Isn't criticizing the Beetles for the lack of sophistication in their music like criticizing the Wright Brothers for not having vector thrusting?

hey, submitter,

vygramul: Isn't criticizing the Beetles for the lack of sophistication in their music like criticizing the Wright Brothers for not having vector thrusting?

Dennis Miller? Is that you?

Yeah, because music can only be good if it is overly and annoyingly complicated.

Subby is either not a drummer, or a guerrila troll.
My guess is both. Not bad though

Brettster808: Yeah, because music can only be good if it is overly and annoyingly complicated.

On that note, Rush sucks.

SJKebab: Brettster808: Yeah, because music can only be good if it is overly and annoyingly complicated.

On that note, Rush sucks.

Emerson, Lake & Palmer sucks much worse

Making fun of the Beatles for being one of the most overrated bands is fine, and their music may have been simple and easy to play.

But I'll be damned if it wasn't some of the greatest music ever, and I guarantee with all the different diverse types of music out there now, you'll probably never find one that's going to be comparable. Or at least that so many different musical types can agree was, downright, just great music.

And look at my profile, it's not even the type of music I listen to. But I give credit where credit is due.

Meh, Ringo was adequate for the Beatles and good for his era.

SJKebab: Brettster808: Yeah, because music can only be good if it is overly and annoyingly complicated.

On that note, Rush sucks.

Rush does, indeed, suck - but that has nothing to do with complexity.

He was fine for their music. It's not like they needed Danny Carey.

That trollingly good headline had to have been crafted by a musician, for other musicians. Well done.

Yeah, he was good enough, but let's not fool ourselves here: he wasn't even the best drummer the Beatles ever had.

Nabb1: That trollingly good headline had to have been crafted by a musician, for other musicians. Well done.

Yeah, he was good enough, but let's not fool ourselves here: he wasn't even the best drummer the Beatles ever had.

well, andy white was probably more accomplished. but ringo, through his naivete, was more experimental, often accidentally so. some of my favorite drum fills of all time come from him.

FlashHarry: Nabb1: That trollingly good headline had to have been crafted by a musician, for other musicians. Well done.

Yeah, he was good enough, but let's not fool ourselves here: he wasn't even the best drummer the Beatles ever had.

well, andy white was probably more accomplished. but ringo, through his naivete, was more experimental, often accidentally so. some of my favorite drum fills of all time come from him.

I'm not saying he sucks. By analogy, Derek Jeter isn't the best shortstop on his own team, either. He certainly made a contribution to the Beatles.

dickkead: Making fun of the Beatles for being one of the most overrated bands is fine, and their music may have been simple and easy to play.

I don't know if you're a musician or not, but I consistantly find myself stunned at how easy the beatles musics seems to be to play, yet how difficult it actually is. Sure, there's plenty of harder stuff out there, but as far as deceptively difficult is concerned, they were masters.

/Big beatles fan - rubber soul onwards
//Currently big on Opeth, Mastodon, and Dave Weckl
///Not sure why I felt the need to add that, but there you go.

submitter is probably a Rush disciple. This is Fark after all.

/Ringo was fine

SJKebab: I don't know if you're a musician or not, but I consistantly find myself stunned at how easy the beatles musics seems to be to play, yet how difficult it actually is. Sure, there's plenty of harder stuff out there, but as far as deceptively difficult is concerned, they were masters.

THIS! And you don't know how good Ringo was until you try to audioedit a Beatles tune and realize how perfectly he moderated the tempo for the different sections of a song.

Plus, he picked the right guys to hang out with.

SJKebab: I don't know if you're a musician or not, but I consistantly find myself stunned at how easy the beatles musics seems to be to play, yet how difficult it actually is. Sure, there's plenty of harder stuff out there, but as far as deceptively difficult is concerned, they were masters.

I play six sting. I can play a few Beatles songs, never really tried to learn them though. But I can tell it's nothing that's going to be difficult as, say, any Eric Melvin solo.

But I give them credit regardless.

dickkead: Making fun of the Beatles for being one of the most overrated bands is fine..

Just want to thank you for being honest.

dickkead: Making fun of the Beatles for being one of the most overrated bands is fine, and their music may have been simple and easy to play.

Beatles music is a lot of things; "simple" and "easy to play" are not among those things.

It don't come easy eh Ringo?

SJKEBAB

you're missing an awful lot of great music if you only
listen to Rubber Soul and after

It's possible to like both Rush and The Beatles.

Some of you narrow-minded jackasses should read that again.

Ringo was responsible for a rock drumming innovation. He was the first drummer to put deadening material in his bass drum & to individually mike each drum. He tuned his drums lower too, to get a specific sound he wanted. Ask any drummer what they think of Ringo - he wasn't flashy, but technically great - he "felt" the music.

Also, he was recruited by the Beatles because he was far & away the best local drummer at the time, in a city full of bands.

MmmBadEggs: It's possible to like both Rush and The Beatles.

If you're really crazy, it's possible to like Rush, The Beatles, The Clash, Bjork, AND Herb Alpert.

\Warning: Whiplash likely when listening to my iPod on shuffle mode.

I agree hey subby


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Hey! You leave overly minimal, overly-simplistic beats alone!



You can pick on the Beatles though. I don't care. :p

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: SJKEBAB

you're missing an awful lot of great music if you only
listen to Rubber Soul and after

Oops got my chronology wrong. Confused rubber soul and hard days night. In my defence, its nearly 5:30 in the morning here and I don't know why I'm still awake.

Ringo is my favorite Beatle. That being said, I'm not really a Beatles fan. He just seems the least douchey.

