teabaggers of the east.

DarnoKonrad: Teabaggers of the east.

I think I have seen that porno...

DarnoKonrad: Teabaggers of the east.

They do love God, cling to their Qur'ans and love their second amendment rights. lol

The thing that most people don't understand about Pakistan is that there's not much of a functioning middle class, particularly not in these areas. There are wealthy landowners and a very, very large population of poor people who are essentially their serfs. And the Taliban are going to these pious poor and saying, "We are bringing you a pure form of Islam," which is appealing in itself, but more importantly they're saying "You can own your own land. You do not not have to live under the boot of the rich."

So guess what the poor are choosing? It's a mistake to think that this is all about religious extremism. It's about social change. Pakistan is paying the price for not paying attention to their poor. Such is the way of all societies in which social inequality is allowed to fester.

Edsel: The thing that most people don't understand about Pakistan is that there's not much of a functioning middle class, particularly not in these areas. There are wealthy landowners and a very, very large population of poor people who are essentially their serfs. And the Taliban are going to these pious poor and saying, "We are bringing you a pure form of Islam," which is appealing in itself, but more importantly they're saying "You can own your own land. You do not not have to live under the boot of the rich."

So guess what the poor are choosing? It's a mistake to think that this is all about religious extremism. It's about social change. Pakistan is paying the price for not paying attention to their poor. Such is the way of all societies in which social inequality is allowed to fester.

Reminds me a lot of the old saying "I can hire half the population to kill the other half" enter the U.S. backed Military. Ever wonder how these poor countries keep getting funded by those with the never ending capital? This is not just happening in the Middle East. We got countries that can barely afford to feed their population strutting around with high tech military equipment to fight the war on terror/drugs. I don't necessarily disagree with fighting these scourges on society, but I see it as a huge money making racket an impediment to progress, and a huge mis allocation of resources. It is obvious the ones with the capital are playing both sides.

whereisian: I desided my house but then the roof fell down and finished it with stucco instead.

Edsel: The thing that most people don't understand about Pakistan is that there's not much of a functioning middle class, particularly not in these areas. There are wealthy landowners and a very, very large population of poor people who are essentially their serfs.

So, its similar to the U.S. except for the popular religion.

Tatsuma: Finally

So, lets say a large mid-western mega church in oh say Kansas decides it wants to run the government. It has enough people, support, and guns to forcibly intimidate that Kansas state and city government into capitulateing. It then enacts laws that are clearly unconstitutional and religious in nature. The rest of the country either does not care or agrees with them and thinks they should be left alone to govern themselves.

A few years later their militia moves out of Kansas and heads West gaining power and get within 50 miles of threatening Denver.

you are the president what do you do?

Sure it is easy for an armchair general or politician to say squash em, but these are American citizens, they have popular support by at alest 30-60% of the country, and are heavily armed.

That is exactly what Pakistan is faceing, so for you oh fat American pig to say "finally" just shows what an ignorant fark you truly are. For Pakistan this is not an us vs. them situation it is a touchy political, police, and military situation that just might spark a revolution or cause the government to fall.

The government of Pakistan no more wants to shoot these hillbilly Muslim mother farkers, then the US wants to shoot Kansas mouth breathing rednecks.

NEDM: And then I see people attacking him in non-Israel related threads, when he hasn't said a damn thing about Israel.

Don't kid yourself, if Tats asked what the going rate for a blowjob was at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch was, it would still be about Israel.

I read some article (maybe linked from here, I can't recall) by a Pakistani fellow who said that the Taliban grossly overplayed their hand when they declared the Pakistani constitution as anti-Islamic. The thing was written by by lawyers and Muslim scholars who took great pains to ensure everything in it was a-ok as far as the Koran is concerned.

After that stunt, even the hard line officials who pressed to cede the Swat Valley in the first place decided they had enough.

Religion of pieces

Galen_Rasputin: Tatsuma: Finally

So, lets say a large mid-western mega church in oh say Kansas decides it wants to run the government. It has enough people, support, and guns to forcibly intimidate that Kansas state and city government into capitulateing. It then enacts laws that are clearly unconstitutional and religious in nature. The rest of the country either does not care or agrees with them and thinks they should be left alone to govern themselves.

A few years later their militia moves out of Kansas and heads West gaining power and get within 50 miles of threatening Denver.

you are the president what do you do?

Sure it is easy for an armchair general or politician to say squash em, but these are American citizens, they have popular support by at alest 30-60% of the country, and are heavily armed.

That is exactly what Pakistan is faceing, so for you oh fat American pig to say "finally" just shows what an ignorant fark you truly are. For Pakistan this is not an us vs. them situation it is a touchy political, police, and military situation that just might spark a revolution or cause the government to fall.

The government of Pakistan no more wants to shoot these hillbilly Muslim mother farkers, then the US wants to shoot Kansas mouth breathing rednecks.

we fat Americans settled that issue in the 1800's. Answer: you go to war.

JaMorg: Galen_Rasputin: Tatsuma: Finally

So, lets say a large mid-western mega church in oh say Kansas decides it wants to run the government. It has enough people, support, and guns to forcibly intimidate that Kansas state and city government into capitulateing. It then enacts laws that are clearly unconstitutional and religious in nature. The rest of the country either does not care or agrees with them and thinks they should be left alone to govern themselves.

A few years later their militia moves out of Kansas and heads West gaining power and get within 50 miles of threatening Denver.

you are the president what do you do?

Sure it is easy for an armchair general or politician to say squash em, but these are American citizens, they have popular support by at alest 30-60% of the country, and are heavily armed.

That is exactly what Pakistan is faceing, so for you oh fat American pig to say "finally" just shows what an ignorant fark you truly are. For Pakistan this is not an us vs. them situation it is a touchy political, police, and military situation that just might spark a revolution or cause the government to fall.

The government of Pakistan no more wants to shoot these hillbilly Muslim mother farkers, then the US wants to shoot Kansas mouth breathing rednecks.

we fat Americans settled that issue in the 1800's. Answer: you go to war.

Salt Lake City wasn't built in a day.

kabloink: Edsel: The thing that most people don't understand about Pakistan is that there's not much of a functioning middle class, particularly not in these areas. There are wealthy landowners and a very, very large population of poor people who are essentially their serfs.

So, its similar to the U.S. except for the popular religion.

We have the advantage that it's still possible in our country to rise through the classes if you are lucky and work hard. As long as we preserve that concept I doubt we would ever see that kind of popular uprising.

DarnoKonrad: Teabaggers of the east.

Wasn't that a movie starring Vigo Mortensen?

kabloink: Edsel: The thing that most people don't understand about Pakistan is that there's not much of a functioning middle class, particularly not in these areas. There are wealthy landowners and a very, very large population of poor people who are essentially their serfs.

So, its similar to the U.S. except for the popular religion.

Last time I checked, my unmortgaged house is mine.

Fail troll.

/If you even THINK eminent domain, so help me god...

Nothing's going to change until they aluminium-side the Taliban.

Edsel: kabloink: Edsel: The thing that most people don't understand about Pakistan is that there's not much of a functioning middle class, particularly not in these areas. There are wealthy landowners and a very, very large population of poor people who are essentially their serfs.



Also the source of communism believers during the cold war.
Ideology is for the bourgeois, the vast majority of the worlds poor just want to be less poor and are eager for any change.