They really need to revise national election law.
If a result is with the statistical error margin then there needs to be a runoff election.

dillenger69: If a result is with the statistical error margin then there needs to be a runoff election.

Pistols at dawn.

ninjakirby: Pistols at dawn.

Or a walk off:

Oh farking bouncing baby Buddha!

Say what you will about Coleman, you gotta admit, the man can throw an impressive tantrum.

This stopped being about winning a while back, now he's just trying to punish Franklin for beating him.

dillenger69: They really need to revise national election law.
If a result is with the statistical error margin then there needs to be a runoff election.

You realise that statstical margins of error don't apply to areas where you aren't using sampling. If you count everyone, then there is no "margin of error"

DuncanMhor: dillenger69: They really need to revise national election law.
If a result is with the statistical error margin then there needs to be a runoff election.

You realise that statstical margins of error don't apply to areas where you aren't using sampling. If you count everyone, then there is no "margin of error"

That's true, but there is a notion of "True error rate." That is, even though everyone is being counted, there is a natural rate of error in the final sum, due to faulty equipment, human errors, etc.

Not that any of that excuses Coleman at this point, he's just being (is?) a douche.

The Republicans are REALLY terrified of a filibuster-proof majority, no?

dillenger69: They really need to revise national election law.
If a result is with the statistical error margin then there needs to be a runoff election.

Margin of error with that large of sample would be about 10 votes. They need to allow ONE recount and decide after that the election stands. Minnesota almost has as little voice in the Senate as DC.

This is just another repub attempt at surpressing voter will by keeping out a democratically elected senator out of office. They know that allowing franken to be seated, that will give the dems the 49th dem senator, and they are scared S**tless....The repubs will try to keep this going for as long as possible.. maybe even into the 2010 elections...I feel sorry for the people of minnesota for being denied their 2nd constitutionally guaranteed senator...

ajs1980: This is just another repub attempt at surpressing voter will by keeping out a democratically elected senator out of office. They know that allowing franken to be seated, that will give the dems the 49th dem senator, and they are scared S**tless....The repubs will try to keep this going for as long as possible.. maybe even into the 2010 elections...I feel sorry for the people of minnesota for being denied their 2nd constitutionally guaranteed senator...

I think Franken will be a horrible Senator, but Coleman should never again be allowed to hold elected office again. His douchebaggery knows no bounds. If I were in the RNC I would have disavowed this creep a while back.

Stopheles: The Republicans are REALLY terrified of a filibuster-proof majority, no?

Funny thing is, the Senate doesn't even need it anymore. Obama has thrown down the gauntlet and told the Republicans that if they don't start offering something constructive by October, it's reconciliation all the way. These nitwits have overplayed their hand -again- and now they're going to be cut out entirely.

Hope those tantrums were worth it.

Carth: dillenger69: They really need to revise national election law.
If a result is with the statistical error margin then there needs to be a runoff election.

Margin of error with that large of sample would be about 10 votes. They need to allow ONE recount and decide after that the election stands. Minnesota almost has as little voice in the Senate as DC.

The number of recounts in the Minnesota Senate Race: 1

Number of Reps from DC in the Senate:0

Mr. Anon: Carth: dillenger69: They really need to revise national election law.
If a result is with the statistical error margin then there needs to be a runoff election.

Margin of error with that large of sample would be about 10 votes. They need to allow ONE recount and decide after that the election stands. Minnesota almost has as little voice in the Senate as DC.

The number of recounts in the Minnesota Senate Race: 1

Number of Reps from DC in the Senate:0

I should have been more clear. Once the vote was certified it should have been over (around Jan 10th or something?).

Every other state has 2 senators MN has 1. They have one less than everyone else and DC only has one less than them. If i were a MN voted I'd be pissed at these shenanigans.

Carth: dillenger69: Margin of error with that large of sample would be about 10 votes. They need to allow ONE recount and decide after that the election stands. Minnesota almost has as little voice in the Senate as DC.

Math is hard!

Minnesota = Currently, 8 Representatives and 1 Senator.

DC= Currently, one non-voting delegate and 0 senators.

Pardon me for carrying a chip on my shoulder, but you have 9 times as many warm bodies and infinity times as much voting power.farking Wyoming has fewer people then us and still gets 2 senators and an At Large rep. Of course, Wyoming is filled with White People and gave us Dick Cheney so they probably earned it.

