This really is a good thing, but now he needs to go the next step and end the trade war he started with Mexico in the middle of a farking recession. That was Bush-level stupid.

filth: This really is a good thing, but now he needs to go the next step and end the trade war he started with Mexico in the middle of a farking recession. That was Bush-level stupid.

I like to think of it as Smoot-Hawley-level stupid.

Glad to see he reconsidered that one. It wasn't going anywhere good, certainly not in this economic climate.

Shostie: filth: This really is a good thing, but now he needs to go the next step and end the trade war he started with Mexico in the middle of a farking recession. That was Bush-level stupid.

I like to think of it as Smoot-Hawley-level stupid.

Maybe not quite on that level. I went with Bush because I was thinking about the imbecile steel tariffs that jackass whipped out in his first 100 days.

09/08 changed everything

Never cared. Don't know enough about Nafta either way to be for or against it.

So, as I understand it, he's not going to renegotiate NAFTA?

If so, good.

absoluteparanoia: Never cared. Don't know enough about Nafta either way to be for or against it.

Bold admission in a Fark politics thread. Some might call it a sign of weakness. I admire your candor, but we are now going to throw dice to see who gets to keep your ears as a trophy.

Oh, wait, this is a business thread. You got lucky. Very lucky.

Backing off on NAFTA, and a 180 on the asinine "assault weapons" idea...Now if we can just get him to rethink spending my great grand children's money today attempting to bail out failed business models and a a few other nips and tucks, he'll almost be on the right track!

Nabb1: absoluteparanoia: Never cared. Don't know enough about Nafta either way to be for or against it.

Bold admission in a Fark politics thread. Some might call it a sign of weakness. I admire your candor, but we are now going to throw dice to see who gets to keep your ears as a trophy.

Oh, wait, this is a business thread. You got lucky. Very lucky.

See, there's a lot of stuff that I don't feel qualified to voice an opinion on either, so I don't have a problem with that. On the other hand... well, I wouldn't say I have a problem with it exactly, but it does strike me as a little weird that he came in to say that and only that. No joke or anything, just "hi, I know nothing about this. kbai."

God... it's almost as if... as if... AS IF "LEFT" AND "RIGHT" WAS ALL A DISTRACTION AND EVERY PRESIDENT FOR THE LAST 28 YEARS HAS PUSHED THE SAME AGENDA....

absoluteparanoia: Never cared. Don't know enough about Nafta either way to be for or against it.

Ross Perot has some pie charts that explain it quite well.

CheekyMunky: See, there's a lot of stuff that I don't feel qualified to voice an opinion on either, so I don't have a problem with that. On the other hand... well, I wouldn't say I have a problem with it exactly, but it does strike me as a little weird that he came in to say that and only that. No joke or anything, just "hi, I know nothing about this. kbai."

I was just kidding. I have no problems admitting I lack sufficient knowledge on a particular topic. I did the same thing yesterday regarding the torture memos. There are, however, many, many folks who passionately, brazenly, aggressively argue right out of their asses.

FLIP FLOPPER!

Dancin_In_Anson: Backing off on NAFTA, and a 180 on the asinine "assault weapons" idea...Now if we can just get him to rethink spending my great grand children's money today attempting to bail out failed business models and a a few other nips and tucks, he'll almost be on the right track!

Or, you're never going to be happy no matter what, even if you have to keep moving the goalposts to do it. The amount of biatching you've done about spending has increased at least 10 fold since Obama took office.

If the reports that his campaign staff called the Canadian embassy to explain that the NAFTA rhetoric was for the sake of domestic politics are to be believed, he never really intended to do that anyway.

GAT_00: The amount of biatching you've done about spending has increased at least 10 fold since Obama took office.

I think perhaps your sensitivity to people biatching about spending has increased at least ten-fold since Obama took office. I'm fairly certain he was railing about it before, because he was one of the few right-leaning folks around here who would openly decry Bush's spending. Same with me. Especially in '04 when we were responding to demands to raise taxes by urging a curbing of out of control spending. If anything it's the "REPUBLICANS ARE SPENDING OUR GRANDCHILDREN'S FUTURES" crowd that has gone strangely quiet.

Nabb1: If anything it's the "REPUBLICANS ARE SPENDING OUR GRANDCHILDREN'S FUTURES" crowd that has gone strangely quiet.

I would think this is because the Republicans aren't actually doing much spending now.

GAT_00: Or, you're never going to be happy no matter what,

Actually, this does make me happy.

Nabb1: I think perhaps your sensitivity to people biatching about spending has increased at least ten-fold since Obama took office.

Gee...ya think?

thank god. this and the NASA thing were about the only two things I completely disagreed with Obama about.

NAFTA is good and should stay.

Ryan2065: Nabb1: If anything it's the "REPUBLICANS ARE SPENDING OUR GRANDCHILDREN'S FUTURES" crowd that has gone strangely quiet.

I would think this is because the Republicans aren't actually doing much spending now.

Touche. And I think a very precise explanation, as well.

Dancin_In_Anson: Nabb1: I think perhaps your sensitivity to people biatching about spending has increased at least ten-fold since Obama took office.

