Good for you one week, bad for you the next.
Tofu is still better than a beef-heavy diet:

Brilliant headline, subby.

Procedural Texture: Tofu is still better than a beef-heavy diet:

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That is a lard heavy diet.

Really, just all things in moderation.

Tofu is evil, and its use in such culinary aberrations as tofurky and other nonsense should be a crime against foodies.

That being said, I always get tofu when I get Chinese or Thai food, mostly because I don't really know how good their meat is, and it avoids the inevitable "That wasn't chicken" fortune cookie. Fried tofu is actually quite tasty when mixed in with that sort of cuisine.

I read about the phytoestrogens in Soya years ago. But nobody believes me when I tell them.

Is this that same phytoestrogen bullsh*t? Seriously?

Soy works in some things.

However, soy products are a horrible substitute for animal products, and you are a farking idiot if you're going to tell me that taste and texture are anywhere near the same (when compared to real milk, or real meat... and NOT processed/pressed pieces-parts).

TwistedIvory: phytoestrogen bullsh*t

Haven't you read the studies on why second generation asian americans are taller than their parents?

baka-san: Really, just all things in moderation.

I've no argument with that.
Now that I've re-read the article, they're really cherry-picking to find cases of bad-for-you soy:

- soy baby formula (as opposed to, say, breast feeding like nature intended)
- heavily processed soy derivatives
- genetically modified (GM) soy

All three of those are known to be problematic, regardless of whether you include the word "soy".
I bet cyanide-laced soy is bad for a person, too, but that's a function of the cyanide.

I don't know about the thyroid connection.
Given how bald I am, inhibition of testosterone ain't a worry.
I don't know about other facets of its effect on thyroid, and would like to know more.

Soy IS bad. That's why orientals are famous for dying early and overweight.

Alacritous: Haven't you read the studies on why second generation asian americans are taller than their parents?

And people seriously want to pin this on tofu? Not, y'know, better overall nutrition? Or maybe the preponderance of hormones in meat and dairy products?

I've read a fair but on tofu, soy, and phytoestrogens and I haven't seen anything that conclusively indicates that tofu causes either a drop in serum testosterone levels or an increase in serum estrogen levels.

Correction to headline: eating too much of overly-processed foods isn't healthy. And who didn't know that?

I'm going to keep drinking soy milk and eating tofu and edamame. Yum. I'm well under the 30 grams per day, anyway.

puffy999: Soy works in some things.

However, soy products are a horrible substitute for animal products, and you are a farking idiot if you're going to tell me that taste and texture are anywhere near the same (when compared to real milk, or real meat... and NOT processed/pressed pieces-parts).

Tofu is a good food that you can eat regardless of whether you eat meat or not. It isn't a meat substitute, but it is a meat alternative, or something to be eaten in addition to or with meat. One of my favourite foods mixes ground pork and tofu. I'm tired of people flogging this false dichotomy that you have to eat either meat or tofu. They're both delicious protein.

Granted, if you didn't grow up with it, it might be an acquired taste, but so are a lot of things.

Soy milk actually is a very good substitute for cow's milk if you're drinking it straight, mixing a smoothie or eating it with cereal, but again, it's not like you have to choose one or the other. Cow's milk and cow's products have specific uses (I wouldn't bake or make coffee with anything else) but there are health and environmental issues as well. For instance, a good % of the world's population can't digest cow's milk properly, and the ecological impact is greater (how much greater varies depending on where the soy came from - how far it's been transported, where it's growing and how it's grown) because of feed needed for animals, runoff from farms, etc. Almond milk and rice milk are good substitutes as well, probably better substitutes if you're worried about the estrogen issue.

So Beef attacks my colon while Soy attacks my balls? I'll stick with the Beef. It's the lesser of two evils.

Tr0mBoNe: So Beef attacks my colon while Soy attacks my balls? I'll stick with the Beef. It's the lesser of two evils.

I would say that too, but I already know I am something like really high risk for colon cancer, in that one grandfather had it at 45 and I'm pretty sure it's on the other side of the family too. So, since I already know mine's toast, pack it with meat?