/slaves built your capitol and their descendants deserve a vote

Stopheles: The Republicans are REALLY terrified of a filibuster-proof majority, no?

Not really. Not when you have Evan Bayh and Ben Nelson with a "D" next to their name.

/that said Norm is a douche

NRkeyQueer: Pardon me for carrying a chip on my shoulder, but you have 9 times as many warm bodies and infinity times as much voting power.farking Wyoming has fewer people then us and still gets 2 senators and an At Large rep. Of course, Wyoming is filled with White People and gave us Dick Cheney so they probably earned it.

/slaves built your capitol and their descendants deserve a vote

... you're suggesting Washington has earned something? For what, exactly? Being a de facto Federally subsidized slum? Home to our esteemed representatives and their innumerable lobbyist and staffers?

NRkeyQueer: Carth: dillenger69: Margin of error with that large of sample would be about 10 votes. They need to allow ONE recount and decide after that the election stands. Minnesota almost has as little voice in the Senate as DC.

Math is hard!

Minnesota = Currently, 8 Representatives and 1 Senator.

DC= Currently, one non-voting delegate and 0 senators.

Pardon me for carrying a chip on my shoulder, but you have 9 times as many warm bodies and infinity times as much voting power.farking Wyoming has fewer people then us and still gets 2 senators and an At Large rep. Of course, Wyoming is filled with White People and gave us Dick Cheney so they probably earned it.

/slaves built your capitol and their descendants deserve a vote

Then maybe they should move somewhere that is constitutionally allowed one.

NRkeyQueer: Minnesota almost has as little voice in the Senate as DC.

Math is hard!

Minnesota = Currently, 8 Representatives and 1 Senator.

DC= Currently, one non-voting delegate and 0 senators.



Apparently reading is as hard as math. I never mentioned the House.

You have less representation in the Senate than any state in the country because of these lawsuits. But I guess if most MN residents don't care I shouldn't either. I vote in VA anyways.

Blah sorry NRkeyQueer in my formatting i deleted my name from the quote block.

I imagine that when Senator Al Franken finally gets to walk into the Senate, Coleman will be there, wrapped around Al's legs, trying to keep him from walking.

At what point can some pissed-off MN resident file a federal lawsuit against Coleman for denying them the representation in the Senate to which they are constitutionally entitled?

globalwarmingpraiser: I think Franken will be a horrible Senator,

I'm truly curious, why do you think that Franken will be a horrible senator - given the consideration of some of the really bad senators we have?

Mentat: Stopheles: The Republicans are REALLY terrified of a filibuster-proof majority, no?

Funny thing is, the Senate doesn't even need it anymore. Obama has thrown down the gauntlet and told the Republicans that if they don't start offering something constructive by October, it's reconciliation all the way. These nitwits have overplayed their hand -again- and now they're going to be cut out entirely.

Hope those tantrums were worth it.

That's not going to be a good thing, if all of a sudden the country stays on the right track or gets worse. All the Republicans would have to do is say "Hey, we tried to help, but your god-king over here didn't want it". If the country prospers once again (which I believe it will [with our without Obama's help]) then the GOP is super screwed.

YonderScott: Not really. Not when you have Evan Bayh and Ben Nelson with a "D" next to their name.

Again, Obama is going to cut Ben Nelson's balls off with reconciliation.

The Billdozer: That's not going to be a good thing, if all of a sudden the country stays on the right track or gets worse. All the Republicans would have to do is say "Hey, we tried to help, but your god-king over here didn't want it". If the country prospers once again (which I believe it will [with our without Obama's help]) then the GOP is super screwed.

That's the risk you take any time you try to advance your agenda. The alternative is to never take a stand and always govern with your finger in the air. Obama gave the Republicans a chance to participate and they refused, so now he's taking complete ownership of the situation. That was probably his plan all along because he knew the GOP was going to do their best Wile E. Coyote impression.

This is where the Republican teabaggers start protesting the waste of taxpayer money, right?

Fiscal conservatism for the win!

Random Reality Check: globalwarmingpraiser: I think Franken will be a horrible Senator,

I'm truly curious, why do you think that Franken will be a horrible senator - given the consideration of some of the really bad senators we have?