Gee...ya think?

Not to mention that his stalking you in every thread is alternately creepy and boring. I think he secretly likes you, which is why he punches you in the arm on the playground.

filth: Not to mention that his stalking you in every thread is alternately creepy and boring. I think he secretly likes you, which is why he punches you in the arm on the playground.

He needs to take a number...Over the past 6 years, I have gathered up quite the following.

Katie98_KT: thank god. this and the NASA thing were about the only two things I completely disagreed with Obama about.

NAFTA is good and should stay.

Yes, but NAFTA pisses off the the Democrats in the Midwest, and he had to say something to them, didn't he?

Same with gun control on the coasts. I figured he'd buckle on those, and fast.

If he buckles on entitlement reform, THEN I'll be disappointed he broke a promise.

Gee, he recognized that the second he moved to renegotiate NAFTA, America would be cut off from its single largest source of petroleum, and wouldn't be seeing another drop of it until the treaty was renegotiated? That was awfully big of him.

Nabb1: Touche. And I think a very precise explanation, as well.

You do realize you're a douche, right?

Nabb1: Touche. And I think a very precise explanation, as well.

Eh, perhaps. There have also been changes in the economy and the type of spending done so either of those could be valid reasons for the people changing their tune.

James F. Campbell: Nabb1: Touche. And I think a very precise explanation, as well.

You do realize you're a douche, right?

Thanks for your input! I hadn't considered the possibility that I am a douche, and how my douche-osity bears on the issues at hand, but I do thank you for that much needed addition of your own perspective, and feel like you have added a freshness to what until now had been a rather stale conversation. That's just pure genius!

f*ck Canada

i personally love how a company can pack up their factory operations and move to mexico and pay a fraction of the price in labor and workers benefits. i love the lack of pensions and labor regulations too. not to mention the fantastic amount of polluting they are allowed to do down there. its a win-win, really. besides, they are all brown down there, it doesn't matter as much.

bales: i personally love how a company can pack up their factory operations and move to mexico and pay a fraction of the price in labor and workers benefits. i love the lack of pensions and labor regulations too. not to mention the fantastic amount of polluting they are allowed to do down there. its a win-win, really. besides, they are all brown down there, it doesn't matter as much.

Moving factories to Mexico is one way to help the illegal immigrant problem. If we just move the jobs to them, they won't have to come here to get them.

HotLonelyTeenageGirl: God... it's almost as if... as if... AS IF "LEFT" AND "RIGHT" WAS ALL A DISTRACTION AND EVERY PRESIDENT FOR THE LAST 28 YEARS HAS PUSHED THE SAME AGENDA....

Aside from the stem cell ban, the environmental policy changes, the torture policy changes, closing Gitmo, etc...

Yes, you're correct - they're all the same.

There's a renegotiation process built in to the agreement.

Ryan2065:
Moving factories to Mexico is one way to help the illegal immigrant problem. If we just move the jobs to them, they won't have to come here to get them.

Do the work over there so we don't have to do it over here? now that's something I can get behind!

Headso: Ryan2065:
Moving factories to Mexico is one way to help the illegal immigrant problem. If we just move the jobs to them, they won't have to come here to get them.

Do the work over there so we don't have to do it over here? now that's something I can get behind!

That's why I'm moving my lawn to Mexico.

Katie98_KT: this and the NASA thing

What NASA thing? Delaying the moon to Mars thing?

Good. We should work turn the US and Canada into complete free trade zones with coordinated security and immigration policies and procedures.

OMG!111!!!!! Giant sucking sounds approaching!!!

/Not really.
//Good move, Obama.

North American Free Trade Agreement or NAMBLA.

Good for Obama +1!!

now if he would hire new PR people for international relations and stop throwing money at failed business we could really start rocking and rolling

Nafta...isn't that so we can send more jobs to Mexico?

Meh... NAFTA is a good and necessary thing between Canada and the US, but with Mexico into the mix it's harmful to all three countries. We should be encouraging fair trade with Mexico and helping to mobilize Mexican organized labor, not using Mexico as a source of cheap, abusable labor.

GAT_00: The amount of biatching you've done about spending has increased at least 10 fold since Obama took office.

Oddly enough, so has government spending.

zuce: North American Free Trade Agreement or NAMBLA.

The North American Manufacturing, Business, and Labor Agreement has been unfairly maligned in the press.

filth: end the trade war he started with Mexico in the middle of a farking recession. That was Bush-level stupid.

Wouldn't that mean hundreds of Mexican 18 wheelers on our highways?

/Just sayin'

Hogwash. (new window) WSJ is garbage.

You can't backtrack from a manufactured story to begin with.

Lando Lincoln: the environmental policy changes

What environmental policy changes?

It'd be nice if he and the dems could let go of the teamster's cock for a few minutes and actually follow the trade deal in place to allow the mexican truckers in.

DarnoKonrad: Hogwash. (new window) WSJ is garbage.

You can't backtrack from a manufactured story to begin with.

Ruh? You're telling me I didn't hear Obama, himself, claim such actions during the primary races in the rust belt states?

Surely you jest?