The Beatles were a pop band. Possibly the best pop band EVAR...but a pop band, nevertheless. Minimal, relatively simplistic percussion is exactly what good pop music should have.

*holds junk in hand*

Hey subby, here ya go. Right here. Just for you.

Listen to the changes in Ticket to Ride and I Feel Fine.Impressive.

Flashy is one thing but a solid beat is what drumming is all about.

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Ringo is my favorite Beatle. That being said, I'm not really a Beatles fan. He just seems the least douchey.

There is a 50% chance you may be right.

SoothinglyDeranged: dickkead: Making fun of the Beatles for being one of the most overrated bands is fine..

Just want to thank you for being honest.

Overrated: to rate or appraise too highly; overestimate.

You're are overrated when you don't have the hardware to back it up.
So let's see....hmmmmm if you're favorite band that you think is not overrated sold, say 75 million more albums, they would probably be over 50 million behind a band that was officially together for about 8 years. According to Wikipedia only the Beatles and Elvis have sold over a billion records worldwide. If you look at only RIAA, the Beatles have sold over 170 million units (only 42 million in front of Garth Brooks) but 58 + million in front of Led Zep and wait for it.....only 104 million in front of The Rolling Stones.

You know it's a damn shame that Ringo was such a crappy drummer, I mean if he would have been any good, The Beatles may have sold 100 million more records than your favorite band.

Hempmonkey: only 104 million in front of The Rolling Stones.

Don't even get me started on the suckitude that is The Rolling Stones.

Ringo was/is held in pretty high esteem by his contemporaries, including Charlie Watts & Keith Moon. Max Weinberg & Dave Grohl also have praised him.

& he was good enough to play on the other 3 ex-Beatles solo records, when they could have picked anybody & drummers would have killed to get those gigs.

Listen to the "Love" cd. Many of those tracks bring out his drums parts very well.

By analogy, Derek Jeter isn't the best shortstop on his own team, either. He certainly made a contribution to the Beatles.

Derek Jeter wrote "Strawberry Fields Forever."

What I don't understand is ... if everyone sez that Ringo was an adequate drummer ... then why did McCartney play almost all of the drum parts on the records once they stopped touring?

Hmmmm?

By analogy, Derek Jeter isn't the best shortstop on his own team, either. He certainly made a contribution to the Beatles.

Derek Jeter was the one who suggested the rooftop concert.

vygramul: Isn't criticizing the Beetles for the lack of sophistication in their music like criticizing the Wright Brothers for not having vector thrusting?

There was no sophisticated music before The Beatles?

Hempmonkey: (only 42 million in front of Garth Brooks)

Garth Brooks has sold 128 million???? Who the fark???

_{I looked up the list. Kenny G with 48 million? fark this I'm going to bed or else I'm going to have to get drunk.}

dickkead
Making fun of the Beatles for being one of the most overrated bands is fine, and their music may have been simple and easy to play.

But I'll be damned if it wasn't some of the greatest music ever, and I guarantee with all the different diverse types of music out there now, you'll probably never find one that's going to be comparable. Or at least that so many different musical types can agree was, downright, just great music.

And look at my profile, it's not even the type of music I listen to. But I give credit where credit is due.

Well said. Dissing the Beatles just comes off ignorant to me. They are not my favorite band, but I do like them. But as a music fan, you have got to give them respect and credit. Their influence is monumental.

Basically, when people diss the Beatles I just assume they don't really give a sh*t about music. Or think they are cool for trashing them.


Kyosuke
MmmBadEggs: It's possible to like both Rush and The Beatles.

If you're really crazy, it's possible to like Rush, The Beatles, The Clash, Bjork, AND Herb Alpert.

\Warning: Whiplash likely when listening to my iPod on shuffle mode.

This. My favorite genre of music is good (IMHO). The other day my iPod went from White Zombie to George Winston.

/favorites in profile
//excellent troll headline, subby

Ringo bashing just blows me away. The man played EXACTLY what each song needed, nothing more, nothing less. More importantly, he had the personality and humor to BE a Beatle. Watch the movies. Think of someone other than Ringo being there. Doesn't work. One of the reasons they brought him in the band was "star power". He was among the best drummers in town, but he also played in a band that drew crowds because of their showmanship and personalities.

/end of rant
//subby indeed trolled
///not as bad as last week, but troll headlines = greenlight

Wrackspurt: The Beatles were a pop band.

Wrong, but thanks for playing.

dickkead: Hempmonkey: only 104 million in front of The Rolling Stones.

Don't even get me started on the suckitude that is The Rolling Stones.

Easy there, buddy. Until 1972 they are gold. And they've been pretty good ever since, with varying degrees of "millionaire's complacency vs. need to prove something to this generation's upstarts".

Listen to "A Bigger Bang". There is no way in HELL that retirees should be able to play with that much power and energy.

/a testament to their passion for the music
//still misses Brian Jones

AdolfOliverPanties:

Derek Jeter wrote "Darryl Strawberry Fields Forever."

/FTFY
//worst FTFY evar

HappyHarryHardOn: SJKebab: Brettster808: Yeah, because music can only be good if it is overly and annoyingly complicated.

On that note, Rush sucks.

Emerson, Lake & Palmer sucks much worse

I like The Beatles, Rush, and ELP. Hell I even like The White Stripes (though I do admit I prefer The Raconteurs).

There's room for all types of drummers

you talkin to me? i know you're not talkin to me....

Hey subby. Fark you.

I wonder how many drummers there are commenting in this thread? Not that non-drummers opinions don't count, but I do think those that play might actually understand what subby was going for in his headline - However snarky that headline may be...