His idea's have moved farther left. But you make a good point, we have some really crappy senators, starting with Durbin, Specter, and McConnell. McConnell is not working for Kentucky, but for the RNC. Specter doesn't have a principle in his body, and Durbin is just a douche. If Illinois had a finctional Republican party and Bush hadn't completely trashed the Republican Brand, then Durbin would have been out. Of course now that Blago is outed the Republicans have a chance in Illinois again.

God's Hubris: This is where the Republican teabaggers start protesting the waste of taxpayer money, right?

Fiscal conservatism for the win!

I know I am a Libertarian but a lot of you Farkers consider Libertarians to be Republicans, so don't I count. I think all that ios included in Coleman is a douche.

This is why we need instant runoff voting:

FairVote Minnesota (new window)


Just think, more third party candidates and less contested elections.

Objections?

Jesus, I hope the SCOM castrates that son of a biatch for dragging out this shiat.

globalwarmingpraiser: Republicans have a chance in Illinois again

No they don't. Since 2002, there has been 1 Republican elected to a statewide office in Illinois. The Republican party is basically dead in the state.

Chuck Wagon: globalwarmingpraiser: Republicans have a chance in Illinois again

No they don't. Since 2002, there has been 1 Republican elected to a statewide office in Illinois. The Republican party is basically dead in the state.

BLago changed this. Ryan killed the Party, and Blago resurrected. That said, the Illinois Republicans will kill it again.

globalwarmingpraiser: I think Franken will be a horrible Senator

Franken will be at least a pretty good senator, if not a great senator. You want truly crappy senators you have to go to the other side , the Dark Side if yo will. Here are some truly epic bad senators, and there are others if you insist

DrD'isInfotainment: globalwarmingpraiser: I think Franken will be a horrible Senator

Franken will be at least a pretty good senator, if not a great senator. You want truly crappy senators you have to go to the other side , the Dark Side if yo will. Here are some truly epic bad senators, and there are others if you insist

See, thats the problem. Everyone want's to pick on the otherside. There is plenty of FAIL on both sides. Not saying your wrong, just need to realize the FAIL TRAIN stops everywhere.

NRkeyQueer: Pardon me for carrying a chip on my shoulder, but you have 9 times as many warm bodies and infinity times as much voting power.farking Wyoming has fewer people then us and still gets 2 senators and an At Large rep. Of course, Wyoming is filled with White People and gave us Dick Cheney so they probably earned it.

Sing it, my brother. Not a fan of DC statehood; more a fan of making DC like the Vatican (only official residents are Pres, VP, families) and having Maryland take back the land and the population.

globalwarmingpraiser: Chuck Wagon: globalwarmingpraiser: Republicans have a chance in Illinois again

No they don't. Since 2002, there has been 1 Republican elected to a statewide office in Illinois. The Republican party is basically dead in the state.

BLago changed this. Ryan killed the Party, and Blago resurrected. That said, the Illinois Republicans will kill it again.

Doubtful. Even before the wiretaps came out, Blago had virtually no support from his own party. The biggest pushers for impeachment came from Democrats. He has had virtually no defenders. I think most people here view him as a dirty politician, not a dirty democrat.

Todd Stroger is likely to have a much bigger impact for Republicans than Blago. Even though he is not in a statewide office, Cook County is basically half the state. Todd Stroger is widely hated for many reasons, only got into office because of his corrupt father, and is also embroiled in several scandals. The thing is though, he has support from other members of the Democratic party.

If the Republican Party is going to have any resurgence in Illinois, it will be because of Stroger, not Blago. But I don't think its enough for any real gains. Other than Paul Kirk, there are virtually no prominent Illinois Republicans that are electable. The most prominent Illinois Republican is Jim Oberwies, and he is an unelectable racist.

But enough about Illinois, this article is about Minnesota.

DrD'isInfotainment: globalwarmingpraiser: I think Franken will be a horrible Senator

Franken will be at least a pretty good senator, if not a great senator. You want truly crappy senators you have to go to the other side , the Dark Side if yo will. Here are some truly epic bad senators, and there are others if you insist

Inhofe is my senator, and he is an evil dickwad douchebag of a coont smear. He can eat a bowl of dick followed by a bowl of shiat. I hope he burns in the worst level of hell. fark this prick.
/did I mention that I don't like him?

More Epicly BAD senators

Want more?

GWSuperfan: At what point can some pissed-off MN resident file a federal lawsuit against Coleman for denying them the representation in the Senate to which they are constitutionally entitled?