GAT_00: I would say that too, but I already know I am something like really high risk for colon cancer, in that one grandfather had it at 45 and I'm pretty sure it's on the other side of the family too. So, since I already know mine's toast, pack it with meat?

And I just realized what I wrote at the bottom there. I usually catch stuff like that before I say/type it.

GAT_00: And I just realized what I wrote at the bottom there. I usually catch stuff like that before I say/type it.

Don't worry, it's not like there's anything wrong with packing your colon with meat.

(farkied)

GAT_00: GAT_00: I would say that too, but I already know I am something like really high risk for colon cancer, in that one grandfather had it at 45 and I'm pretty sure it's on the other side of the family too. So, since I already know mine's toast, pack it with meat?

And I just realized what I wrote at the bottom there. I usually catch stuff like that before I say/type it.

Yeah, pack it with meat... but get regular screenings. I'm the same way (maternal grandmother died at 55 from colon cancer) so I can't really go nuts with the hot beef injections.

I think it's good to know that there's a family history... there's no real reason to get screened without it.

/brb, smoke break then more binge drinking

flucto: GAT_00: And I just realized what I wrote at the bottom there. I usually catch stuff like that before I say/type it.

Don't worry, it's not like there's anything wrong with packing your colon with meat.

(farkied)

glad to know i'm not alone

flucto: (farkied)
Megain: glad to know i'm not alone

Yeah, but at least it's for something funny.

Tr0mBoNe: I think it's good to know that there's a family history... there's no real reason to get screened without it.

Yeah. I get to do the puppet show, and have to take it seriously.

GAT_00: GAT_00: I would say that too, but I already know I am something like really high risk for colon cancer, in that one grandfather had it at 45 and I'm pretty sure it's on the other side of the family too. So, since I already know mine's toast, pack it with meat?

And I just realized what I wrote at the bottom there. I usually catch stuff like that before I say/type it.

Is the use of "bottom" and "catch" in the followup intentional?

GAT_00: Yeah, but at least it's for something funny.

no disputing that. it amused me. i'd already had you farkied, but 'colon meat packer' is just funnier :-)

/cheers!

bobbette: Is the use of "bottom" and "catch" in the followup intentional?

Wow. I am having a *lisp*fabulous*lisp* day.

GAT_00: bobbette: Is the use of "bottom" and "catch" in the followup intentional?

Wow. I am having a *lisp*fabulous*lisp* day.

lmao

Bukharin: Soy IS bad. That's why orientals are famous for dying early and overweight being tiny and more inclined to become ladyboys.

T,FTFthe sake of reality. At least in Thailand. :p

Bukharin: Soy IS bad. That's why orientals are famous for dying early and overweight.

Those ornamentals healthy as shiat.

Experts claim soya foods might lower testosterone levels in men, hamper thyroid function, cause weight gain and disrupt hormones.


FINALLY a sound explanation that accounts for all those monstrously overweight vegetarians.

Hender: it avoids the inevitable "That wasn't chicken" fortune cookie.

Somewhere on planet Earth, there's some little kid who just blurted out THAT'S RACIST and has no idea why. And so the Force seeks blanace in the universe.

Alacritous: TwistedIvory: phytoestrogen bullsh*t

Haven't you read the studies on why second generation asian americans are taller than their parents?

As a second generation asian american who is taller than his parents and consumes copious amounts of tofu, I would just like to say bullshiat.

Balance even.

The point of life is to live as high on the food chain as possible.

I myself prefer to dine solely on the flesh of sentient beings.

Eating fermented tofu makes you a real man, though.

The article reads like one of those premade industry created news stories sent to news outlets.

No comment.

kabloink: The article reads like one of those premade industry created news stories sent to news outlets.

"Ease the menopause" gives it away as a Daily Mail original.

This is one of those threads where, if anyone replies to anything I say, I wont be able to find it, right?

Anyway, I just wanted to pop in and post this video of a chick that likes me, I mean, tofu

Kumana Wanalaia: I myself prefer to dine solely on the flesh of sentient beings.

Yes, but for purposes of energy transfer and due to the 10% rule (only about 10% of possible energy is transferred up each trophic level), it is beneficial for organisms high on the food chain to eat animals low on the food chain.

A tertiary consumer will get more energy eating a primary consumer than a secondary consumer. Basically, speaking, of course.

This is why, with the exception of some fish, the meat from herbivores tends to taste much better than that of carnivores. This is also why, if you ever have to resort to cannibalism, you would be best off eating the vegans and vegetarians first. :D

worldnutdaily had a 30 part series on how the increase in the consumption of soy directly lead to the increase in homosexuality. Something tells me this article isn't going to help that.

/already gay - loathes anything soy - not even with sushi
//so did my parents - meat and potatoes
///just like their parents
////just like their parents

millions of chinese agree.

holy too many commas in my post, batman.

/which is why I'm a biology teacher, not an english teacher
//I teach my students to eat vegetarians :D

bravian: /already gay - loathes anything soy - not even with sushi

Bigot!

bravian: /already gay - loathes anything soy - not even with sushi

Shame. Soy sauce is one of the best things ever! And miso is pretty good, too.

Actually, no, it's not a shame. It's good that you don't like it. More for me, then.

/I do hate tofu and soy milk and other similar things
//edamame are a great bar snack, though :D

mamoru: This is also why, if you ever have to resort to cannibalism, you would be best off eating the vegans and vegetarians first.

That depends. Vegans and vegetarians are less likely to want in on lunch when you're eating the other folks. More for you. Granted, the vegans/vegetarians might give up on their diet, or might lose more weight than if you'd killed them early.

mamoru: This is also why, if you ever have to resort to cannibalism, you would be best off eating the vegans and vegetarians first. :D

*SNORT!*

Subby really needs to meet my kung fu instructor. He lives on tofu ... and came back from China begging for a fight. He carries legal forms in the trunk of his car for people to sign, absolving him of any liability for the consequences. He starting doing that after people started challenging him at seminars. Or rather, challenging him with their mouths. He fights in an extremely low stance and got sick of people lecturing him that low stances don't work. Now he shows up with the legal forms and says "Put up or shut up". It remains to be seen who's right in that argument, because *nobody* has taken him up on the offer.

interesting article,
but I was much more interested in the story on the sidebar...

"The Shots of Kelly Brook 'spilling' out of a bikini".
or, the actual story headline:
"The Bikini Shots that put 'curvy' Kelly Brook on a diet".
all i can say is this:
she looks perfectly hawt in these pics. what's so wrong about being a little curvy? [*sigh*].

possibly NSFW pics in the article:
Link (new window)

clickity pops.

Relatively Obscure: mamoru: This is also why, if you ever have to resort to cannibalism, you would be best off eating the vegans and vegetarians first.

That depends. Vegans and vegetarians are less likely to want in on lunch when you're eating the other folks. More for you. Granted, the vegans/vegetarians might give up on their diet, or might lose more weight than if you'd killed them early.

On the other hand, I am veg and if it came to it on an abandoned island, I would eat the other people too. People can defend themselves, animals in a slaughterhouse can't.

Research at Edinburgh University into the effects of soya milk on young male monkeys found it interfered with testosterone levels, prompting concerns over fertility and disease in grown men.

Tiny Asian Penis explained at last...

/hot like Szechuan take-out

Relatively Obscure: That depends. Vegans and vegetarians are less likely to want in on lunch when you're eating the other folks. More for you. Granted, the vegans/vegetarians might give up on their diet, or might lose more weight than if you'd killed them early.

Yes, but you may have to eat up to 10x as much non-vegetarian to equal the nutrients and energy you'd get from a vegetarian (actual numbers would vary on how omnivorous your dinner was).

kryrinn: On the other hand, I am veg and if it came to it on an abandoned island, I would eat the other people too. People can defend themselves, animals in a slaughterhouse can't.

You know that, with few exceptions, edible plants can't defend themselves either, right? If that is your reasoning for being a vegetarian, it seems to me that you should only be eating large carnivores and humans which you kill with your own hands. :-/