I'm suprised that no one has done this yet.

Cubic Zirconium Jim Brady: /did I mention that I don't like him?

I feel like you are blocking, like you are not emoting as one should here on Fark. You should not fear your emotions, my friend. Let it out brother, let it out...

In other news, D's kept the 20th in NY as their own.

Cubic Zirconium Jim Brady: DrD'isInfotainment: globalwarmingpraiser: I think Franken will be a horrible Senator

Franken will be at least a pretty good senator, if not a great senator. You want truly crappy senators you have to go to the other side , the Dark Side if yo will. Here are some truly epic bad senators, and there are others if you insist

Inhofe is my senator, and he is an evil dickwad douchebag of a coont smear. He can eat a bowl of dick followed by a bowl of shiat. I hope he burns in the worst level of hell. fark this prick.
/did I mention that I don't like him?

THAT's quite a vote of confidence... for your OTHER Senator

globalwarmingpraiser: BLago changed this. Ryan killed the Party, and Blago resurrected. That said, the Illinois Republicans will kill it again.

Hardly. It seems counterintuitive, but Blago is so insanely corrupt that the Democrats seem to have skated the controversy. People just assume that he's so crazy that it wouldn't matter which party he belonged to, he'd still be doing the same crap. Plus, given that both parties haven't had much luck staying clean in Chicago, I think people just chalk it up to Illinois politics and move on with their lives.

Mentat: It seems counterintuitive, but Blago is so insanely corrupt that the Democrats seem to have skated the controversy.

It seemed to me that the further into the crazy Blago went, the more both parties could stand aside and wonder "WTF?". I think it is also that Blago was not very close with the state legislature regardless of party, yes?

ajs1980: This is just another repub attempt at surpressing voter will by keeping out a democratically elected senator out of office. They know that allowing franken to be seated, that will give the dems the 49th dem senator, and they are scared S**tless....The repubs will try to keep this going for as long as possible.. maybe even into the 2010 elections...I feel sorry for the people of minnesota for being denied their 2nd constitutionally guaranteed senator...

And what's even funnier is how the GOP are now seeking to eliminate any chance they have of keeping moderates in their party too. If Arlen Specter loses to Pat Toomey in the PA primary, they GOP can kiss Pennsylvania goodbye for good in 2010.



And the Loony Lite-Libertarians have nobody to blame but themselves.

dillenger69: They really need to revise national election law.
If a result is with the statistical error margin then there needs to be a runoff election.

No. A runoff is for when neither of the top two vote-getters has a majority. If it's simply a very close election, that does not equal "Nobody won." You can't just throw out the results merely because the vote-counters are incompetent. What's needed is a much more foolproof method both of determining who's entitled to vote and of recording the votes they cast. And that means a permanent record in the form of a paper trail, among other things.

Cubic Zirconium Jim Brady: DrD'isInfotainment: globalwarmingpraiser: I think Franken will be a horrible Senator

Franken will be at least a pretty good senator, if not a great senator. You want truly crappy senators you have to go to the other side , the Dark Side if yo will. Here are some truly epic bad senators, and there are others if you insist

Inhofe is my senator, and he is an evil dickwad douchebag of a coont smear. He can eat a bowl of dick followed by a bowl of shiat. I hope he burns in the worst level of hell. fark this prick.
/did I mention that I don't like him?

I like you.

/fellow Inhofe-hating Okie

Even the dems had the sense to concede to Bush. I don't know why the Coleman camp can't accept that their a$$es are beat.

Ex Parte Gilligan: Mentat: It seems counterintuitive, but Blago is so insanely corrupt that the Democrats seem to have skated the controversy.

It seemed to me that the further into the crazy Blago went, the more both parties could stand aside and wonder "WTF?". I think it is also that Blago was not very close with the state legislature regardless of party, yes?

Blago was not very close with not just the media, the legislature, the people who worked for him, or pretty much anyone else. Even before all the shiat hit the fan, some polls had his aproval rating was under 5%. I found this article saying it was 13% just before his arrest. Link (new window)

But isn't this thread about MN?

Jackpot777: And what's even funnier is how the GOP are now seeking to eliminate any chance they have of keeping moderates in their party too. If Arlen Specter loses to Pat Toomey in the PA primary, they GOP can kiss Pennsylvania goodbye for good in 2010.

Perhaps, but do you or does anyone else REALLY think the R's will let this happen?